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November 5, 2009 12:31:51 AM

I know there are a few P55 (Asus) USB3.0 enabled boards but wait for more to come out and then buy. It will be well worth it as this will TRULY be future proof.... If possible get the X58 boards as they will also be Corei9 compatible most likely.....

More proof and reasons to wait just a few months to build your new or next system....

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/superspeed-usb-3.0-rai...
a b V Motherboard
November 5, 2009 12:37:39 AM

Too few boards are putting it in there and limiting your options to just 1 ASUS board isn't a good idea.

Intel is supposedly holding back on releasing USB 3.0 until either late next year or even 2011.

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a c 135 V Motherboard
November 5, 2009 5:41:40 AM

Well the word "Future proof" is actually a dead word IMO because every day something new comes out and so if you want to wait for something you can' buy anything
a b V Motherboard
November 5, 2009 12:36:37 PM

liquidsnake718 said:
I know there are a few P55 (Asus) USB3.0 enabled boards but wait for more to come out and then buy. It will be well worth it as this will TRULY be future proof.... If possible get the X58 boards as they will also be Corei9 compatible most likely.....

More proof and reasons to wait just a few months to build your new or next system....

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/superspeed-usb-3.0-rai...


Oh yeah, I would definetly wait on building anything new just to get USB 3 :sarcastic: 
November 5, 2009 7:05:37 PM

Meh... as far as SATA 3 and USB 3 are concerned:

1) You can always buy an expansion card later
2) eSATA can be used in substitute of USB 3.0 right now (just may not be hot-swappable)
3) SSDs are really the only things which will fully utilize the speed, and they aren't cheap enough or fast enough to justify waiting
4) CAT 6 cable + Gigabit routers are the way to go for fast home-networking
5) Did I mention you can just buy an expansion card when the time comes?
November 11, 2009 3:46:43 AM

nofun said:
Meh... as far as SATA 3 and USB 3 are concerned:

1) You can always buy an expansion card later
2) eSATA can be used in substitute of USB 3.0 right now (just may not be hot-swappable)
3) SSDs are really the only things which will fully utilize the speed, and they aren't cheap enough or fast enough to justify waiting
4) CAT 6 cable + Gigabit routers are the way to go for fast home-networking
5) Did I mention you can just buy an expansion card when the time comes?



Yes you can get the ASUS and ECS expansion cards but the trick is.... these motherboards from Asus are already coming out very soon, by December we should see them on shelves and then we can have the OPTION to also buy the usb 3.0 expansion cards for the PCIe to have even more thus making your X58 or P55 usable until USB3.0 is the norm or standard which will be in about 2-5 years. We already know that the hexacore core i9s will be used on X58 boards so might as well buy an X58 with the USB 3.0onboard and ready, plus expand. This is advice for those who are planning on building a next gen PC in the next few months, not in the long term or next year but in 2009. It makes the most sense if you are planning on making the best system currently possible with future references....
November 12, 2009 1:20:47 AM

TheViper said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There. Now Gigabyte has a USB 3.0 board too.



Yes thank you, pls. continue to post more updates and news on USB3.0 and better X58 boards as people are buying and looking into the P55 which isnt as future proof as the X58 in terms of years and future CPU connectivity.
November 12, 2009 1:23:51 AM

My bad that was an LGA1556 motherboard with USB 3.0. there are several also out for that but Id advise ppl that DO have the budget to get an X58 mb instead and wait for the ones to come out with Usb3.0.
November 12, 2009 10:40:08 AM

I bought a computer way back in 1998 that didn't have any usb ports. What I did was I bought a card that has USB 2.0 ports on it. Well I can't wait for 2011. I might have to do the same thing. As long as the OS that you have on your computer supports usb 3.0. That's ok.
November 20, 2009 5:23:23 AM

toyotascionxd said:
I bought a computer way back in 1998 that didn't have any usb ports. What I did was I bought a card that has USB 2.0 ports on it. Well I can't wait for 2011. I might have to do the same thing. As long as the OS that you have on your computer supports usb 3.0. That's ok.


wow you completely skipped usb 1.0..... i guess you never used zip drives in 96,97,98,and 99
November 20, 2009 7:57:56 AM

There will be also Intel H57 Motherboards coming up which would support future CPU that has Intel IGP support. I was wondering about the IGP's effect on video card's GPU. IGP might bring faster performance for video cards. ASUS had already shown P7H57D-V EVO motherboard. Unfortunately, I still don't hear about Intel 32nm quad core CPU yet. However, there is Clarkdale 32nm dual core CPU coming in early 2010 which support IGP. Clarkdale's IGP core would be 45nm and the ordinary general-use core is 32nm.

There is also a new cheaper ASUS P7P55D-E PRO with onboard USB 3.0 and SATA 3 support without having to rely on PLX add-on expansion card.
November 20, 2009 8:04:12 AM

Maziar said:
Well the word "Future proof" is actually a dead word IMO because every day something new comes out and so if you want to wait for something you can' buy anything


Future proof isn't really a dead word and it is use everyday to determine/predict how long products are going to last. It is like you can still future proof yourself for the next 2-3 years before the product you purchased become obsolete. I agree that all products would become obsolete but it is a matter of time or when it would become obsolete. The reason why we all wanted to buy newest products is because we wanted them to work well for longer periods of time and certainly that nobody wanted to buy products that are about to become obsolete like within 1 week or 1-6 months after spending a lot of cash for it. I think that what the OP meant with "future proofing yourself with USB 3.0" is that you can future proof yourself temporarily until USB 3.0 become obsolete so you would have many years left to enjoy using USB 3.0 compatible devices before USB 3.0 becomes obsolete which is an intelligent thing to do. ;) 
a c 135 V Motherboard
November 20, 2009 8:17:19 AM

That's why i said IMO :)  for me although the next 6-core CPUs will be fit for X58 in future but there will always be something newer around the corner too,but as i said its a matter of opinions :) 
November 20, 2009 8:22:00 AM

Maziar said:
That's why i said IMO :)  for me although the next 6-core CPUs will be fit for X58 in future but there will always be something newer around the corner too,but as i said its a matter of opinions :) 


Anyway, for Intel's Gulftown 6-core CPU or Core i9 or X58 system, I don't think that you really need that for future proofing your system. 6-core high end desktop CPU is more like marketing hype by Intel unless if you are really planning to run a server or you are rich. Most games and applications were not even being optimize for quad core yet. :D 

I heard that Intel Gulftown 6-core CPU is going to cost like $1000! :ouch: 
November 20, 2009 8:31:10 AM

I also heard that AMD is going to release RD890 and SB880 chipsets in the early 2010. Unlike Intel's P55 and H57 chipsets, AMD RD890 and SB880 chipsets will support SATA 3 and maybe also even USB 3.0 without having to rely on third-party chipsets from NEC and Marvell. :bounce: 
November 20, 2009 12:15:27 PM

Sounds like a perfect reason to get a board with a PCIe 1x slot. Also if you get a USB 3.0 board, you are missing out on USB 4.0, so I'd wait a little bit for that standard to get finalized....
a b V Motherboard
November 20, 2009 1:52:15 PM

"Future proofing" is a marketing misnomer of epic proportions.

Minimal obsoletism, increased longevity, early feature adoption, planned modernizing, long term relevancy and many other idioms are much more appropriate.
November 20, 2009 6:33:16 PM

TheViper said:
"Future proofing" is a marketing misnomer of epic proportions.

Minimal obsoletism, increased longevity, early feature adoption, planned modernizing, long term relevancy and many other idioms are much more appropriate.


+1
November 21, 2009 4:52:24 AM

TheViper said:
"Future proofing" is a marketing misnomer of epic proportions.

Minimal obsoletism, increased longevity, early feature adoption, planned modernizing, long term relevancy and many other idioms are much more appropriate.


Come on! Actually, I almost never hear people use those terms. It is kinda too official for people to use in a simple ordinary every-day spoken languange. Just use the word "Upgrade" or "Update" or "could possibly future proof yourself for the next 2 - 3 years (prediction)" is enough for ordinary spoken language when it comes to PC discussion. :hello: 

I think that the word "Longevity" is used more in medical science and saying "minimal obsoletism/long term relevancy" is not a cool way for saying and it is kinda too official unless if you wanna sound like President Bush or something (half joking) :p  and "modernizing" is used more in infrastructure engineering like modernizing city of Dubai. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I normally see it and heard from other people. :D 

You don't have to say "it will cause minimal obsoletism" or "it will increase longevity if you get USB 3.0", that would just complicate simple phrases even more and sound kinda nerd-sytle or dumb. :o 

Anyway, maybe it all comes down to people's preference with the way they speak but seriously, I almost don't hear people using those more official terms in every-day spoken language or in this internet forum.


Jeeez! Don't take it too seriously... :D 

Or...... maybe you are just testing my patience or something. Lol! ANYWHOOO, I am still happy. Take care! :) 
a b V Motherboard
November 21, 2009 2:57:36 PM

None are official (how could they be with no regulating body to establish it) but "future proofing" is used far too often with most not realizing how inaccurate the phrase is. The pure nature of the industry prevents such as consideration.

My frustration with the phrase is only semantically. I'm only trying to break the habit of people from using the phrase or at least educate them on the paradox, such as it is.

No different than trying to break people from saying "irregardless". The preceding "ir" is redundant.
November 22, 2009 11:19:26 AM

It is not really a matter of who is more educate than who but it is a matter of one's own personal opinion and one's personal taste in using the words... :) 

Anyway, you can still future proof yourself temporarily with USB 3.0 until it becomes obsolete for at least 2-5 years in the future (my prediction) before USB 4.0 comes out. At least, I'm assure that you would agree with this. ;) 

Good luck and enjoy the USB 3.0 tech! :D 
November 26, 2009 6:27:31 AM

Techno-boy said:
Future proof isn't really a dead word and it is use everyday to determine/predict how long products are going to last. It is like you can still future proof yourself for the next 2-3 years before the product you purchased become obsolete. I agree that all products would become obsolete but it is a matter of time or when it would become obsolete. The reason why we all wanted to buy newest products is because we wanted them to work well for longer periods of time and certainly that nobody wanted to buy products that are about to become obsolete like within 1 week or 1-6 months after spending a lot of cash for it. I think that what the OP meant with "future proofing yourself with USB 3.0" is that you can future proof yourself temporarily until USB 3.0 become obsolete so you would have many years left to enjoy using USB 3.0 compatible devices before USB 3.0 becomes obsolete which is an intelligent thing to do. ;) 



My point exactly, Thank you. Future proof is a period of time wherein a new product can assist you and still be relevent or widely accepted before it is phased out as a technology or trend. Thus USB3.0 which isnt out on the mass market yet but will be very soon is a perfect example of a future proofed peripheral.

All I was getting at was don't let the P55 hype or HOOPLA fool you. The X58's now, will be used for the new core i9 6 core cpus/systems. So when the newer x58's with usb 3.0 connectors and SATA3 come out, get it and you will have a motherboard that will last you for at least the next 5 years for sure depending on the type of usage. As for relevance, the X58 will be very relevent for years to come and USB3.0 is the next new thing... you can also buy Pcie x4 USB3.0 slots for expansion on the back of the case.

In my opinion, I would and will spend on the new x58 with usb3.0 next year and get a decent core i7920, which eventually i can change for a new hexacore i9 two or three years down the road.... while USB 3.0 will then be the mainstream...... SEE....
November 26, 2009 10:27:53 AM

liquidsnake718 said:
My point exactly, Thank you. Future proof is a period of time wherein a new product can assist you and still be relevent or widely accepted before it is phased out as a technology or trend. Thus USB3.0 which isnt out on the mass market yet but will be very soon is a perfect example of a future proofed peripheral.

All I was getting at was don't let the P55 hype or HOOPLA fool you. The X58's now, will be used for the new core i9 6 core cpus/systems. So when the newer x58's with usb 3.0 connectors and SATA3 come out, get it and you will have a motherboard that will last you for at least the next 5 years for sure depending on the type of usage. As for relevance, the X58 will be very relevent for years to come and USB3.0 is the next new thing... you can also buy Pcie x4 USB3.0 slots for expansion on the back of the case.

In my opinion, I would and will spend on the new x58 with usb3.0 next year and get a decent core i7920, which eventually i can change for a new hexacore i9 two or three years down the road.... while USB 3.0 will then be the mainstream...... SEE....


Thanks for your credit to my previous post. I agree with your first phrases but what I disagree with you is about ignoring P55 and seeing P55 as marketing hype. P55 would also potentially future proof you for the next 5 years as well as X58 but the difference is the price. You don't really need a more expensive X58 high-end system or Core i9 or a $1000 Hexa-core CPU just to use USB 3.0 or future proofing yourself for the next 5 years because also P55 and H57 motherboards would also allow you to use USB 3.0 and SATA 3 too. So I wasn't just talking about relevancy or future proofing but I was also concerning about finance/spending money since most of us are not rich. For example, ASUS P7P55D and P7P55D-E series motherboards would also future proof you with USB 3.0 and SATA 3 without making you spend too much money for Triple DDR3 Ram or a $1000 6-core CPU so spending money is something to also consider. X58 system might not even offer you the cheaper future CPU upgrade too and you might end up paying more than you really have to (based on Intel's 2010 roadmap).

Anyway, talking about relevancy and future proofing temporarily, X58 would also future proof you but unlike P55 and H57, the X58 high-end system would come with high price. Maybe the X58's future CPU upgrade might cost you too much like Intel Gulftown 6-core CPU which isn't necessary for future-proofing at all. So it is Intel's high end system which is more like marketing hype than the mainstream P55 market segment because it is more oriented towards servers especially the 6-Core CPU/Core i9 for DP Server/Workstation market since most of applications and games for Desktop PCs are not even optimize for 4 cores yet so 6 cores + triple DDR3 RAM are too much unless if you are rich or you wanna spend more or you are running a home server which might benefit more from 6 cores. :ouch: 

If you are planning to go for Core i7 920 + X58 system then I would prefer to recommend Core i5 system with Core i7 860 which is faster than Core i7 920 and it would also save your money. Triple DDR3 Ram did not boost the performance for Core i7 920 that much since the Core i7 860 + Dual DDR3 RAM had proved it so Dual DDR3 RAM with Core i5 system is enough. ;) 

http://en.expreview.com/2009/08/28/core-i7-860-tested-f...

Anyway, if you are rich or you need 6-core CPU for running a server then I would not even spend time arguing but most of us would not certainly get that for just to future proof ourselves with USB 3.0 and SATA 3 for Desktop PCs. With $1000, I could have buy the entire Desktop PC included USB 3.0 and SATA 3 without a problem. :) 
December 2, 2009 12:19:03 AM

usb3.0.
who cares...
I got usb 2.0 still not being usb 2.0

in fact I just got agp being agp...in 2008.
and pin grid array....
wait for that to come back, and talk of five years ahead.
pga is the winner, end of discussing it. canlt work with some pins? never open a computer gain.

there is an audience of pc building, it can't have these lazy slobbed things:

pci-e is one of them. when did isa come back, is there an oversized micron needing it? if so, inform me of what chunky 1987 part came back dictating pci-e...and 600watts where a tnt2 in a pci is doing the same...
cpu backplates. you stupid shitheads...what lazy ass climbed up with that one.

I just ground down some oversized brass standoffs for a prescott, coincidentally...

anybody know what secc is?

oh, how bout reverse coolng per orignal atx standard. oh my god. it needs custom duct work....










get advice from real users if you want evolution. happy holidays.

and a socket 370 new year.... :lol: 


December 2, 2009 1:49:48 AM

Techno-boy said:
Thanks for your credit to my previous post. I agree with your first phrases but what I disagree with you is about ignoring P55 and seeing P55 as marketing hype. P55 would also potentially future proof you for the next 5 years as well as X58 but the difference is the price. You don't really need a more expensive X58 high-end system or Core i9 or a $1000 Hexa-core CPU just to use USB 3.0 or future proofing yourself for the next 5 years because also P55 and H57 motherboards would also allow you to use USB 3.0 and SATA 3 too. So I wasn't just talking about relevancy or future proofing but I was also concerning about finance/spending money since most of us are not rich. For example, ASUS P7P55D and P7P55D-E series motherboards would also future proof you with USB 3.0 and SATA 3 without making you spend too much money for Triple DDR3 Ram or a $1000 6-core CPU so spending money is something to also consider. X58 system might not even offer you the cheaper future CPU upgrade too and you might end up paying more than you really have to (based on Intel's 2010 roadmap).

Anyway, talking about relevancy and future proofing temporarily, X58 would also future proof you but unlike P55 and H57, the X58 high-end system would come with high price. Maybe the X58's future CPU upgrade might cost you too much like Intel Gulftown 6-core CPU which isn't necessary for future-proofing at all. So it is Intel's high end system which is more like marketing hype than the mainstream P55 market segment because it is more oriented towards servers especially the 6-Core CPU/Core i9 for DP Server/Workstation market since most of applications and games for Desktop PCs are not even optimize for 4 cores yet so 6 cores + triple DDR3 RAM are too much unless if you are rich or you wanna spend more or you are running a home server which might benefit more from 6 cores. :ouch: 

If you are planning to go for Core i7 920 + X58 system then I would prefer to recommend Core i5 system with Core i7 860 which is faster than Core i7 920 and it would also save your money. Triple DDR3 Ram did not boost the performance for Core i7 920 that much since the Core i7 860 + Dual DDR3 RAM had proved it so Dual DDR3 RAM with Core i5 system is enough. ;) 

http://en.expreview.com/2009/08/28/core-i7-860-tested-f...

Anyway, if you are rich or you need 6-core CPU for running a server then I would not even spend time arguing but most of us would not certainly get that for just to future proof ourselves with USB 3.0 and SATA 3 for Desktop PCs. With $1000, I could have buy the entire Desktop PC included USB 3.0 and SATA 3 without a problem. :) 



Fair points, I don't consider myself rich but I do want to spend at a good utility/lifespan rate. meaning X58 will utilize the hexacore and eventually I will want to upgrade in the future (2-5 years) and not have to buy a new prob X68mb and still use that technology down the road. As for X58 I want to utilize FULL SLI or Crossfire at 16 X2 or even 16X16X8.... I dont want to waste on a second GPU with a dismal 8X 8X configuration. I know through TOm's benches the 8x,8x gpu doesnt make much of a difference but I would rather have the whole gamut of options at my disposal for the money I will spend on.

Thus I am in constant state of waiting for the next X58 board with USB3.0, SATA4, good pricing, and catch it at that perfect timeat my comfort. I still have a very good system thus I can wait for the actual moment when I feel it is right to build a 100% new system. I do wish Nvidia still kept Hybrid SLI with the onboard GPU taking on less demanding apps like word, web browsing, and basic functins as that was such a good idea to switch between GPU and onboard. I think they should revive that if they can program the drivers and gpu's with the Cpus to work more efficiently. Maybe they should with the newer X58boards or with 6cores so one core can handle that change by itself............ your thoughts on this?
a b V Motherboard
December 2, 2009 2:03:49 AM

Actually, have you seen how low they have gotten the idle on the new 5800 cards?!? I used to really want the Hybrid power, but after I saw the new cards' idle power, I understand why they dropped it. It really is (or will be) unnecessary.
December 5, 2009 10:18:55 AM

EXT64 said:
Actually, have you seen how low they have gotten the idle on the new 5800 cards?!? I used to really want the Hybrid power, but after I saw the new cards' idle power, I understand why they dropped it. It really is (or will be) unnecessary.

Hybrid power is different from Hybrid SLI as HSLI is when the onboard GPU on the motherboard is in SLI with a 9xxx GPU. The GPU and MB would then switch depending on which applications are being utilized in order to save power. The 9xxx gpus were also very power efficient and were pretty cool in terms of heat efficiency. I think games could also be utilized with the SLI but I am not 100% sure, it could be only for switching applications between GPUs.
a b V Motherboard
December 5, 2009 1:30:03 PM

Hybrid Crossfire does allow both to operate in games but it is limited to low end GPU's only.
December 7, 2009 12:40:19 AM

TheViper said:
Hybrid Crossfire does allow both to operate in games but it is limited to low end GPU's only.



No I have a 9800GTX+ and it has hybrid SLI capability, I dont consider this low end as it is still in relative benchmarks and is around now as the GTS250. Also, the earlt gt200's like the GTX260 and the GTX280 were also Hyrid SLI capable.

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_SLI#Hybrid_SLI
a b V Motherboard
December 7, 2009 12:42:54 AM

I said Hybrid Crossfire, not SLI.
January 19, 2010 3:57:38 AM

TheViper said:
I said Hybrid Crossfire, not SLI.

noted... we do however now have boards that support hybrid Graphic cards!! Meaning Nvidia cards with Ati cards..... crazy stuff.....
January 24, 2010 3:37:21 AM

The one thing that I'm seeing that keeps holding me back on the m/b commitment is that the Asus P6X58D Premium board is pretty expensive ($309 when you can get it on the Egg - I missed the darn $274 sale last week) but has such a high customer rating compared to every other x85's that - while I hate spending that much - the reliability thing has got me going.

There are so many complaints about EVERY other board (DOA's, compatibility, bad ddr3 channels) that I'm unsure what to get.
February 2, 2010 2:12:07 AM

Quote:
So I'm reading through the time stamps on this thread, and think it's pretty funny.

11-04-2009: Don't buy, wait for USB 3.0, make sure it's an X58!
-But only 1 Premium MB on the market
11-11-2009: A second MB with USB 3.0 appears.
-Options Double!
11-20-2009: AMD boards with USB 3 won't be out til 2010
-Looks like they came out in December
11-26-2009: Well, ok, future-proof is sort of relative to only about 2-5 years
-Exactly how long are you gonna wait?
12-01-2009: "I am in constant state of waiting for the next X58 board with USB3.0, SATA4, good pricing, and catch it at that perfect timeat my comfort."

....

So how's that wait going for you? Sounds like you're in an awful hurry to wait for the next biggest and best thing out there. For someone leaning on the edge of what's new, I'm surprised you'd keeps any old hardware for more than 2 years with your need to grab the next upgrade and keep up with future tech.



I've upgraded my current PC for the last time by getting a 5850. Ive already had this build since 2007 as I have already upgraded from an 8800gt, e4600 c2d to my current e7500, then 9800gtx+ which was basically in Nov 08. I still think its is still a decent processor so I am not going to get rid of this system. Im also sick of using Vista so I want to build my next PC really soon with Win7. Which will leave my 775 to be my secondary PC for some LAN gaming and online use.

Im waiting for a decent micro atx x58 with USB3.0. I wanted to wait for prices of SSd's to come down this summer but I may get my next build going even without one for now or get the 128gb one from Intel. I figure my last build only had 750Gbtotal and it is almost full in the primary disc. I will start with tgetting the MB and the processor which is the same as yours as the i7 920 which in my opinion still one of the best options for OC'ing. I was about to reserve the MSi Pro but Im still waiting for a Micro atx preferably from MSI or Gigabyte. I'm the type to research what kind of PC I will need to build that can last me at least 3-4yearsand can be upgraded several times. Knowing that the X58 is alot more stable and can utilize dual gpu cards along with 2-tri SLI/Crossfire, I will get it with a new Nvidia card. My current 5850 is just to test the Ati product and so far its pretty decent.

Seeing your setup it seems you are being hypacritical as you also have a new system and probably replaced your c2d or c2q as well. What are you doing with your old build? Ive held on to mine for 3 years and upgraded it a few times. I know for sure that I am totally skipping the LGA1156 line.
April 6, 2010 8:34:08 PM

why don't buy motherboards yet ???

if you want usb 3 buy a pci card
April 8, 2010 2:26:35 AM

digital7 said:
why don't buy motherboards yet ???

if you want usb 3 buy a pci card

Because I still dont know what to do with my current PC yet, I dont think I will sell or get rid of it and it is too good to be an htpc plus I use my ps3 for that and my older p4 is still rotting and collecting dust.... I am however close to buying a new x58 usb3.0 motherboard and i7 930 when its available here where I am... I might just give my older PC to my wife as it is a Vista PC.

To answer your question I am waiting for the right x58 with onboad usb 3.0 so I dont have to spend extra cash just to buy a pcie add on and waste space. Still there are NO usb 3.0 units/external drives out yet but this will be my "future proof" requirment for the X58 while I eventually add another 5850 since Ive decided to forget Fermi alltogether.
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