Does any one have any information on this processor. By that i mean whether it is better than the current phenoms at the same frequency? If these new Athlon II X4s don't have a new better architecture compared to the current phenom's then they are truely rubbish, lol. There is no way how they can compete with Intel's speed performance, they end up just raising the frequency and still don't understand why intel processors are faster. Unless they have been brought out at a cheap price and have good performance for their price, or that when they come out they decrease the prices of the currently top Phenom 955 and 965 processors I would see the point in them. I'm neutral, i see the uses of both AMD and Intel.