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Really killing myself over 4890 -4850X2, help me out

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June 13, 2009 6:33:22 AM

Hi guys

I've been asking around and looking at tons of benchmarks and I just can't decide.

My specs at the moment are.

windows xp 32bit
Quad Core Q6600 2.4ghz
ASUS P5N-E SLI mobo
2GB GDDR3 RAM
Nvidia 8800GT GPU

In anticipation for ArmA 2 I'm hoping to upgrade my now old horse 8800gt to something new and shiny. I've been crushing over the 4890 and 4850X2 but I just can't decide which to jump on.

The resolution I play on is 1600X1200 or 1920X1200 on my 24" ACER monitor. I would like to be able to run games like GTAIV, crysis and ArmA 2 on high-max settings with a nice framerate and needless to say, it's no longer possible with my 8800.

So if you guys can help me out, I've already read several threads here on the same subject but I'm hoping to get some better information for my particular situation.

Oh! I know it's the wrong section but if I could also get someone to tell me if I buy new ram do I need to buy the exact same brand and/or type as my other ram sticks?

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June 13, 2009 11:06:05 AM

go for 4850X2 it's a little better then 4890 ..but have alot of power needs ...
June 13, 2009 12:22:55 PM

I wouldn't go for the HD4850X2 althrough its a great card, as its = a HD4870, I would get the HD4890.

and may I ask, why are you going for ATI cards when you got a SLI mobo? could go for a GTX275 or a OC GTX260 its up to you, but you can't crossfire with that board.

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a c 271 U Graphics card
June 13, 2009 12:28:28 PM

How about a GTX275 that's faster than a standard HD4890?
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2009 1:19:17 PM

Go with an nvidia card since you can sli later. A gtx260 should be plenty for most games, depending on resolution.
June 13, 2009 4:22:56 PM

Well my budget is 2-250. I was suggested the 4850x2 and 4890 on another forum, after seeing benchmarks it seemed like a sound investment.

After looking around, the GTX 275 does look nice though, the OC version(newegg) is above budget though. Any particular brand to be considered?

Crap, after looking through the cards it looks like I'll need a new PSU, any advice on what (cheap) 6-700 watt psu I should get?
June 13, 2009 4:36:42 PM

bishop113 said:
Well my budget is 2-250. I was suggested the 4850x2 and 4890 on another forum, after seeing benchmarks it seemed like a sound investment.

After looking around, the GTX 275 does look nice though, the OC version(newegg) is above budget though. Any particular brand to be considered?

Crap, after looking through the cards it looks like I'll need a new PSU, any advice on what (cheap) 6-700 watt psu I should get?


If you don't have the budget. Save up =) The parts you need are parts that you shouldn't save on imo.
a c 177 U Graphics card
June 13, 2009 5:29:36 PM

+1 Armi on the PSU; Do n't get some cheap, no brand unit, they often lack good protection and can destroy a system if they pop and frequently do not deliver the power they claim.
You would be better served with a 'lower' wattage, quality unit from a good maker such as: Pc Power and Cooling, OCZ, Silverstone, Corsair or Antec. Look to about 650 Watts for SLI or 550 for a single card but by all means get more if the price is right.
As for the card it will depend on how long you are going to keep the existing rig, the longer you want to keep it, the more you should spend now, or you'll just end up paying for another upgrade next year.
If you feel OK with SLI, get a GTX260, it's plenty for most games at your resoloution and you can add another later.
If you do n't like SLI, the GTX275 is nearly as fast as the GTX285, a lot less wedge and will keep the system viable until it is time to replace it.
As for brand/maker: BFG, EVGA and XFX have the best warranties, just remember to register the card to get full coverage.
June 13, 2009 11:14:12 PM

I'm not going to SLI, ever. It just doesn't feel like enough gain to bother spending the money, even after they go down in price.

So it looks like the 275 will be fine for my needs, as for PSU, I don't mean cheap as in, trash, I just want the cheapest 'quality' psu I can get.

This looks like the cheapest I can get, 550w OCZ.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Comes with pre-sleeved cables, which is fantastic because I spent hours sleeving my current PSU with ultra violent sleeves.

As for saving up, I don't mind spending money on parts but I want this to all be up and running around the 20th.
June 13, 2009 11:55:08 PM

Iwouldn't get cheap PSUs or you will regreat it
June 14, 2009 12:35:40 AM

an overclocked 4890 will wipe the flour with an overclocked 275, get one that hits 1000GHz
and a 275 wont touch it overclocked or not
June 14, 2009 6:23:26 AM

What would you guys suggest as a PSU + GPU combination if my price range was 500$?
a c 177 U Graphics card
June 14, 2009 11:27:28 AM

@ Bishop113: You're deep into the law of diminishing returns at that price point, particularly with a *relatively* slow CPU.
Without going with the GTX295 or HD4870X2 the only faster card is the GTX285, which is, in my opinion, just not worth the extra cash.
Rangers may have a point about the overclocked HD4890, but unless you get a factory warranted card there is no way to guarantee any card will overclock to 1GHz and I would not base a purchase decision on what might be.
June 14, 2009 3:15:38 PM

'rangers, they all can with a voltage tweak(asus has it anyway) but the fan needs to be set high making the card noisy, so the atmoic is the best for that, but it does come at a price
June 14, 2009 3:15:45 PM

'rangers, they all can with a voltage tweak(asus has it anyway) but the fan needs to be set high making the card noisy, so the atmoic is the best for that, but it does come at a price
June 14, 2009 3:15:48 PM

@rangers, they all can with a voltage tweak(asus has it anyway) but the fan needs to be set high making the card noisy, so the atmoic is the best for that, but it does come at a price
June 14, 2009 11:34:41 PM

the xfx 4890 is $200 free shipping on newegg... xfx covers overclocking, so thats better than any other option u might be considering and you dont need to spend the extra $50... if u want a little less there's an xfx 4870 1gb for $150 free shipping...

if u dont plan to go sli it doesnt make sense to get an nvidia card atm because unlike ati they didnt slash their prices and their cards are a bit overpriced... considering a evga or xfx 275 are both $250 or more and not better than the 4890 counterpart...

and this is an awesome psu...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

both for around $300 and they're both top notch brands...
June 14, 2009 11:35:18 PM

the xfx 4890 is $200 free shipping on newegg... xfx covers overclocking, so thats better than any other option u might be considering and you dont need to spend the extra $50... if u want a little less there's an xfx 4870 1gb for $150 free shipping...

if u dont plan to go sli it doesnt make sense to get an nvidia card atm because unlike ati they didnt slash their prices and their cards are a bit overpriced... considering a evga or xfx 275 are both $250 or more and not better than the 4890 counterpart...

and this is an awesome psu...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

both for around $300 and they're both top notch brands...
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 12:48:33 AM

rangers said:
an overclocked 4890 will wipe the flour with an overclocked 275, get one that hits 1000GHz
and a 275 wont touch it overclocked or not

Sounds fun :bounce: 

Where could I obtain one of these 1THz 4890s? :D 
June 15, 2009 1:09:47 AM

Nica Guy said:
the xfx 4890 is $200 free shipping on newegg... xfx covers overclocking, so thats better than any other option u might be considering and you dont need to spend the extra $50... if u want a little less there's an xfx 4870 1gb for $150 free shipping...

if u dont plan to go sli it doesnt make sense to get an nvidia card atm because unlike ati they didnt slash their prices and their cards are a bit overpriced... considering a evga or xfx 275 are both $250 or more and not better than the 4890 counterpart...

and this is an awesome psu...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

both for around $300 and they're both top notch brands...



I was thinking about that last night, I also wouldn't have to buy a new power supply for the 4890 since I already have a 500w. Maybe then I can afford the TackIR for ArmA2 !
June 15, 2009 1:10:05 AM

EDIT double post.
June 15, 2009 2:46:51 AM

there u go... best move imo
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 12:10:20 PM

4890. Dual cards simply lose driver support too quickly to be a long term solution, as far as i'm concerned.
June 15, 2009 12:16:32 PM

ATI is probably realeasing new gpus in q3 so wait nub
June 15, 2009 1:46:21 PM

gamerk316 said:
4890. Dual cards simply lose driver support too quickly to be a long term solution, as far as i'm concerned.



driver support o.O


use same drivers....just diffrent card :p 


and I heard romers that even current gen ATI cards can have DX11, as 10.1 is techinacly just that, and waiting till septermber (next year for Nvida) is a long wait
June 15, 2009 3:53:14 PM

I've decided to go 4890 and pickup a new CPU fan so I can overclock both.
June 15, 2009 4:49:34 PM

Why has no one suggested picking up an additional 8800gt on the cheap?

8800gt in SLI still competes pretty well.
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 5:01:47 PM

tarheelfan said:
Why has no one suggested picking up an additional 8800gt on the cheap?

8800gt in SLI still competes pretty well.


bishop113 said:
I'm hoping to upgrade my now old horse 8800gt to something new and shiny.


bishop113 said:
I'm not going to SLI, ever.



I'm guessing the OP wouldn't be interested.
June 15, 2009 5:38:22 PM

8800Gt like mine is near impossible to come by new anyways.
June 15, 2009 5:45:03 PM

yes it is, and I bleive before someone put another 8800...no cos it will be blown away by the current gen cards easy and its very hard to get new
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 5:48:11 PM

bishop113 said:
8800Gt like mine is near impossible to come by new anyways.

Why?, what's so special about it?
June 15, 2009 5:52:22 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Why?, what's so special about it?



They're just hard to come by these days. And from my understanding you can only SLI with identical cards right?
June 15, 2009 5:56:19 PM

Slightly difficult, not impossible. You can add any 8800gt now. It doesn't have to be same exact brand anymore. 8800GT SLI hangs with Geforce 280, 285 as far as performance goes. That money he spends could upgrade PSU, Vid card and maybe find an upgrade on the CPU within price. Or just temporarily upgrade vid card and save for next gen CPU.
June 15, 2009 5:58:39 PM

I guess that's true but not all games support SLI optimization. That's the main thing that puts me off, it might improve in some things but it might just fall flat on others, I like to have solid performance.
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 6:03:48 PM

bishop113 said:
I guess that's true but not all games support SLI optimization. That's the main thing that puts me off, it might improve in some things but it might just fall flat on others, I like to have solid performance.

As tarheelfan has mentioned any 8800GT will do but if you already have a 512 version do not get a 256 version as you will end up with two 256 cards, and I find that the vast majority of games support SLI and have done for the last four years or so.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 6:07:07 PM

Really? Considering the 4850 = 8800GT, to say that the 8800GT would be "blown away" might be taking things a bit too far...
June 15, 2009 6:09:04 PM

I see, well maybe going SLI would be better in this case. Judging by user benchmarks it does seem to beat the 4890 by quite a bit.

How much wattage do I need to run SLI? And does my 500w PSU bottleneck Overclocking?
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 6:15:45 PM

The 8800GT really is the 'little card that could' and two of the become greater than the sum of their parts, I've been running them in SLI for a year and a half now @ 1680 x 1050 res and nothing has been unplayable or had issues, a fast CPU is a 'must have' though.
June 15, 2009 6:26:16 PM

Yeah I've been happy with my 8800 until GTAIV came out and it slaughtered it with it's incredibly high benchmarks.
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 6:28:31 PM

bishop113 said:
Yeah I've been happy with my 8800 until GTAIV came out and it slaughtered it with it's incredibly high benchmarks.

From what I've read that game is very CPU dependent.
June 15, 2009 6:32:58 PM

Well the way the video settings work, is they analyze your GPU's memory and then you can only raise your settings to your max memory amount. Yet even at the standard suggested settings it just eats my computer.

I can't find any 8800gtsli/4890 comparison benchmarks though, the only one I see is a really low resolution test.
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 15, 2009 6:39:07 PM

Dual card Vs single card benchmarks are few and far between and once a card is a few months old it seems to fall out of favour with the reviewers anyway.
June 15, 2009 7:01:41 PM

I was contemplating the same decision as to get a 4850 X2 or 4890 and after reading every comment from Newegg user reviews I ended up getting a Nvidia GTX280. Most reviews of the ATI cards were about the ongoing cooling problems, loud fans, crashing and DOA cards, which is why I got rid of my 4870, it was overheating and causing reboots.

The GTX280 is priced at $234 and comes with CODwaw, and Cryostasis from EVGA, also it has nothing but excellent reviews about how great the card is. I also believe the physical detail is better on the Nvidia VS my 4870, where the smoke and steam looks more realistic, but thats my opinion. I also dont plan on running SLI or Crossfire since most games will run max on this card and play very well.

I do however really like my Sapphire HD4830 which runs on my Media PC, very quiet and runs cool, it is very powerful for games (similair to 9800GT) and only cost my $79.

My suggestion - All video cards have some known issues, researching reviews from others including this forum is the best way to avoid making a mistake! Warranty and manufacturer are worth the extra money so that needs to be considered, I did not like Sapphire support or I may have considered the 4850X2 more. (GTX280 is a small sacrafice in performance but has better warranty and manufacturer and great reviews). Also GTX280 compared to GTX285 are in the same catagory but 280 is over $100 less.

Good Luck.
June 15, 2009 7:15:23 PM

Gosh, there's so much to choose from.

The GTX 280 looks like a fantastic choice as well, 40-50 fps average in crysis 1920x1200.
June 15, 2009 10:37:46 PM

if you can get one
June 15, 2009 10:38:51 PM

GTX 280s? Newegg has them, they're in my 'new' price range.
June 20, 2009 4:09:47 PM

gamerk316 said:
Really? Considering the 4850 = 8800GT, to say that the 8800GT would be "blown away" might be taking things a bit too far...



4850 is not equal to 8800gt...
its a good 20% faster, 4850 is on pair with the 9800gtx+/gts 250...
4830 is on par with the 8800 gt.
a b U Graphics card
June 20, 2009 7:19:42 PM

uncfan_2563 said:
that link doesn't look very legitimate. many typos and amatuer.... i wouldn't reference that...


Agreed, Plus no bechmarks to back up any of his claims.
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