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May 27, 2009 1:12:04 AM

hi everyone im new to the site and to the entire pc building world

i am curently building my very first pc and i am looking for the best bang for buck my buget is 1300$

i just wanted your advice in getting the components. also i want to mention that i have no idea about any overclocking so probably that wount happen until my next build or eaven maybe after.

i will mainly do 3ds max modeling and playing some gta4 on the pc i am hoping to be able to play gta 4 on max or very colse to max seting, and i also have to mention that the resolution of the screen is set to 1280 x 1024. so far this is what i have in mind.

CPU: amd phenom II x4 955

MOTHERBOARD: asus m4a79t delux

RAM: 8GB OCZ Fatal1ty at 1333mhz

VIDEO CARD: HIS Radeon HD 4890 Turbo - 1gb

HARD DIVE: 640GB, sataII, 7200RPM, 32mb Cache,Western Digital Caviar Black

PSU: i allredy have a 650W PSU and i think it is enough

CASE: XClio A380Plus Black Super Tower

if you guys can give me any advice about my build or what i sould change please tell me
thank you very much

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May 27, 2009 1:19:48 AM

We'll need a bit more info to make good recommendations... see the sticky at the top of the forum.

You can build an i7 system for that budget which would be the faster processor. Since you have limited your resolution (I'm guessing you have a CRT you want to hang on to for 3D modeling?

Maybe you should consider a separate widescreen LCD gaming monitor?
May 27, 2009 1:28:20 AM

I would say i7 for this as well. 3d modelling at GTAIV are very taxing on the CPU and the i7 will excell in those apps. Doing a light overclock is really easy, and you will see a big boost from it, so I would give it a try if I were you. Just make sure you spend a little time researching and familiarize yourself with the process. Building a PC is much more risky than overclocking it. Once you have the PC up and running, there really isn't a good reason not to overclock at least a little IMO.
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May 27, 2009 1:29:05 AM

what other info would can i give you ??

the monitor is a 19" samsung LCD that i bought 2 years ago and i keept it at this resoluting because of my 3d work
i curently have a 3gb ddr ram, a amd athlon x2 at 2.0ghz and an bfg nvidia geforce 6600GT the ps was bought 2 years ago and it was decent for its time ( i think )

and please tell me what other info you need
i also looked at getting an intel based pc but the only one in my price range is the i7 920 and a lot of friends told me that it is not so great if its no overclocked
May 27, 2009 1:33:33 AM

Go to the top of the forum and read the *How to ask for new build advice* thread, everything we need is there.
May 27, 2009 1:40:54 AM

The "Not so great if it's not overclocked" could apply to AMD X4 955 as well ;)  i7 is faster at stock speeds and it's faster overclocked.

We recommend both builds all day long, but for your price range and apparent needs it makes the most sense to go i7.

Look at what was built for 1300 bucks in the most recent TH article (you can see it on the right). It was a nightmare we all contributed to, and we can do better, but as you can see you can get some nice hardware for 1300.
May 27, 2009 1:43:21 AM

Here's a build worth looking at. Seeing how you have a 650w psu it would be a shame to waste it on one card when you can run two cards in SLI that will blow that 4890 away! I only put one card in this build seeing how your screen resolution is so low. All you have to do is add another one of those gts 250's later on when you get a higher resolution monitor and you will kill any game out there. :)  I put a link to the bench marks for this vid card in SLI at the bottom of this post....check it out.

The best thing about this build is that cpu is the new D0 stepping i7. It runs much cooler than the older C0 stepping i7's that it's replacing. These aren't always easy to find seeing how they are so new to the market, but I found you one.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-EX58U4P $219.99 | -$20 w/promo code = $199.99 | $184.99. after rebate Free Ground Shipping
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P Core i7/ Intel X58/ DDR3/ CorssFireX & 3-Way SLI/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard
Use Code: MEMORIAL20 to get an extra $20 off

https://www.antaresdigital.com/customer/product.php?pro..." $ 277.00
Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz LGA 1366 Socket 8MB Cache CPU D0 Stepping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $94.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99 ($119.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
EVGA 512-P3-1150-TR GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Cryostasis game w/ registration at manufacturer website

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $23.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

Total: $795.95 | $770.95 w/mail in rebates

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.... <--- Save yourself some money on an o/s and dl the 64 bit version of Windows 7

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gts25... <---gts 250 SLI gaming benchmarks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--- more pics, specs, and customer reviews of that Gigabyte UD4P mobo
May 27, 2009 1:46:35 AM

i am looking to build the pc in the next 3 weeks ( to be redy on my birthday)
here are the links to where i will be getting all the parts
i will go and buy everything from the store because i can save som $$ and because had some bad experience whit online ordering

CPU http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

motherboard http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

video card http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

dard drive http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

ram http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

case http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

i posted the links from canada computers and tigerdirect

thank you for the good feedback i will start looking at intel builds too
May 27, 2009 1:46:43 AM

Actually, the Phenom II 955 is not a very good overclocker. If you read the responses at newegg many people were disapointed by the overclocking it offered. Its really the same chip as the 940, but they give the bus a small bump to give the end result a .2ghz increase, but in order to achieve that, they had to give it a voltage bump too. Its got no more overclocking headroom than the 940. IMHO, the 955 is a flop. At $60 less, the 940 is a much better deal.
May 27, 2009 1:49:03 AM

wait a sec...$1300 CAD or USD? You provided links to canada computers...
May 27, 2009 2:46:03 AM

1300$ CAD sorry for not mentioning that
May 27, 2009 3:01:26 AM

Heh see? That's why the sticky is there :p 

We'll have to see what that gets you.
May 27, 2009 3:01:46 AM

That changes the story a bit. For that budget I recommend Phenom II 940 or even 720 if you want to allow for some better GPU's.
May 27, 2009 3:05:18 AM

here is a nother setup that i looked at it is a little more is around 1400 CAD
also i am looking around for some advice on how to overcloc the i7 920 from 2.6ghz to 3.2ghz

cpu: intel I7 920
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

motherboard: EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 X58 3X SLI
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

VIDEO CARD: BFG GeForce GTX 280
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

RAM: OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Platinum XTC 12GB
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

and i also have a nother question
what is the diference between a normal graphics card and a workstation card ? i looked and compared the specs of a lot of cards but they all seem almost the same to me for example here are 2 workstation cards.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

or like this

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

i think these cards will performe better in my 3d work but will they be the same when it comes to playing games?
3d work is very important to be because that is how i make my money and the work that i am asked to do right now realy makes my old busted pc shake but also i am waything to play gta4 since it first come out ( i got the game the second day it comed out but i havent played it yeat because my PC wouldnt eaven start the game whitout crashing) so whit the new build i realy what to max it all out
May 27, 2009 3:13:30 AM

so whit the new buget you guys advise me to get a AMD or still look for intel combinations
is it a realy big diference between the 2 or just a small one because if the diference is small i would lean on amd to save me some money
from what i read the intel is realy great on video editing and stuff like that but i only need to render some preview pictures of the work since i am giving the 3d MAX model itself to the buyer
May 27, 2009 3:18:59 AM

No they will not play games well at all. Workstation cards are optimized for programs such as Maya and CAD, and work well with those. You can't have one card that will do both gaming and work well, I'm afraid. It's a common question. Nvidia gaming cards play better with 3D modeling stuff, and it's the way most people that want both go, but you will take a performance hit in the work stuff.

I made a newegg.ca list and it came to just under 1300.

Here's some highlights:

Cooler Master 690
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Foxxconn X58 board
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PNY GTX 260
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PC P&C 750
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
May 27, 2009 3:19:56 AM

ALso is the case going to offer me enought space for either build ro should i keep looking
the DVD hard drive will be the same for either build unless there is something better for a better price
May 27, 2009 3:34:28 AM

wolfdesign1992 said:
ALso is the case going to offer me enought space for either build ro should i keep looking
the DVD hard drive will be the same for either build unless there is something better for a better price


Give that site down below a look, and if you decide to go with an i7, tigerdirec.ca has the best price atm for the i7 920.

http://ncix.com/
May 27, 2009 3:35:08 AM

from what i read and found online there is not a realy big diference between the 955 and the 920
untill overclocking comes to play
also is there a big risk of burning or messing up the procesor if u put the rong numbers or some rong voltages by mistake or thoes the procesor have like a safety mode that keeps it alive until the right changes are made
May 27, 2009 3:41:09 AM

If this doesn't seem significant enough then by all means go with the 955. This test has the 920 a full 20% faster though:


May 27, 2009 4:16:18 AM

thank you Proximon for the link
that is the best review and comparison that i have seen so far
i can clearly see that the 920 is faster but also the 955 is not down by a lot
i will keep looking for a I7 deal for the same price or close to it and if i can't find one i will propably go for AMD
thank you for the info if there is any more feedback that would help i will keep looking and listening

May 27, 2009 4:22:18 AM

Also, that i7 was NOT overclocked. If it was OC, the performance would increase above the 965 @ stock clocks (however, the 965 can OC much farther than the 920 can, providing a significant boost- but it's not worth the money. )
May 27, 2009 4:34:25 AM

radiowars said:
Also, that i7 was NOT overclocked. If it was OC, the performance would increase above the 965 @ stock clocks (however, the 965 can OC much farther than the 920 can, providing a significant boost- but it's not worth the money. )


The i7's are about to clock through the roof with this new D0 stepping if that review is an indicator. :) 

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584 <--- Short review of the D0 stepping i7 920
May 27, 2009 5:19:26 AM

Why_Me said:
The i7's are about to clock through the roof with this new D0 stepping if that review is an indicator. :) 

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584 <--- Short review of the D0 stepping i7 920

Yeah, I'm waiting to build my rig in June (when school's done) and I really hate the fact that everyone found out about antare's i7 920 D0 that is cheaper than the regular lol. I think I'm going to buy one on Friday, just to be sure I get a nice cool, D0. :D 
4.41GH
:o  On an i7, that's pretty damn high. Almost matches the 965 (if the 920 was unlocked lol).
May 27, 2009 8:27:03 PM

Hi guys i decided to take you advice and i am getting my I7 build today

it is an I7 920 2.6ghz that i will be overclock to 3.2 (i have to leard how to do that )

asus P6T

BFG geforce gtx280 OC

the hard drive case and DVD will remain the same

what my question is now is about the memory
i looked at some 12gb A-Data ddr3 http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

and i just wanted to know if it is ok



thankyou in advance
May 27, 2009 8:43:27 PM

save some money and get a GTX 275 over a GTX 280.

May 27, 2009 8:47:23 PM

Yeah or a 4890. That ram looks ok, but you don't need 12gb. 6 will be fine.
May 28, 2009 12:27:12 AM

Looks good to me.
May 28, 2009 12:47:26 AM

guys i have everything up and running ( i got the 12GB of ram so i dont have to update that later) probably on chrismas i will put a nother his hd 4890 1gb turbo in crossfire

i am now playing gtaIV for 3 hours straight and i love it also my 3d work improved so much i am really speachless i absolutly love my pc the case was kinda on the limit but everything was a perfect fit it looks like a jet engine from the front i love it

now can anyone help me whit what and where i need to make the changes to overclock my CPU i am looking to get somehere around 3.2 - 3.4GHZ because im on the stock fan im just looking for some info on what new frequencies i need to change to acheve that

i heard that i need to slow my memory down so i dont overrunit later after the overclock is that true?
the memory is running at 1333MHZ and the timings are 8-8-8-24 at 1.65V

so if u guys know what i have to do let me know
i will not do anything to it untill i get some info from you guys because i love it to much and i dont want to mess it up


thankyou in advance
May 28, 2009 2:38:45 AM

all you really need to do is change the BCLK to 160-170, depending on how high an OC you want. The Ram frequency is derived from the BCLK as well, so you can adjust the multiplier accordingly to match the speed of the ram.

BCLK of 167 gives you ram speed of 1336 (using 8x multiplier) and CPU speed of 3.34ghz. That shouldn't need any extra voltage on the core at that speed. If you just make that change it should run fine, run Prime95 for 12hours or so to make sure its stable, and keep an eye on your temps using RealTemp.
May 29, 2009 4:06:38 AM

xthekidx said:
all you really need to do is change the BCLK to 160-170, depending on how high an OC you want. The Ram frequency is derived from the BCLK as well, so you can adjust the multiplier accordingly to match the speed of the ram.

BCLK of 167 gives you ram speed of 1336 (using 8x multiplier) and CPU speed of 3.34ghz. That shouldn't need any extra voltage on the core at that speed. If you just make that change it should run fine, run Prime95 for 12hours or so to make sure its stable, and keep an eye on your temps using RealTemp.



thankyou

so no other changes that the BCLK form 133 to 166

is ther a way that i can make the ram to stay the same no matter what changes i do to the CPU
i also have to mention that i changed the ram to G.SKILL ddr3 it is also at 1333mhz 9-9-9-24 and 1.5V
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...
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