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9800GTX+ Sucks and GTS 250 PWNS

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June 9, 2009 8:10:05 PM

After reading this article I can't help but not shake my head. Just a name change on a product can make it "sell like mad" (according to FUDzilla). The G92b architecture has lived a very long life. Can you imagine buying a CPU in 2 years with a new name then finding out it is the same one you previously purchased? Nvidia has some sketchy business practices but it seems to be working very well. I think I know what manufacturer is making make my next video card (ATI).

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14131/1/
a b U Graphics card
June 9, 2009 8:38:23 PM

well it is made on a newer technology (55nm). so it actually is an improvement...

-higher factory clocks
-overclocks better
-less heat
-therefore less noise

i think that is a pretty good incentive for a new card right?
June 9, 2009 9:06:25 PM

Actually, the previous card already had a die shrink which is signified with the '+' in 9800gtx+. The cards with the old 65nm process are labeled without the plus sign. The only improvement the gts250 has over 9800gtx+ is that that in the 1gb version of the gts250, the card has a shorter pcb.
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a c 107 U Graphics card
June 9, 2009 9:21:29 PM

Those foolish fools.
June 10, 2009 12:00:22 AM

the GTS250 is nothing new sept for the refabrication, and if you look at AMD cards it looks a little short. lol

its only clocked a little higher and refabrated, so less heat and noise, also it should be a bit more effenent than the 9800++
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 12:14:28 AM

Renamed or not, its still very competitive in the lower-mid range arena (and that's what matters).
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 12:16:31 AM

Nvidia are just hurting themselves in the long run with their renaming.
June 10, 2009 12:22:27 AM

uncfan_2563 said:
well it is made on a newer technology (55nm).


No it isn't, the 9800GTX+ was 55nm as well.

It's the exact same thing with a minor PCB revision.
June 10, 2009 12:28:54 AM

turboflame said:
No it isn't, the 9800GTX+ was 55nm as well.

It's the exact same thing with a minor PCB revision.



oh of course it is, thats all Nvida has been doing rencety :(  rebranding
June 10, 2009 4:05:08 AM

Why rebuild...WHEN YOU CAN RENAME!
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 4:36:30 AM

The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"?

its been quite awhile for me. anyway, regardless the graphics people are good at getting people to continue shelling out money for just a little more juice. Whether its rebranding or a die shrink or whatever. I hope I can stick to my vow to not buy another card until there's one at least twice as fast for a decent price.
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 4:40:00 AM

You can turn a 9800GTX+ into a GTS250 by using the GTS250 bios.

The only advantage a GTS250 has is it's shorter in length and uses slightly less power. Performance and benchmarks between the two is basically the same.
June 10, 2009 4:54:37 AM

jeffredo said:
Renamed or not, its still very competitive in the lower-mid range arena (and that's what matters).

Shh you'll hurt the ati fanboys feelings.
Bluescreendeath said:
You can turn a 9800GTX+ into a GTS250 by using the GTS250 bios.

The only advantage a GTS250 has is it's shorter in length and uses slightly less power. Performance and benchmarks between the two is basically the same.

You can also find a lot more aftermarket coolers already installed when buying a GTS 250
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 6:12:08 AM

Imagine if we saw 40-60+% jump in cpus every year? Itd make the i7 look foolish. ATI price drops are coming, and unless the 250 sells for under 100$, it costs too much. No matter what brand or model..
What I find interesting is, people started off all over the 4890, by saying its just a revamped 4870, but it has more changes in it than a 9800+ to a 250, and alot more perf also.
Whatll be sad is, if ATI is still selling their 4980 2+ years from now, and have renamed it 2 other times, sorta like we see here, 8800gts, 9800gtx, 9800+ and now 250
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 9:33:00 AM

The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"? said:
The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"?



i bought an 8600gt as my first dx10 card, switched to a 9600gt 5 months later, blew my old card away. another 3 months had passed and got myself a 4850, blew my old card away, got myself a 4870, blew my old card away.

a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 10:11:20 AM

So we can deduce from the above statement that the fan speeds go progressively higher? said:
So we can deduce from the above statement that the fan speeds go progressively higher?


yup, where the fan speeds are inversely proportional to your sense of humor

June 10, 2009 10:12:58 AM

IzzyCraft said:
Shh you'll hurt the ati fanboys feelings.

You can also find a lot more aftermarket coolers already installed when buying a GTS 250


The performance of the card is pretty much on par with the 4850. The 4850 can easily be found for ~$90 after rebate and the GTS 250 is ~$115-$120. Just as Nvidia re-badged their 680i as the 780i, they've done it again. I don't believe that wanting the greatest value for your money makes you a fanboy.

Edit: Actually I just noticed that Newegg has a deal on the HIS 4850 for $79.99 w/ free shipping after promo code and MIR and it comes with Stalker Clear Sky. Pretty great deal for any of those that would consider a GTS 250.
June 10, 2009 1:33:28 PM

Why not rebrand if the performance is still on-par or better than the competition? Again, this is why competition is a good thing.
June 10, 2009 3:44:53 PM

yeah, but still teh rebranded stuff, don't does it...I don't see the GTS250 getting a clear win of the HD4850
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 6:04:52 PM

buzznut said:
The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"?


8800GTX from anything else. Heck, the card is still competitive...
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 8:04:51 PM

ooh i musta miss understood the thing. i guess the GTX+ was the new tech
a b U Graphics card
June 10, 2009 8:10:40 PM

gamerk316 said:
8800GTX from anything else. Heck, the card is still competitive...



Yup. Absolutely squashed the X850 XT it replaced - and I'm still using it happily 2 1/2 years later. Never had a video card last so long.
June 11, 2009 8:56:43 PM

My GTX 260 was quite an upgrade from my old 7800 GS AGP :)  I went from medium/high settings in oblivion with 30 to 40 FPS to Max Everything at 150+ FPS. I'd say that was a wow moment...
June 11, 2009 11:25:34 PM

My 8800GTS 512 monstered my previous card an AGP 6800GT. Have had it 18 months now and is still great, certainly won't be upgrading for a while.
July 4, 2009 2:34:14 AM

You go with ati and you won't get physX. You can't play mirrors edge smoothley on vista with Physx on. If you can have the ati card run nvidia physx than you will be very unique.
July 4, 2009 3:59:15 AM

....Ok. It's not a terribly old thread.... but is that even relevant?
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2009 4:19:10 AM

Will physx work on DX10.1? heheh
July 4, 2009 2:35:24 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Will physx work on DX10.1? heheh

Havok Physics works... he..he..
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2009 2:39:43 PM

Shhhh
July 4, 2009 5:59:32 PM

buzznut said:
The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"?


7600 GT to an 8800 GT, yeah that's right.
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2009 6:14:36 PM

2600 PRO > 4870 512

3 months later I still crap myself just a little bit every time I start a game. I just recieved my 4870x2 yesterday morning, If it gives me 10% of the joy I got from my last upgrade it will be worth it :D 
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2009 6:24:46 PM

Lessee, in cpu terms thats what? C2D to C2D. Max, in only a few apps is what? 10+%? Hmmmm From 07 to 08. Big Racket?Maybe that term could be better applied to cpus, not gpus
a b U Graphics card
July 4, 2009 7:53:53 PM

GMA950 to CF 3850 to Sli gtx260. (big jump every time hahah)
=]
a b U Graphics card
July 5, 2009 5:10:21 AM

If you can have the ati card run nvidia physx than you will be very unuque. said:
If you can have the ati card run nvidia physx than you will be very unuque.


you mean you're not going to have sex for the rest of your life?
a b U Graphics card
July 5, 2009 5:10:48 AM

DP'd
July 7, 2009 2:44:52 PM

Just installed my new GTS 250. Got it for $67 shipped after MIR and code along with COD4. Replaced my BFG 7950GT oc. crushes that card (as it should). sold my old card to a friend for $28 (with a sweet super quiet copper zalman cooler I added). so, it cost me 40 bones for a card that smokes every game I have and everything looks sweet on my 28" monitor. card seems to somehow run cooler too. not sure how that is possible - maybe it just naturally underclocks in non-game setting automatically? either way, very please with this purchase. I guess I would expect newer tech if I paid > $100
July 7, 2009 3:34:38 PM

buzznut said:
The video card market is a big racket if you ask me. People keep buying cards that represent such tiny incremental increases in performance..When is the last time you bought a card and went "holy crap, this blows my old card away!"?


Thats exactly what I thought when I picked up a 4870 For $121 less than a month ago to replace my 8800GT...
The gain was unimpressive. I learned my lesson though. Normally I go at least 3 years before upgrading to get that "holy crap" sense going. But I look on the brightside, when I do my 'real' full system upgrade at the end of next year I will be able to CrossFire another 4870 and still pack a punch on my 24".
July 7, 2009 4:02:01 PM

wh3resmycar said:
you mean you're not going to have sex for the rest of your life?

I knew there was somthing wrong with that spelling. That joke was clever.
July 8, 2009 1:15:38 AM

How come prototype dosn't run smoothley on the gts 250 and runs smoothley on the less fast ati radon 3850 that overclocked 200 Mhz less that the GTS 250? Faster is better. Is that ture?
July 8, 2009 7:34:27 AM

Is it true that you can upgrade your 9800gtx+ by simply using the GTS250 driver.... haha so on the properties display it would really state GTS250?
Facelift upgrade. Nvidia is really squeezing this G92..... for 4 years and still going strong.

I bought this card last July when it was fairly new and now its on the "S" side of things in the 200achitecture. Its sad because it didnt really make a drastic improvement from my 8800gt and I wasted $300 on it.

I guess Nvidias trend is to make BIG strides and completely revamp their cards EVERY OTHER EVEN CYCLE. Meaning the ODD numbered cards will just be smaller and upgraded versions of their EVEN counterparts, or at least in terms of preformance. the 6800XT's were revolutionary while the 7000's were crap, the 8800gt was great for such a long time, the 9600-9800gx2's were just revamped, then the gtx260-gtx850 are the next evolution but the GTX300 cards might just be juiced up 200 series cards w better preformance numbers making way for GTX400 while will be the real paradigm in Graphics computing.





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July 8, 2009 8:32:58 AM

so, gts 250's are good for ultra hd gamming at 1360x768. or its worth for nothing b'coz am about to buy it...
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