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August 25, 2009 7:00:36 PM

i am going to by a new rig. I was considering this option. I am a noob when it comes to computers so i dont know if am missing anything. I will probably have someone put the computer together for me. But i want to buy my own parts, because last time i bought a computer it was from cyberpower and i had to return it twice. would this rig be worth the money. and how much do people normally charge for putting a rig together. Please tell me if i am wasting any money on these parts or if something will not be compatible. o and that is 2 gtx 275 there even though it does not say it. I also need a good liquid cooler.
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August 25, 2009 7:08:44 PM

O and i am running at 1920x 1200
August 25, 2009 7:19:39 PM

Is that a 3 way SLI motherboard? Are you intending to massively overkill by installing three graphics cards? Might be better to have a cheaper motherboard with just 2 PCI-e 16, and put two high end but not top end cards in. Such as two ATI 4890s or two GTX 275s. For gaming currently, i think that is a sensible configuration to get really amazing framerates. Apparently graphics cards scale better when they are put in dual configuration compared to in three or four, i am getting a pc built with dual cross fire x, it's safer, doesn't stress out your computer, and causes less overheating in the computer. Or maybe could you be thinking that this machine is going to last you sometime, and that you would like to have 3 way SLI so that you can stick in another high end card when the time comes where games become even more immense? Please tell me what your plans are as in are you wanting the best rig, one that will last you a very long time. Something sensible that will play games already at blistering framerates but not having to overspend on it.
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August 25, 2009 7:25:12 PM

Are you wanting a watercooler because you are interested in it and like the way it looks or that you want to do some serious overclocking. The i7 920 already is a beast of a processor you don't really need to overclock it over 4ghz maximum. You can overclock that high just using a good quality heatsink and fan or a cheap water cooling system like Domino A.L.C which is still expensive, but saves space and also looks nice. If you are bomb heavy rich, you can buy super water cooling, but i would concentrate on getting most out of your game rather than customising the computer too much. By the time new processors come out which will be a different architecture from the i7 there will be no point in overclocking it massively high. Lol look at the phenom 965, you can overclock it massively high but it still will never be as good really as a i7 at stock speed.
August 25, 2009 7:33:22 PM

yeah i guess i dont need tri sli board or water cooling
August 25, 2009 7:34:59 PM

do sound cards actually help improve the quality
August 25, 2009 7:45:04 PM

Do you want me to suggest a computer build. Have you ever gone on pcspecialist.co.uk. Or wait do you come from the USA? pcspecialist is really good they do good deals. I configured a high end computer bundle for £1298. I recommend you to make it sensible, don't spend lots on a case, buy something appropriate that isn't massively space consuming, looks nice and doesn't cost too much. Some LED lights, maybe a see through case side, but the best case is the most convenient case, a case that you can access parts easilly, some cases look really inconvenient. Good job you are going for intel i7 920 processor don't go for anything above unless you are very rich or not wanting to game because by the time you get a higher CPU you won't have enough for a good GPU. If you want something slightly cheaper, AMD phenom II 965 will do the job play games still at blistering framerates and by that i mean most games that require 128mb of graphics min over 80 FPS at maximum settings which is awsome. Anything over 60FPS is awsome, i think you could save a bit of money going for AMD instead of Intel for games. If you want to play games faster than the best single GPU (GTX 295) get 2 ATI 4890s which actually cost less and perform slightly better than a GTX 295 and work on the same PSU. How much space do you intend to use? If you consume alot of space i mean like you have 200 high end computer games then get a 1TB hdd. But i would recommend 640 GB hdd is more than enough.
August 25, 2009 7:45:08 PM

i found this motherboard EVGA 121-BL-E756-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 Micro ATX SLI Micro Intel Motherboard - Retail
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August 25, 2009 7:46:34 PM

okay
August 25, 2009 7:46:56 PM

You can get a sound card if you want i don't know if they improve quality really, you won't be able to tell the difference i don't think if you buy a good quality mainboard and stick good quality speakers on it. It's amazing how they offer sound cards up to £100 pounds, it not like they're graphics cards is it, seems a waste of money for sure.
August 25, 2009 7:52:51 PM

it's got 6 ram slots, do you need that many? That means you can have 12 gb of ram although 4gb is recommended. It only has one PCI slot and 1 PCI e slot. If you get good graphics cards they take up two slots you won't have any space to put any more cards into the normal PCI slots. That will take away privilage to put in wireless Lan card or sound card or TV tuner. Ok i will suggest a motherboard. Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R. Have a look how much that is that looks like a nice motherboard with plenty of spare PCI slots. Might be cheaper? gigabyte good quality, either way you will still be able to overclock to 4ghz.
August 25, 2009 7:53:50 PM

for intel i7 sorry i reccomend 6 cause they work best on 3 ram stick modules.
August 25, 2009 7:58:23 PM

Drop the sound card, you don't need one on an x58 board.
If you want to save money drop the EVga MB and video card. For the video I would crossfire either two 4850s, or if you want to go a step up, two 4870s...both solutions will cost less than the gtx275 and blow it away in performance.
For a MB, this MSI is the cheapest full feature board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
But my favorite is the p6t line...this one is in the middle and is on special today for $219 with a newegg promo code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 25, 2009 8:05:15 PM

But you don't really need a mobo with 3 PCI-e x16. Really lol. You don't need six ram slots either. 4 is enough, you can have up to 8 gb with 4 slots, you get a cheaper and smaller motherboard which is suited to you. But the quality still remains just as good. It means that you save more money for a better graphics card.
August 25, 2009 8:06:48 PM

I think that Gigabyte are well known for good overclocking as well
August 25, 2009 8:08:15 PM

I'll grab a 920 from microcenter and ship it to you for $240 : )
August 25, 2009 8:24:58 PM

Nashsafc said:
But you don't really need a mobo with 3 PCI-e x16. Really lol. You don't need six ram slots either. 4 is enough, you can have up to 8 gb with 4 slots, you get a cheaper and smaller motherboard which is suited to you. But the quality still remains just as good. It means that you save more money for a better graphics card.


I don't want to be rude, but you are in a little over your head here. x58 boards vary in quality and overclocking ability and stability. The cheap boards you keep referring to are just not good boards unless you are on a really tight budget. All i7 boards are triple channel, meaning you need at least 6gb for the memory controller to work correctly. Also, the micro atx boards you referring to will not overclock well and will have heat issues caused by poor voltage control. You have very limited upgrade options, because if you want to crossfire or sli you have to use a x8 or x4 slot, and then you lose access to all your other pci slots, meaning you have no expansion room if you need to add another pci card for something. Yes, you can get by with one of those cheaper boards, but I would recommend spending the extra $20 to get something like this (on sale for $219 w/promo code today)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 25, 2009 8:27:04 PM

Don't spend more than $80/£50 on a case. This is just the case on it's own. The computer is what's inside it, i see some really good looking computers with awsome looking cases but the specs are naff (krap) lol. Those cases cost as much as a graphics card ($200) lol.
August 25, 2009 8:29:07 PM

get a cooler master haf 922/932 for that price
August 25, 2009 8:30:48 PM

That isn't a micro atx board, it is a rather large ATX board. It can't be it has 5 PCI slots, and 2 pci express 16s. I7s can take 3 sticks of 1gb making 3gb or 3 sticks of 2gb making 6gb. It's good enough really, for games its enough. Games use 2.5 gb maximum i rekon. DDR3 ram anyway is very expensive. Gigabyte is a good company, so is that mobo it got good reviews you can overclock very decently with that mobo.
August 25, 2009 8:33:34 PM

The board i was showing wasn't a x58 mobo it was a lga- 1366 which is for the i7 processors. You don't need 12gb of ram unless you are running a server. You can have a maximum of 8gb on this mobo, 6gb is enough. DDR3 ram is expensive, you can't afford to be wasting 100s of dollars on more ram which won't make any difference in games.
August 25, 2009 8:36:03 PM

4870 yeah good. it depends how much balistic a framerate you want on your game. If you want to get a framerate near or above 60 fps in Crysis get 2 ATI 4890s. Or 2gtx 275s, but 4890s are better for value, you need to get a more powerful PSU with two GTX 275s because the waste much more power.
August 25, 2009 8:55:32 PM

Nashsafc said:
The board i was showing wasn't a x58 mobo it was a lga- 1366 which is for the i7 processors. You don't need 12gb of ram unless you are running a server. You can have a maximum of 8gb on this mobo, 6gb is enough. DDR3 ram is expensive, you can't afford to be wasting 100s of dollars on more ram which won't make any difference in games.

Okay....I'm trying not to be rude to you, but you really need to stop posting until you do a little research and get your facts straight. X58 is the chipset used on all i7 MBs. Lga 1366 is the socket design for the i7. ddr3 in the states is not much more expensive per GB than DDR2, and you cannot use DDR2 on an x58 MB. The gigabyte board you are referring to is not a bad board, but it does limit your options and is not nearly as good as the Asus board that is just slightly more. I appreciate your enthusiasm in trying to help the OP, but unfortunately your knowledge is lacking and is only serving to confuse the thread.
August 25, 2009 9:07:47 PM

Sorry lol i thought you were talking about the lg775 boards. Either way the processor can be overclocked to 4gz with both boards. Is it the P6T board you are talking about? Yes that would be a better board. Is that board not much more expensive than the Gigabyte one that i suggested if not yeah go for it. But stay with 6gb ram but either way if you don't really want to stick 12gb of ram on the long term eventually on your mobo it might be better to go for a cheaper still large board. Anyway for me belial2k i am going to customise an AMD phenom II 965 configuration for myself, for me the i7 config is £100 more expensive, but i know it would be worth it. i would get 6gb of ram oppsed to 4gb but the ram brand and frequency is both the same. But the board i suggested would be better than the board b0b95 had at first which was i think a micro atx board. For graphics depends on how intense you want your game, probably save money and go for 2 ati 4890s if you wanted 2 gtx 275s, since one gtx295 is beasty enough, 2 ati 4890s are better and cheaper so go for them. Is that so in America?
August 25, 2009 9:15:16 PM

In america right now the Asus p6t board is only $220, and the 4870s are $125 each, 6gb of 1600mhz DDR3 ram is about $100...so as you can see the performance you can get from these "inexpensive" parts is hard to beat no matter how much you spend. I do realize that prices here are different from other parts of the world, so you have to be careful when recommending components you are using prices specific to where the builder will live and buy his parts.
August 25, 2009 9:18:58 PM

how much are the ATI 4890s. Could i buy a pc from America and get it cheaper lol on the internet. But do they ship them?
August 25, 2009 9:20:56 PM

i think the ram is £92 here for 6gb 1600mhz corsair, i think that's $120 is it?
August 25, 2009 9:31:29 PM

I ship a lot overseas just for that very reason...Even with paying me to build and the shipping cost most people come out ahead of what their parts cost.
the 4890s are about $200 here, which is why I can't recommend them with the 4870s sitting at $125.
August 25, 2009 9:37:25 PM

hmm o right there is a price difference as i can see. But wait the 4870 you're recommending is it the 1gb version or the 512mb version. A 1gb ATI 4870 is £113. A 1gb 4890 is £143. A GTX 275 is £164. All these GPUs are from XFX.
August 25, 2009 9:38:45 PM

But with a GTX 275 you would need a more powerful PSU, wouldn't you, that's what i found out with having an i7 920, i had to have a 1010 watt real power PSU FOR 2 GTX 275s opposed to the 800 watt one i could stick with ATI. But can i still assist with bob95 since i may not know the prices in the United States. But i think the prices are fairly similar, just that in the UK they are a bit more expensive.
August 25, 2009 9:57:58 PM

All you need is a good 750w for crossfire 4890 or sli 275. At resolutions of 19x12 and below the amount of video ram is pretty unimportant. Don't buy the marketing hype. It doesn't really come into play until you hit higher resolutions.
August 25, 2009 10:02:55 PM

I know the gtx 275 is better, with my config on pcspecialist though i need to upgrade the PSU. I don't know could the small stuff like tv tuner, wireless internet lan be adding to the power consumption lol although i doubt it. Does the 275 only consume just a bit more power than the ATI 4890? How much more.
August 25, 2009 10:26:13 PM

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August 25, 2009 10:26:59 PM

only for 1200 $ tell me if i am missing something
August 25, 2009 10:32:24 PM

yeah that looks all good. I'd go phenom 965, lol wouldn't settle anything less than a 965 since the i7 920 is out, but i see your point it's cheaper to have 955 and you can overclock it. Good motherboard. In the future to you could get another ATI 4890. Makes sense what you have chosen. But for a bit more money if you can afford it you can get quite a lot more performance with an i7 processor. But i think if you jsut want to game, you will still get blistering performance with 955 processor, the intel 920 might be just 3-8 FPS faster.
August 25, 2009 10:37:12 PM

ZALMAN CNPS9900LED 120mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler does that cpu cooler support phenom 955
August 25, 2009 10:39:57 PM

o i have 2 in it it just does not show up
August 25, 2009 10:40:16 PM

Dell offers good computers too. The XPS looks interesting and the case looks sensible and very attractive.
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August 25, 2009 10:48:44 PM

is that really a good value cooler. It shouldn't cost over $65, i'm thinking that's the equivilant to £50 more or less.
August 25, 2009 10:49:09 PM

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21D 120mm Case Fan - Retail would this be helpful to help cool my computer
August 25, 2009 10:49:50 PM

the cpu cooler is rated 5 eggs on newegg so i picked it
August 25, 2009 10:50:15 PM

its 67$ not that bad
August 25, 2009 10:53:20 PM

yeah good. Is that the really attractive one with copper all over it lol. It looks like a jet engine of some sort. Yeah whatever makes your computer cooler get it. get as many fans as you can that will fit in your computer. 2 case fans i think should be enough inside computer. Plus you got the fan from the PSU, CPU, GPU. You can add a PCI fan which pulls hot air out from computer. Doesn't take up motherboard space so ok.
August 25, 2009 10:55:17 PM

will 2 4890 run crysis maxed out 2x AA
this is my last question because i got to go
August 26, 2009 7:16:10 AM

This is the most frustrating thread I have ever read. bob95 flip-flops back and forth between build ideas, and never gets any of them quite right...

Nashsafc doesn't really know what he's doing either, so it is the noobs advising the noobs. Someone that does have some knowledge and experience, Bilial2k, just gets ignored.

Good luck getting a quality build, bob.... A Zalman HSF? Zalman's and serious OC'ing don't mix. An EVGA microatx MB? That's even more humorous than a Zalman cooler for oc'ing. A silverstone 850w PSU? Silverstone makes good cases, not PSU's. And an 850W PSU of any good quality will run a small wire welder, total overkill for any build that bob has posted....

Bob, if you ever come back learn to listen to good advice.
August 26, 2009 9:40:58 AM

since i am a noob to computers and you seem to know more then everyone else on this thread can you show me a good rig under 1500 dollars.
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