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therealleeroy   05-18-2009 at 01:00:48 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within 4* weeks

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Movies, Internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, OS, Monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, shopping.google.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: INTEL <<<<<

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680 x 1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Trying to skimp down on the price as much as possible...Thinking of trying to find a cheaper case with good, sufficient cooling (Antec 300).

What I have so far:
Gaming Build v3.3 -**UPDATED**05/19/09

[75] COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Mid Tower Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 90-KKN1-GP

[70] Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072

[130] GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128358

[100] POWERCOLOR AX4770 512MD5-M Radeon HD 4770 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131155

[100] POWERCOLOR AX4770 512MD5-M Radeon HD 4770 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131155

[45] Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820104001

[60] Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 0GB%207200

[80 -> 60 with MIR] BFG Tech LS SERIES LS-550 550W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] Tpk=LS-550

[22] LG 22x DVD-R/DVD Burner LightScribe Black GH22LS30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 20GH22LS30

[45] Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Tit [...] 8-AM2-AM3)

[0] Windows 7 RC Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/w [...] nload.aspx


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Bronze Home Brew badge Proximon   05-18-2009 at 02:37:56 AM
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If you can spare the 5 bucks, this RAM would be better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820104001
Lower latency.

Pretty nice build, but I think the GS-550 is questionable. Especially with that kind of load.

Antec 300 case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] ntec%20300

BFG LS-550
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] Tpk=LS-550

or

OCZ600MXSP 600W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341017

or
Corsair 650TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005
This last one would be ideal.

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Bronze Home Brew badge Proximon   05-18-2009 at 02:39:09 AM
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Maybe you should put off the second 4770 for a month or two?

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therealleeroy   05-18-2009 at 02:42:36 AM
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I might. Would that Antec 300 provide enough cooling for this rig? And again, should I just use a 500W PSU? I COULD get that case/psu combo deal with the Antec.

I'm a little iffy about spending 30 more dollars for the same wattage :??:

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Bronze Home Brew badge Proximon   05-18-2009 at 04:06:07 AM
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therealleeroy wrote :

I might. Would that Antec 300 provide enough cooling for this rig? And again, should I just use a 500W PSU? I COULD get that case/psu combo deal with the Antec.

I'm a little iffy about spending 30 more dollars for the same wattage :??:



Then you need to learn a bit more about power supplies :) Wattage is NOT the primary concern.

As I recall the 4770 pulls around 140W by itself, and since even a high quality PSU doesn't want to run at much more than 80% load, preferably more like 60%, I think you want more like 48amps on the 12V rail and 600W at least total.

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therealleeroy   05-18-2009 at 06:17:47 AM
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600W hmm?

How about this:
[50] hec X-Power Pro 600 600W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817339025

Oh, and again, would the Antec 300 provide sufficient cooling for this rig?


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Bronze Home Brew badge Proximon   05-18-2009 at 08:14:37 AM
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Yes it would, at stock. You would want to add a few fans to OC.

No to HEC. You need a quality power supply, and I've probably listed the less expensive choices.

Here are a few references:
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1036

I finally found some numbers on actual load:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/966/9/

I still don't have amperage reqs, but I think a quality 550W will cover it. Needs to have 2 PCI-E connectors of course.

There is also this case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811146055
Got a good review at a German site, but it's brand new. Despite the description it only ships with one fan included.






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therealleeroy   05-19-2009 at 06:42:20 AM
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I might consider the case with that sexy price tag...

Oh how I wish PSUs were so...inexpensive...

PSUs I'm considering:

[80] SIGMA MONSTER SP650C 650W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V 2.2V / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power ... - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817226011

[90] Antec EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active ... - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371015

[70 -> 55 with Mail-In Rebate] SIGMA SHARK SP-635 635W ATX12V V2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817226002

[60 -> 35 with Mail-In Rebate] SIGMA SHARK SP-585 585W ATX12V V2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817226001

[80 -> 60 with Mail-In Rebate[ Thermaltake Purepower W0121RU 600W ATX12V V2.0 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817153077

Are you sure I can't run 550W PSUs? :X

P.S. Are Mail-in Rebates reliable? I've read a bit here and there about people complaining about getting their rebates really late or even not at all. True or false?

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Bronze Home Brew badge Why_Me   05-19-2009 at 07:06:48 AM
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.187097 Combo Discount: -$15.00 Combo Price: $178.94 $20.00 Mail-In Rebate
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341022 $74.99 ($49.99 after $25.00 Mail-In Rebate)
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115206 $119.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102835 $104.99
SAPPHIRE 100277L Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231122 $47.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136319 $74.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136152 $24.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

Total: $626.88 | $581.88 w/mail in rebates

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therealleeroy   05-19-2009 at 07:45:26 AM
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Mmmm... a couple things...

1. The case and mobo I have alone are cheaper than the combo you have
2. No clarification if 550W is decent enough yet, but if 550W is enough, I'll definitely consider that PSU
3. From reviews and boards I've read, the E5200 and the E7400 are practically the same except things like cache, with the E5200 coming with a bad stock cooler but a very good multiplier.
4. Can a single 4770 run something like WoW, Crysis, and COD4 at full settings well?
5. Any real difference between the RAM I have vs the G.SKILL
6. The 500GB I listed is from newegg, but I'm nabbing one from a friend of mine for $45
7. Aftermarket Cooling?

Next time, please list some justifications for your reasons for almost completely changing the build

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Bronze Home Brew badge Why_Me   05-19-2009 at 08:30:31 AM
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therealleeroy wrote :

Mmmm... a couple things...

1. The case and mobo I have alone are cheaper than the combo you have
2. No clarification if 550W is decent enough yet, but if 550W is enough, I'll definitely consider that PSU
3. From reviews and boards I've read, the E5200 and the E7400 are practically the same except things like cache, with the E5200 coming with a bad stock cooler but a very good multiplier.
4. Can a single 4770 run something like WoW, Crysis, and COD4 at full settings well?
5. Any real difference between the RAM I have vs the G.SKILL
6. The 500GB I listed is from newegg, but I'm nabbing one from a friend of mine for $45
7. Aftermarket Cooling?

Next time, please list some justifications for your reasons for almost completely changing the build



Ok np. First off the case you posted was a CM 690 which goes for $75 @ the egg....so no the case you chose was not cheaper than the $59 Antec 300 w/free shipping that I posted....you must have my post mixed up with someone elses...or maybe you were looking at the wrong thread ?

Second off that AsRock mobo you chose is ...a paper weight so to say....sans the reason it's so cheap.

Third you never posted anything that I saw about getting a HD from your friend for $45.

btw no real difference in the RAM. I posted the G.Skill for the fact that particular model has a great reputation...sans the reason it has 2,000 reviews on newegg but after looking at the Kingston you posted...either one is a decent choice for that build of yours.


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therealleeroy   05-20-2009 at 02:19:06 AM
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75+90 < your combo. That's what I was saying, but you cleared yourself up with your 2nd reason.

Other questions not answered yet T.T.

And again for the 3rd time: Would the Antec 300 provide enough cooling for this rig?

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Bronze Home Brew badge Proximon   05-20-2009 at 03:28:58 AM
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therealleeroy wrote :



And again for the 3rd time: Would the Antec 300 provide enough cooling for this rig?



I think with crossfire 4770s I would want to have the two front fans installed. So, you would need to figure that in.


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therealleeroy   05-20-2009 at 04:46:29 AM
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Okay, looks like I'm sticking to the 690. Are there any other cheaper, quality motherboards than the UD3P?

Looks like the build is becoming final soon :sol:

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