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June 12, 2009 9:23:51 AM

According to fudzilla ATI has slashed its hd-4000 prices. The rumors suggest 5870 the mainstream card to be the speed of 2 4870s which means that 2 4870s will be below 250 euros. Typically the 5870 will be 300 at launch and will probably be a bad bargain especially for the money, though it may consume less power. Note that no dx11 games have been confirmed, so will the 5870 be faster than 4870x2?

The 4770 is very powerful as a vessel chip and 3870x2=4870 in dx9, but comes equal to 4850 in dx10.

According to the pricing the 5870 may be equivalent to the speed between 4870x2 and 4890x2.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14197/1/

the link is above this sentence.

No flaming me pls and lots of suggestions would be great. Personally what do u guys think about SC2. Will PII 940@3.6-3.8 with hd-5000 run the game and maximum settings minimum fps of 15? Thinking about DX11 games q3 2010. high schooln tests at Q2 so no more gaming :D .

BTW is NZXT lexa up to CM HAF922 worth the cash.

June 12, 2009 10:20:56 AM

Still too early to make predictions i son't think the improvements in dx11 will be so drastic compared to dx10.1 so i would not be surprised if the 5870 has a similar dx10.1 performance to the 4870x2 however it is too early to make predictons on this one we are just going to have to wait till more info leaks.
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June 12, 2009 11:01:42 AM

I predict the drivers will still be rubbish.
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June 12, 2009 11:05:36 AM

Mousemonkey said:
I predict the drivers will still be rubbish.

actually ati has improved a lot on their drivers unless you are one of those people who never updated their old windows xp and than compalined when they had driver issues with their 4870 (or better still you probably don't even own one and talk from you experience with some old card lol)
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June 12, 2009 11:23:19 AM

roosevelton 1 - mousemonkey -0

and some one answer my question? I agree with roose cause vista sp2 with newest drivers rock :D 
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June 12, 2009 2:20:26 PM

who never updated their old windows xp said:
who never updated their old windows xp


i agree, a lot of XP users are stuck on vanilla SP2. good thing most driver cd's comes with the very important .net 2.0 framework which probably cuts half of the driver concerns in half.
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June 12, 2009 2:42:03 PM

As to perf, it is too early. But a few things to ponder. The massive price reductions currently going on, with 4850s selling for below 100$ (or planned to ), the ealy showing of the mysterious DX11 card recently, and by the end of the month, we should know when the new cards wil be out (according to rumor), it seems ATI's high end single will fall somewheres between a 4870x2 and the 4890. Thats a safe bet. Like Ape says, hope for the best, expect the worst.
It may be much closer to the x2 than the 4890 tho, and if they actually make/patch DX11 games, using its implementations, maybe well see x2 perf, never know
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June 12, 2009 3:22:50 PM

rooseveltdon said:
actually ati has improved a lot on their drivers unless you are one of those people who never updated their old windows xp and than compalined when they had driver issues with their 4870 (or better still you probably don't even own one and talk from you experience with some old card lol)

Then you didn't see the posts from 4770 owners then?
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June 12, 2009 3:48:09 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Then you didn't see the posts from 4770 owners then?


Come one this is a weak argument. If I look in the GFX forum I see people with Nvidia driver problems too... OMG NVIDIA is FAIL at making drivers!!@!!111

99% of the people are posting with problems. Most people don't post up and say:
"Just successfully installed drivers for my 4770 /yawn"
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June 12, 2009 4:14:43 PM

The problem wasnt really the drivers with the 4770. It was ATI insting on releasing it BEFORE the drivers were out. So partners released it with half assed modified drivers, and no two releases even had identical drviers. The drivers are alright for them now that the official releases are out and about. But there were a lot of people unable to crossfire for the first coulpe of weeks due to whatever crap the card came with and called drivers. For a time a few people simply had to leave the 4770's sittign thier while the official driver releases got pushed back.

Not exactly a good idea on ATI's part.. but I'm sure teh amrketing department and Driver support folks argue about release dates all the time.. Marketing jsut one that round.
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June 12, 2009 6:19:32 PM

stop spreading rumours... :p 
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June 12, 2009 7:50:38 PM

witcherx said:
stop spreading rumours... :p 

According to Euphoria_MK it's not a rumour.
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June 12, 2009 8:21:03 PM

I would have to expect this card to be considered a new "flagship" of the ATI line, especially due to the naming convention. As such, based on wishful thinking, I would expect it to perform as good as the 4870x2 or better, but not worse than the 4890, Nvidia is the camp that has a habit of releasing new cards with no significant upgrades. I hope ATI doesn't follow suit.
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June 12, 2009 8:41:41 PM

I predict that the launch drivers will crash 50% of the time but will probably be acceptably stable the following week :D . Anyway I don't know about twice as fast as the 4870. The die would be too big and trying to do too much at once to reach those lofty goals will result in another power eating monster 2900XT. I say that it may be significantly faster than the 4890, but still a little weaker than the 4870X2. Of course the replacement for the 4870X2 (probably be called the 5870X2) will be the real flag ship product and should be faster than the GTX295 (Even the crazy Asus dual GTX285 version).
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June 12, 2009 8:43:47 PM

Follow suit?, or revert back to the days of the 2400, 2600 and 2900?
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June 12, 2009 8:48:10 PM

megamanx00 said:
I predict that the launch drivers will crash 50% of the time but will probably be acceptably stable the following week :D . Anyway I don't know about twice as fast as the 4870. The die would be too big and trying to do too much at once to reach those lofty goals will result in another power eating monster 2900XT. I say that it may be significantly faster than the 4890, but still a little weaker than the 4870X2. Of course the replacement for the 4870X2 (probably be called the 5870X2) will be the real flag ship product and should be faster than the GTX295 (Even the crazy Asus dual GTX285 version).

[:mousemonkey:5]
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June 12, 2009 9:13:05 PM

rooseveltdon said:
actually ati has improved a lot on their drivers unless you are one of those people who never updated their old windows xp and than compalined when they had driver issues with their 4870 (or better still you probably don't even own one and talk from you experience with some old card lol)


Yeah right, so that explains this one then huh?.
Jacks_85 said:
hey guys this is really frusturating me!

so i have a amd phenom ii x4 955 on a asus m4a78t-e mother board. i am trying to get my radeon 4850 cards to crossfire and my second card won't detect in windows vista...

i know the two card work b/c i swap them with each other...but i am not sure if the second pci slot works?

can somebody give me some insight on this?

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June 13, 2009 12:16:20 AM

Mousemonkey said:
I predict the drivers will still be rubbish.

but thats only if you buy an nvidia card
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June 13, 2009 12:36:25 AM

rangers said:
but thats only if you buy an nvidia card

Lamest riposte so far.
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June 13, 2009 12:40:40 AM

ATI will be fine. I hear nVidia is renaming their drivers 9.4, 9.5 etc, so all is good
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June 13, 2009 1:02:48 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
ATI will be fine. I hear nVidia is renaming their drivers 9.4, 9.5 etc, so all is good

It'll be quicker to type out if that's the case, but as I don't have to update them every month I don't suppose it'll matter. ;) 
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June 13, 2009 1:18:21 AM

To me, having the blip of the 4770s is nothing compared to the months long failure of the DX10 nVidia cards attempt on Vista. I believe its still listed as the highest cause for Vista crashes, so, whatever.
OK, so back OT. My rumor about release dates on these cards come from here
http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=n...

"According to our information, a decision on the launch date towards the end of June very plausible, as TSMC, the second generation 40nm manufacturing process based on the RV740 will test and then the success in optimizing the yield rate is a precise decision whether to use the RV870 possible. "

So, in other words, depending on how the relaunch goes with the 40nm process at TSMC, will depend on when these cards are launched, and according to everything Ive heard, TSMC actually shut down the 40nm line to correct the bad yields they were getting, and is why theres no amount of 4770s in stock almost anywheres.
So, if all goes well at TSMC, these cards could be coming sooner than expected
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June 13, 2009 1:47:21 AM

Ati like their blips then, as according to Euphoria_MK they had another 'blip' back in November 2008 when the HD 4850x2 was available but dual GPU Graphic cards were not officially supported by ATI's drivers. But yeah whatever.
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June 13, 2009 1:52:40 AM

Itd be the same if say, EVGA came out with a dual 285 on their own. Itd be awhile before nVidia actually made decent drivers for that specific card.
And the 4850x2 is still considered one of the best buys price/perf to this day
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June 13, 2009 2:41:11 AM

I'm sure that Nvidia can't launch its DX11 cards anytime soon. By the time GTX360 comes out ATI has a 5890 on the market own that card again.

As far as i see it vista SP2 and 9.6 driver are perfect and never crash. ATI tend to have smaller cards and the sapphire vapor-x cards are the best.

I have never experienced any driver problems , but for those who they either have crappy Windows XP which doesn't even DX10 neither the DX11. Vista XP2 is good and ATI has good drivers.

My prediction ATI>Nvidia next generation.
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June 13, 2009 3:12:21 AM

rescawen said:
I'm sure that Nvidia can't launch its DX11 cards anytime any time soon. By the time GTX360 comes out is released ATI has will have a 5890 on the market and will own that card again.

As far as i I see it vista SP2 and 9.6 driver are perfect and never crash. ATI tend to have smaller cards and the sapphire vapor-x cards are the best.

I have never experienced any driver problems , but for those who do they either have crappy Windows XP which doesn't even support DX10 neither the or DX11. Vista XP2 is good and ATI has good drivers.

My prediction ATI>Nvidia next generation.

Your grammar is terrible, almost as bad as your fanaticism, almost.
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June 13, 2009 3:25:29 AM

Die random-pointless-prediction-troll-thread Die !! [:thegreatgrapeape:7]
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