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May 20, 2009 4:53:55 PM

Hi Guys,

Im kinda new to buying decent pc's etc that are for use more than the standard office and word.

I'm looking to buy something new that can play games and run photoshop easily and be able to download movies/music without it crashing all time. My budget is £500-£600. Can anyone give me some recommendations please of what to buy and where to get it from. Prefarably already built as tho I know a bit about pc's I doubt ill be able to put one together myself.

Thanks in advance.

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May 20, 2009 5:22:14 PM

an extra £100 will get you a decent i7 build which would be the best photoshop but it won't play games as well as a phenom build at the same price tag, and you'd lose 360GB of storage (WDC black 640GB vs Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB)
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May 20, 2009 10:02:33 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Tommorow BUDGET RANGE: £500-600

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Internet/downloads | gaming | playing music etc.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: any

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type : any as I simply am a n00b and dont know whats best

OVERCLOCKING: no idea what this is SLI OR CROSSFIRE: no idea what this is :/ 

MONITOR RESOLUTION: not needed

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: just simply want something to run half decent games for this price (if thats possible) if not then the closest that comes to it, and sorry for being such a complete nobo etc. any help is welcome. and ty shnur.
May 21, 2009 12:05:33 AM

Two small questions, where do you plan buying your parts? I see you're in Europe, so no newegg for you, or you want to pay the exchange rate?
Second is, what's the resoltuion of your monitor (pixels you're filling, you can check that by right-clicking on the desktop and selecting Properties - going to the last tab (in XP), Personalize -> Resolution (In Vista)?
May 21, 2009 12:35:24 AM

All price are in US, you should be able to find similar prices (or a bit higher) near you.

AMD Phenom II 955 and Asus M4A79 Deluxe for 390$
G.Skill 4GB DDR3 for 60$
Cooler Master 690 Case for 75$
Corsair 650W PSU for 100$
Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB hard drive for 75$
LG Black DVD Burner/reader for 24$
ATI HD4770 videocard for a 100$

All this comes up to 824$ US and Yahoo! tells me it's 523£.

All theses components go well together and you will be able to CrossFire later (adding a second, third and fourth (same) video card for better performance), also you're future-proof with AM3 socket for the CPU that just came out, along goes DDR3 for further upgrade.
This CPU overclocks very well, you should read about it in forums, it's easy and with AMD OverDrive application, it's extremely user friendly. There's no reason today why would not overclock. Search in forums and you'll be good :) 
Use NewEgg links as a reference, they're here to give you more information about the products.
If you give us a website of a store (online or physical) from which you want to order, we'll link you to the correct items

May 21, 2009 7:34:57 AM

Firstly thanks for your help shnur. Considering a monitor, I dont have one atm (spare) so will just nick one from a friend or buy a relatively cheap flat screen. Considering UK sites for parts http://www.misco.co.uk/ and http://www.maplin.co.uk/Sub_Category.aspx?Menu=-3 both seem to be pretty gd after having a bit of a look. Also i've never put a computer together before. Would it be hard to assemble all these components. I did do electronics at College so I'm not a complete idiot etc. but not massively keen on putting £600 worth of gear together when I have no idea what im doing.
May 21, 2009 8:14:22 AM

:bounce: 

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854 £46.99 inc vat
Antec 300 Three Hundred Black Case - No PSU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159 £45.00 inc vat
OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W PSU - 1x PCI-E 6/8pin, 2x SATA 12cm Fan

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB... £67.99 inc VAT
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 Intel P43 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/164298 £92.99 inc vat Free Delivery
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.8GHz Socket 775 1066FSB 3MB L2 Cache OEM Processor

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105994 £16.35 inc vat
Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/164355 £109.99 inc vat Free Delivery
PNY GTS250 512MB GDDR3 Dual DVI HDTV Out PhysX and Cuda ready PCI-E Graphics

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130429 £37.49 inc vat
Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Kit CL5 1.9V

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124735 £37.60inc vat
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB SATAII 16MB Cache 7200 RPM - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151999 £15.99 inc vat
LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD±RW/DL/RAM Black Bare Drive - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149940 £80.49 inc vat Free Delivery
Acer V193WAB 19" TFT Monitor 1440x900 2000:1 300cd/m2 5ms VGA Black 3 Years

Total: £550.88 inc vat

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.... <---Save your money (o/s), and dl the 64 bit version of Windows 7
May 21, 2009 9:00:17 AM

Thanks for the help, but again is it easy to put together a PC with all these parts etc. or is it better to buy a ready made pc considering I have no experience in assembly. Or is it piss easy and simply plug in and play?
May 21, 2009 9:04:12 AM

jermain said:
Thanks for the help, but again is it easy to put together a PC with all these parts etc. or is it better to buy a ready made pc considering I have no experience in assembly. Or is it piss easy and simply plug in and play?


It's pretty much "plug and play". What takes the longest is downloading all the drivers, updates, etc... Most likely you will have everything put together in less then an hour but when it comes to the MS updates, drivers for the vid card, etc...that's when it gets boring.

If you to go youtube and type something in like " building a PC " there's loads of vids on it. It's pretty basic stuff for the most part. Plug "A" into "B", etc....
May 21, 2009 9:43:03 AM

ok thanks Why_me, think ill give it a try tbh. gotta learn sometime. Also if i were to use windows 7 as my operating system how would i get it to run? if i was booting it up for the 1st time it wouldnt have an operating system etc. and i'd need a cd to boot it up on?
May 21, 2009 9:45:33 AM

jermain said:
ok thanks Why_me, think ill give it a try tbh. gotta learn sometime. Also if i were to use windows 7 as my operating system how would i get it to run? if i was booting it up for the 1st time it wouldnt have an operating system etc. and i'd need a cd to boot it up on?


Download it onto a PC or laptop, and then burn it to a disk. That disk will be your new Windows 7 64 bit o/s. :) 
May 21, 2009 9:48:54 AM

lol, kk will do ty buddy.
May 21, 2009 3:11:41 PM


Socket 775 is a thing of the past, I wouldn't go that way. At today's prices, you go or i7 or Phenom II, at your budget you'd go Phenom since it'll bring you the best bang for the buck. The C2D your looking at has two cores, the Phenom I'm proposing you has three; better multitasking and if you're like me, forgetting to close all your programs before you play some games, you won't be slowed down if there's a background process since it'll be offloaded to the third core (assuming you wont be playing one of the 2-3 games that uses more than two cores), it overclocks very well and if you ever want to make an upgrade to your system, you can do so for the next few years to come since the AM3 socket is new. The board has an integrated video card which is not great but not completely crappy, if you're missing some money for now, you could cut there at still play all your games on minimum until you get your next paycheck.
At a later time, you can get a second video card to boost your performances, or add a professional sound card or whatever other card that uses a PCI-Express slot.
So I'd say go with an Asus M4A78T-E for £105 and a Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition for £120

You'll end up with a better deal with an HD 4770 at £83 with free delivery, because you could put a second one at a later time in your board and also since it's the best card for the money you can get today.
Antec 300 is a cramped case with bad airflow compared to the Cooler Master 690 that comes at £64 with free delivery and for a small fee you get a tee-shirt :ange:  (just saying...)
I agree for the PSU unit, since you'll have more than enough power with it, OCZ is a good PSU brand, and at £45 you're good. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159
The hard drive will be filled up pretty fast and this Western Digital Black Cavier 500GB with 32MB of cache is faster and bigger at £52.
For the RAM you'll need DDR3, which will become cheaper and more accessible than DDR2 in the next months, so you can start off with an OCZ 4GB kit of PC3-10666 for £55
You don't really need a CPU cooler for now, it's an investment you could do, but it's not necessary, I've been running a big overclock (1.8Ghz to 2.8Ghz) on my stock cooler for over 2 years.
As for the DVD drive, it really doesn't matter in my opinion, you just get one you like, I have a preference for LG after testing Pioneer and Sony and disliking them for the loudness of the drive.
As for the screen, I have it and I hate it pretty much, it's small, you can't see a full document page, and the difference in price between this one and a 22" is minimal, I'd say go with a 22" if you can afford paying £20 more, for example this LG W2234S for £110 or if you don't mind having a small screen a big resolution (which gives you a better image quality perception) I would recommend BenQ G2220HDA, it has a FullHD resolution = 1920 by 1080, and at £110 it's a steal. With that screen you can basically put two Word 2007 documents next to each other and be able to see the full page.

I don't know if the £50 over is ok, but I believe it's the best investment right now that you can do.
Total of £650
May 21, 2009 7:07:58 PM

Thanks again for all the advice. I've managed to conjure up the following.

BenQ G2220HDA 21.5" TFT Monitor 1920x1080 300cd/m2 40000:1 (dynamic) 5ms 16:9 VGA Glossy Black

Coolermaster CM690 Dominator Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU

OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W PSU - 1x PCI-E 6/8pin, 2x SATA 12cm Fan

Western Digital 640GB Hard Drive SATA300 7200rpm 32MB Cache Caviar Black - OEM

OCZ 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10666 Gold Dual Channel CL 9-9-9-26

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD±RW/DL/RAM Black Bare Drive - OEM

Asus M4N78 SE 720D Socket AM2+ 6 channel audio ATX Motherboard

PowerColor HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card

AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz Socket AM2+ 6MB L3

Comes to £720 but I can get VAT of some comes to around £600, just in budget.

What do u guys think?
May 21, 2009 7:33:15 PM

£600 ex vat, do you convert the video's you download because with ATi's new drivers they have an on-gpu video converting facility where it would make more sense to drop the 920 for a 720 BE and the 500w PSU for the PCP&C 750w then add ddr2 ram since it's a ddr2 motherboard. Next you'll want a nice 4870 X2 to go with that.
May 21, 2009 7:34:07 PM

How much do you get the Phenom X4 920 for? You maybe should get a X3 720 for less with a CPU Heatsink and OC it? Just a thought.
Also I'd go for an AM3 board, along with DDR3 RAM (what you've chosen).
Just change the RAM to DDR2 or get an AM3 Board.
May 22, 2009 9:32:04 AM

BenQ G2220HDA 21.5" TFT Monitor 1920x1080 300cd/m2 40000:1 (dynamic) 5ms 16:9 VGA Glossy Black

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD±RW/DL/RAM Black Bare Drive - OEM

PowerColor HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card AMD

Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz Socket AM2+ 6MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor

CoolerMaster Elite 333 Black Case With CM eXtreme Power 460W PSU *SPECIAL OFFER*

ASUS M3N-H/HDMI GeForce 8300 Socket AM2+ onboard graphics 8 channel audio

ATX Motherboard Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 XMS2 Memory CL7 2.0V

Maxtor ST341000340AS 1TB Hard Drive SATA300 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM


Changed my mind again. lol, think this with work much better and I have cut costs. Only £550 EX VAT, and the Phenom is £160 shnur. Prob gunna buy this setup this afternoon. Any last thoughts.

Regards
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