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August 26, 2009 12:02:21 PM

I am building a new gaming rig and I am stuck between the i7 920 and q9650. They seem the same to me with becnhmarks and some games. this are the systems i want to buy with them:

i7 920@2.66ghz (overclocking to 3.6 or trying higher)
Asus p6t intel x58 chipset
Evga Gtx 260 c216 in 2 way SLI
Thermaltake water cooling 850i
700w PSU from coolermaster
OCZ platinum 1600mhz cl7 triple channel 6gb
$1362,93

Q9650@3.0 ghz (overclocking to 3.6 but hopes for 4.0ghz+)
Xfx 790i Ultra sli Nforce 790i chipset
Evga Gtx 260 c216 in 2 way SLI
Thermaltake water cooling 850i
700w PSU from coolermaster
OCZ flex ex 2000mhz cl8 dual channel 4gb
$1351,47

Im quite the money spender and budget is $1400 Which one to choose for Hardcore gaming and overclocking? Thanks a bunch!

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August 26, 2009 1:42:11 PM

i7 920, of course. It gives you the option to update in the future. I would buy Corsair or OCZ instead of Coolermaster psu. Also I wouldn't buy that water cooling. You can buy aircooling much better and cheaper of course.
August 26, 2009 2:19:53 PM

The much cheaper is fine but water cooling is way better isn't it? and the i7 is very high temp if i look at some pictures on google. And whats the difference between Corsair,Ocz and Coolermaster psu?
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i7 920, of course. It gives you the option to update in the future.
And does intel continue with the 1366 socket? or in what perspective do you mean update in the future?
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August 26, 2009 2:53:24 PM

1. No. That water coolling is not even better. Aircooling from Thermalright, Prolimatech or Noctua is much better, cheaper and a lot quiter.
2. The difference is quality between this psu. See below.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/759/9
3. Intel is preparing a six-core cpu for sk 1366 so you have this option.
August 26, 2009 3:23:23 PM

ok thanks only 1 thing about the water cooling. Why should it be worser then air cooling? Water (liquid) cooling can cool with more power and lower temp. because water can be lower then room temperture with good cooling (if im right, im not rlly a expert ;)  )
August 26, 2009 3:43:46 PM

aah soz thought you meant water cooling general indeed. and yea i see it think i need to do some fine searching again for i7 rig then. Thanks for ya help :D 
August 26, 2009 3:53:12 PM

Go phenom II 965. They are cheaper than the Q9650 configuration and they have DDR3 motherboards so you can get better ram. The overall cost should actually be cheaper than the q9650 and the phenom 965 gives about the same performance, in some games it has even better performance. If you get a phenom 955 or 965 you can save over $100 dollars i think compared to the i7 configuration.
August 26, 2009 3:59:22 PM

Ok for $1400 budget. Go i7. Get 2 ATI 4890s in CFX. Don't get one gtx 295, if you ever concider because two ATI 4890s are cheaper and actually give more performance in alot more games. They say that with good air cooling you can overclock the i7 920 to 4ghz no problem. Think about Asus Triton 81? I don't know if you can get good watercooling in that budget, lol maybe just a Domino A.L.C for that budget.
August 26, 2009 3:59:44 PM

Definitely the Core i7(920) and the P6T compared to the Q9550 and the 790i (which always had problems) .

Another Mobo you might want to look at is this one that seems to be a dark horse candidate.
ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also a very great price on the Ram you choose at Amazom.com which is around $30.00 cheaper then NewEgg has it now.
OCZ OCZ3P1600LV6GK DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz 6GB Platinum XTC Triple Channel Kits $113.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-OCZ3P1600LV6GK-PC3-12800-1600...




August 26, 2009 4:04:01 PM

What about Corsair ram, isn't that also good, comes at the same frequency and costs less. Like under $100? The XMS3 1600mhz.
August 26, 2009 4:07:35 PM

Omg is tha true that the Domino A.L.C is actully that good. I mean when it is on full power. It's quie cheap as well.
August 26, 2009 4:18:11 PM

Nashsafc said:
What about Corsair ram, isn't that also good, comes at the same frequency and costs less. Like under $100? The XMS3 1600mhz.

Corsair is very good ram, but it is expensive and could you link where you found Corsair XMS3 6gb (3x2gb) triple channel is at. Since all of those at NewEgg are higher prices.

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August 26, 2009 4:54:41 PM

the 9650 is only superior in cache intensive situations
August 26, 2009 5:17:03 PM

better than the PHENOM II 965? What would be cache intensive situations? Is Core 2 Quad actually only very slightly better than the phenom 965 in terms of performance or has the phenom II beaten it yet, better even by 2 seconds or1-2 framerates?
August 26, 2009 6:23:20 PM

O right. Fancy. Is it really that much. i thought 90 GBP was like $120
August 26, 2009 6:29:06 PM

Corsair H50 is better and cheaper than Domino so is a good alternative.
August 26, 2009 6:36:02 PM

hefox said:
Corsair H50 is better and cheaper than Domino so is a good alternative.

Yes it might be, but after 6months to a year you will see a rise in temperture due to the liquid(water) in the self contain close system of being cooked off and that is at stock settings. :pfff: 
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August 26, 2009 6:36:31 PM

^+1, dont no of any cache intensive situations, i just knoww they exist, but, for gaming, x58 will always b the better choice
August 26, 2009 9:30:00 PM

actually I thought of all those options but for the Phenom II 965 i need a good ddr3 motherboard am3, that isn't here quite yet. MSI is making one and is planning for release soon, the nf980 g65 Its a very good mobo with ddr3 up to 2133 mhz and 3 way sli. And for something else then water cooler.
what is the best air cooler fo cpu on the market today? compared with price-performance?
But the i7 has some issues with the cache...(or threads)? My friend has one and the i7 is quite...buggy. i got higher fps on some of the simplest games like l4d. and ive got a 2ghz dual core :S and he has better gpu (4890) i got 260 c216.
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August 26, 2009 11:37:47 PM

Nashsafc said:
better than the PHENOM II 965? What would be cache intensive situations? Is Core 2 Quad actually only very slightly better than the phenom 965 in terms of performance or has the phenom II beaten it yet, better even by 2 seconds or1-2 framerates?


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=102&p2=49

Phenom II 965 BE = 20 wins

Core2 Q9650 = 11 wins.

Just like the rest of the compared cpu's (940vQ9400, 955vQ9550 etc), the phenom II's are generally ahead in 50% more of the tested benchmarks. The Phenom II's are just better than Core2's, it's a plain fact and there is no point at all in buying Core2 anymore.
August 27, 2009 10:37:24 AM

But isn't the Phenom II 965 exactly same as the 955? only higher clocked? just like the plan for the 3.6 ghz isn't it al just the same, only clocked by AMD and for a higher price?

@xaira: Thanks for the list of fans :) 
August 27, 2009 10:49:37 AM

jennyh said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=102&p2=49

Phenom II 965 BE = 20 wins

Core2 Q9650 = 11 wins.

Just like the rest of the compared cpu's (940vQ9400, 955vQ9550 etc), the phenom II's are generally ahead in 50% more of the tested benchmarks. The Phenom II's are just better than Core2's, it's a plain fact and there is no point at all in buying Core2 anymore.



Only that Core 2s still have a better archtiecutre, the QX9770 still rapes the phenom II 965, but then so it does with the i7 920 in some games. If Intel were to make a 3.4 ghz core 2 quad, phenom would also be raped. Lol. But then in price terms the phenom II makes it's point. I don't see why the q9650 costs a lot more than the q9550. Is it because of low stock levels? And then also phenom II 955 and 965 is multiplier unlocked so it is better than the top range core 2 quads but then does it overclock as much or even higher, and is there a lot more performance gained compared to the top core 2 quads? Phenom II architecture should have been the original phenom when it came out lol, or is the architecture the same more or less?
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August 27, 2009 11:38:08 AM

No Nashsafc, you're talking garbage. How can Core 2s have better architecture and consistently be slower than the Phenom II's?

So the 9770 is all that is left, something like 1 in a million cpu's that got lucky no doubt. It won't be long before Phenom II overtakes that as well.

Phenom II is 8 months old, Core 2 is 34 months old. Yep, the Phenom II's have far better architecture. How much faster do you think the Phenom II's would be in 26 months time?
August 27, 2009 12:08:08 PM

The phenom II's are faster partly because they are clocekd faster. The phenom II 965 manages to just beat the q9650 because it is clocked 0.4 ghz faster lol. The q9650 still manages to be able to beat the phenom in a number of applications inlcuding Far Cry 2 as well. I don't have an intel processor, and i'm not strongly supporting any side. Also the phenom II 965 consumes the most power, 140 watts that's more than what the q9650 consumes. But the P2 965 consumes less power at idle though.
August 27, 2009 12:10:37 PM

lol look at the p2 940 versus the q9650. The q9650 is quite a bit faster and at the same frequency. I know the Core 2 Quad is older, but that's just how it is, i am no intel fanboy. Lol
August 27, 2009 12:17:29 PM

For JennyH
You sound like a fanboy. Relax. If is like you say, AMD has a big problem if they manage after 2 year to have a better arhitecture.
The conclusion is clear for SJEF29: Buy i7!
August 27, 2009 12:26:25 PM

I think that Intel has done very well bringing out that i7 920, because it doesn't cost that much more than the p2 965, this is when you have bought the motherboard and processor plus ram. I am still in the process of waiting for a gaming computer lol. I will be buying a p2 965 though, but compensating it with two ATI 4890s so i'll still get 120 FPS in most games lol such as battlefield 2 or Rainbow Six Vegas 2. I7 920 doesn't seem to be that much more performance giving i mean when you are not running a lot of background applications at the same time. I think i will stick with AMD ATI combination.
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August 27, 2009 3:24:08 PM

The same frequency doesn't matter...anyway the Q9650 has double the cache of the 940? And the 965 BE for that matter. Is that less important that 400mhz?

I wish people would stop talking crap about better architectures etc. The facts couldn't be clearer - compare the equivalent phenom II to its core 2 counterpart and the phenom's win 2/3rd's of anandtech's benchmarks every time.
August 27, 2009 3:50:17 PM

It could be argued that they are better because of the price and performance. Phenom II are ofcourse at the moment doing better than the top range Core 2 Quads. But those are more or less out dated now, and i7 920 seems to be much better for price and performance. Better architecture means better art of engineering, which is more impressive than something that just looks fast and is not. Core 2 quad having lower frequency but high performance does matter because it means it has more potential. If Intel were to continue Core 2 quad and bring out a 3.4ghz version i don't see AMD bringing out a 4ghz processor to compete with it because i don't think they could officialy clock them that high yet.
August 27, 2009 3:58:47 PM

I'm guessing that qx9770 are low in availability and expensive because of the new i7 processors? Intel decided not too sell any more qx9770? If AMD were to produce a new architecture, would the processors be compatible with the current AM3 motherboards. I don't see the point now in AMD producing processors over 3.4ghz on the same architecture, or maybe they could increase the cache size.
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August 27, 2009 9:51:36 PM

i dont think amd has any new architectures planned for the near future, the p2 will get a die shrink to 32nm, the current six cores fit in socket f, so maybe if they decide to add two extra cores to the p2 architecture they will work on am3, that is entirely possible, but gulftown will crush it. there are talks around the net that theyll keep hiking clocks, until 4.0ghz, but i doubt theyll go farther than 3.6, reminiscent of the prestler xe days aint it?
August 27, 2009 9:53:32 PM

that sounds good, who will reach 32nm first? Has intel already done that.
August 27, 2009 9:55:50 PM

I hope they will overclock well though. I heard bad reviews about overclocking the 965 that they only managed to get it to 3.8ghz or 4ghz. With i7 920 which is 2.6ghz can overclock to 3.8ghz or 4ghz. Core 2 quad can clock better?
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August 27, 2009 9:56:52 PM

i7 by all means.
August 27, 2009 10:46:55 PM

lol i don't think i can afford it. i have a computer configured for £1105 with an AMD phenom II 965. The Intel I7 config would costs just £100 more. But then i get 2gb more ram. Do you think for £100 pounds more i should save it. Just to let you know i don't want to buy better peripherals like monitor, keyboard or speakers. The ones i have configured for £1298 are fine. If i had the i7 it would be £1400 then. Also i get the same ram brand and frequency with the AMD configuration.
August 28, 2009 8:45:17 AM

What is £100 compare with £1300? Almost 8%? And you get an arhitecture that it start to improve now where PII's arhitecture, I think, it's close to its limite and only the shrink to 32 nm will squize some "juice" from this arhitecture.
August 28, 2009 10:34:15 AM

The thing is, is do i really need an i7? All i'm going to do is game and install programs like games lol on it. A bit of microsoft word if i have to lol. But not much. I don't know what video encoding is and neither do i do it. So in what way can this quad core give me performance such as if i have my game minimised and am watching a film on windows media player or opening up some web programs. Maybe a dual core will still suite me, but now that i have bought Crysis and with previous experience playing games at poor framerates i never want to have a slow computer again. For just gaming i know the i7 is slightly faster but would i be better of with an AMD phenom II 965 for £100 less?
August 28, 2009 11:41:49 AM

Nashsafc said:
The thing is, is do i really need an i7? All i'm going to do is game and install programs like games lol on it. A bit of microsoft word if i have to lol. But not much. I don't know what video encoding is and neither do i do it. So in what way can this quad core give me performance such as if i have my game minimised and am watching a film on windows media player or opening up some web programs. Maybe a dual core will still suite me, but now that i have bought Crysis and with previous experience playing games at poor framerates i never want to have a slow computer again. For just gaming i know the i7 is slightly faster but would i be better of with an AMD phenom II 965 for £100 less?

The Core i7 is the Best right now, but if you can wait until the Core i5/P55 come out near the end of Sept/mid Oct. you probally could save the £100 and then some. Since the higest P55 mobo will be around $200 usd and the Core i5's will range from low $200 to $280 usd. Plus it will use DDR3 Dual Channel ram.
August 28, 2009 11:46:26 AM

which motherboards will the i5s work on. Will they be better than the phenom II's top range? How many cores are they i heard you can make them so one core works and overclock it very high, is that true? So if i wait that long would it be worth buying i5 processor instead if i'm going to pay up to £200 on a processor. For motherboard, willing to pay £150 or under.
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August 28, 2009 11:48:58 AM

I7 any day, although you might want to think about PII 965.
August 28, 2009 11:53:36 AM

I think with my computer that i'll be buying soon i'll be getting a 955, not because it's cheaper but because you can overclock it 200 mhz more to make it 3.4ghz and it doesn't consume 140 watts like the 965 does. I don't think the 965 justifies consuming that much more power. I compare it to the q9650 which consumes less power and has better performance per frequency and it's embarrassing lol.
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August 28, 2009 11:58:08 AM

And when PII 965 goes neck to neck with 920 in gaming, encryption and some other advanced tasks, I doubt that I5 will bring a revolution. It will lose every advantage that made I7 a little faster than PII in the first place (triple channel memory etc.), and will have an architecture closer to the already obsolete Core2.
August 28, 2009 12:00:22 PM

which motherboard will the core i5 fit onto?
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August 28, 2009 12:40:55 PM

LGA 1156.
August 28, 2009 12:55:40 PM

so that's a new board then and what ram does it take? Coud i fit ddr3 corsair 1600mhz?
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