Hello,
I figured it is time to upgrade from my 4 year old P4 with a whopping 1 gig of ram to something that can actually load a web page and found the wonderful Builder Marathon articles here. I am new to this as this is the first build AND the first time I am going to attempt an over clock. I will be building this system within the next 2-3 weeks, most likely starting to order parts in the next few days. I thought the 1300 machine featured in this month’s article would be a good starting point although I will not be going for a micro tower as the system does not need to be small. (I don’t really see how that is more portable anyway, I can lug a 3ft unit just the same as a 1.5 ft unit) I will be using this system primarily for gaming (mostly FPS and a little RTS) as well as a home theater system if I can get it to work properly. I like to store all my media on removable HDD's and archive the hardware. The OS will start with XP 64 as I have a copy of that already and will likely be upgrading to win 7 when the system comes out and is stable. I already own the mouse/keyboard and I already have two monitors for it but will be upgrading in the future as they are not all that great. I would like to hook up a third monitor (my TV) but that is not necessary as it will not be in use in tandem with the two monitors. Just simpler if I do not need to swap out cables. I am attempting to stay in the same budget ($1300) but would definitely like to cut cost if there is room for it without a major performance hit. Here are the components that I have and why I have them or any questions I have for each (mostly shamelessly stolen from the article )
Motherboard - obviously changed because I am not looking for a micro tower
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $260
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
This here I have no clue about but read some suggestions for it in other forums. I have been reading Toms for a few months now and spent countless hours reading about motherboards and have no idea how to pick one. Maybe I am just dense, but it seems that there is no rhyme or reason in the naming or marketing of this particular component like there is with chips. I did not notice a difference form the UD5 except 2 more SATA slots and there are 8 anyway so I cannot see using more than that
Processor -
Intel Core i7-920
Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz 4x256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA1366 130W Quad-Core $280
This is another hard component for me as there seems to be a lot of talk for AMD and a dual core will almost certainly fit my needs better than the i7 but I chose it because, as you can tell from my old system, I am unlikely to do any serious upgrading for 3-5 years and newer games will utilize all four cores much more effectively. This is also some of the reasoning I am going for an i7 over the Phenom II. It seems that while not the absolute winner for most bang for the buck it will be the better performer and will be more of a cost effective solution considering the time I will be using it.
Memory - Slightly different as the timing are a little better and g skill went up to 100 bucks
Mushkin 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel $77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226033
There were no reviews on this product yet on Newegg and that makes me weary but I believe they are a trusted brand.
Video Card -
BFG Tech BFGEGTX260896OCE GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP $340
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143140
I am wondering if this is a good choice. Everything I have read says there are diminishing returns in a dual card setup and it may be better to go with a single card solution. This is most likely the area I am looking for the most input on because it is the largest factor in performance and another area that is not a simple pro vs. con like the processor. Newegg shows 2 single units that are comparable price -
GeForce GTX 285 XXX 1GB 512-bit GDDR3
or
100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5
coming in at a little more. Does anyone think this may be a better alternative, particularly if I can drop another one in after a year or so.
HDD $70
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
DVD Drive $28
HP lightscribe DVD 22/6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827140032
Case - again different because I am not going the mini rout $40
RAIDMAX Tornado ATX-238WU Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156223
I was thinking of going with the 300 instead as that seems to be the preferred case here but I like the look of this one and it has 3 fans so....
PSU - different one as the one used in the builder was no longer available $110
PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
Fairly cheap but it did not look like a bad deal. I don’t know much about power supplies except not to buy the bargain ones.
Cooler $63
COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055&Tpk=coolermaster%20v8
Expensive but I don’t think I like the cooler they choose.
Total: $1270
That about sums it up. Any/All suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the advice and remember the last time I was in the market for a computer, 1500 bucks did not even get you 2 gigs of ram.
I figured it is time to upgrade from my 4 year old P4 with a whopping 1 gig of ram to something that can actually load a web page and found the wonderful Builder Marathon articles here. I am new to this as this is the first build AND the first time I am going to attempt an over clock. I will be building this system within the next 2-3 weeks, most likely starting to order parts in the next few days. I thought the 1300 machine featured in this month’s article would be a good starting point although I will not be going for a micro tower as the system does not need to be small. (I don’t really see how that is more portable anyway, I can lug a 3ft unit just the same as a 1.5 ft unit) I will be using this system primarily for gaming (mostly FPS and a little RTS) as well as a home theater system if I can get it to work properly. I like to store all my media on removable HDD's and archive the hardware. The OS will start with XP 64 as I have a copy of that already and will likely be upgrading to win 7 when the system comes out and is stable. I already own the mouse/keyboard and I already have two monitors for it but will be upgrading in the future as they are not all that great. I would like to hook up a third monitor (my TV) but that is not necessary as it will not be in use in tandem with the two monitors. Just simpler if I do not need to swap out cables. I am attempting to stay in the same budget ($1300) but would definitely like to cut cost if there is room for it without a major performance hit. Here are the components that I have and why I have them or any questions I have for each (mostly shamelessly stolen from the article )
Motherboard - obviously changed because I am not looking for a micro tower
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $260
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
This here I have no clue about but read some suggestions for it in other forums. I have been reading Toms for a few months now and spent countless hours reading about motherboards and have no idea how to pick one. Maybe I am just dense, but it seems that there is no rhyme or reason in the naming or marketing of this particular component like there is with chips. I did not notice a difference form the UD5 except 2 more SATA slots and there are 8 anyway so I cannot see using more than that
Processor -
Intel Core i7-920
Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz 4x256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA1366 130W Quad-Core $280
This is another hard component for me as there seems to be a lot of talk for AMD and a dual core will almost certainly fit my needs better than the i7 but I chose it because, as you can tell from my old system, I am unlikely to do any serious upgrading for 3-5 years and newer games will utilize all four cores much more effectively. This is also some of the reasoning I am going for an i7 over the Phenom II. It seems that while not the absolute winner for most bang for the buck it will be the better performer and will be more of a cost effective solution considering the time I will be using it.
Memory - Slightly different as the timing are a little better and g skill went up to 100 bucks
Mushkin 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel $77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226033
There were no reviews on this product yet on Newegg and that makes me weary but I believe they are a trusted brand.
Video Card -
BFG Tech BFGEGTX260896OCE GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP $340
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143140
I am wondering if this is a good choice. Everything I have read says there are diminishing returns in a dual card setup and it may be better to go with a single card solution. This is most likely the area I am looking for the most input on because it is the largest factor in performance and another area that is not a simple pro vs. con like the processor. Newegg shows 2 single units that are comparable price -
GeForce GTX 285 XXX 1GB 512-bit GDDR3
or
100251SR Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR5
coming in at a little more. Does anyone think this may be a better alternative, particularly if I can drop another one in after a year or so.
HDD $70
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
DVD Drive $28
HP lightscribe DVD 22/6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827140032
Case - again different because I am not going the mini rout $40
RAIDMAX Tornado ATX-238WU Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156223
I was thinking of going with the 300 instead as that seems to be the preferred case here but I like the look of this one and it has 3 fans so....
PSU - different one as the one used in the builder was no longer available $110
PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
Fairly cheap but it did not look like a bad deal. I don’t know much about power supplies except not to buy the bargain ones.
Cooler $63
COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055&Tpk=coolermaster%20v8
Expensive but I don’t think I like the cooler they choose.
Total: $1270
That about sums it up. Any/All suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the advice and remember the last time I was in the market for a computer, 1500 bucks did not even get you 2 gigs of ram.