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So I was just wondering since these days people don't like to benchmark 1280x1024 (i can't use a monitor any bigger, hurts my eyes) how much GPU power do you need to max out Crysis Warhead at 1280x1024? Since i'm always looking to upgrade my pc (not that i have the money) i was wondering what i'd have to get to achieve this. Also i'm not too interested in the eye candy but hey, if i have a free 20 fps, why not?

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A 4850 would do it fairly easily. Perhaps not with full AA, but definitely all settings on very high.

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hmm thats good. i was considering a 4850 or a GTS 250 so i like what i hear. speaking of crysis, i wont get the current one but anyone know when Crysis 2 is expected?

Reply to uncfan_2563

Heres a review of 4850 doing Crysis at your resolution - think you would need more than that.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1 [...] ndex9.html

If you can't find your exact resolution in a review, you might find a 16XX x XXX that handles close to the same number of pixels as your res.


Message edited by Twoboxer on 06-20-2009 at 03:20:46 AM
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playing on XP or vista? Nvidia cards tend to run crysis better then ATI, you may want to go with a GTS 250 for XP, 260 for Vista.

heres a 1280 x 1024 benchmark of an intel e5200 series with a 4870
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/f [...] page=0%2C4


Reply to ct1615

Vista for me, but i dont think my budget can reach out and pick up a 260. maybe if daddy steps in..... :D ahh teenage years...

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4850 1GB for $105 after rebate...start mowing that lawn for money

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814161275

Reply to ct1615

Go for GTS 250 or the 9800GTX+
Both are same...

Reply to meodowla

Its just not going to happen i just read a review of a 4890 where they had to back off the AA at x4 and only had it on Gamer settings, so there is a whole level of settings to go yet.

Mactronix

Reply to mactronix

At 12 x 10 using the benchmark with very high settings 4xAA i get 25avg fps single gpu, and 40fps average crossfire.

As opposed to 19 x 12 where i get 16fps average single and 30fps average crossfire.

Always quite alot of these threads so for some reason always useful to have test data handy.

Of course at least in the early stages of the game, it is perfectly playable at 19x12.

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Reply to strangestranger

Seeing as the OP said eye candy isn't needed, the 4850 will probably do fine. At full/max it was already around 22FPS, I'm sure moving some sliders down will get him above 30FPS. Not to mention that link was 6months old, I'm sure patches and driver updates have given it a boost since then. If the 9800GTX/GTS 250 runs it faster, he should look for one of those.

BTW, 1280x1024 = 1,310,720, 1600x1200 = 1,920,000, 1680x1050 = 1,764,000, and finally 1440x900 = 1,296,000. In terms of number of pixels, 1440x900 is much closer then either of the 1600 resolutions.

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Isnt he going to need a past cpu as well playing at such a low resolution?

Reply to invisik

No faster than if he is playing at high resolution.

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Reply to strangestranger

well if it matters, i have an Athlon 64 X2 4800+. its not toooo slow i guess, it could be better, but the BIOS locked overclocking so i'm stuck with it. And yeah i'm thinking the GTS250 might be better cuz i remember seeing nvidia does better with Crysis.

Reply to uncfan_2563

Hmm, a 2.4ghz athlon.

I know crysis runs okay one my cpu at 2.4 but not sure about that, never did do much testing on my old 4400 mainly due to my x1900's setup.

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I thought at low resolution the pc needs more cpu power.

Reply to invisik

I do not understand that thinking so if it is the case then so be it but it doens't make sense to me.

From what i understand that is to avoid the gpu running dry but that to the best of my knowledge has nothing to do with playable fps but only to make sure that you can generate enough fps to keep the gpu busy.

I believe mactronix explains it but I don't get it.

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Reply to strangestranger

invisik wrote :

I thought at low resolution the pc needs more cpu power.


i think the CPU usage stays pretty much the same at all resolutions, gets a little higher at a higher resolution tho. i'm not %100 sure tho

Reply to uncfan_2563

I don't think you can make any general rule about cpu utilization and resolution. It depends on what bottleneck you create or relieve, and the game itself.

Reply to Twoboxer

By running at a lower resolution, your GPU doesn't work as hard correct? If so, its able to push a lot more pixels, providing you with more FPS. This puts a strain on the CPU to keep up. If the CPU is to slow, then its not going to be any faster. You'll still be able to play, its just that the bottleneck has moved to the CPU instead of the GPU. Max is right.

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Reply to 4745454b

you wont max out crysis at that resolution with a 4850 .

I have played at 1440 x 900 with a 4850 at got about 35fps on high

A 4870 1 gig might do it , and so might a gtx 260 ,but any less than that you will have to lose quality or put up with lousy fps

Reply to Outlander_04

at lower resolutions, a higher cpu clock speed is needed or your video card will be bottlenecked.

JUST fyi, they had a qx9770 at 4.0ghz, and the gtx 280 they were testing was still bottlenecked at 1280x1024.

how do you know if its bottlenecked? if you seem to stop seeing gains as you lower your resolution, your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu

Reply to eklipz330

See what 4745454b wrote makes no sense to me.

For one I don't agree with the usage of bottleneck, as always.

For another thing since computer components arent' alive I don't think they care what other components are up to and just process the 1's and 0's as fast as they can.

If I am wrong I am wrong but why would a cpu keep up with a gpu?

If I play a game, say red orchestra with my fan at 30% the fans do not spin up to cool my gpu's as it does not need it, if I play crysis at 12 x10 however, they will.

So therefore, my gpu must be working harder at 12 x 10 than at 19x12 in some games.

My cpu of course stays at the same temperature and it does not register any more activity whether at 10 x 7 or 16 x 12.

Again, I am at a loss as to what is meant by component feeling they have to keep up with each other.

Again, this is not about me being right or wrong, just me not being able to get my head around it or find any proof of this.

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Reply to strangestranger

eklipz330 wrote :

at lower resolutions, a higher cpu clock speed is needed or your video card will be bottlenecked.

JUST fyi, they had a qx9770 at 4.0ghz, and the gtx 280 they were testing was still bottlenecked at 1280x1024.

how do you know if its bottlenecked? if you seem to stop seeing gains as you lower your resolution, your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu



Your cpu is limiting the FPS, not bottlenecking anything.

How you can visualise a bottleneck in relation to what you said I don't know, they must make bottles differently where you come from.

If the game still flows easily, there can be no restriction, correct.

Semantics maybe, but if you are going to use an analogy to help people visualise what you are saying, then make sure it makes sense.

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Reply to strangestranger

If you want to play Crysis on very high, then go nVidia and at least get a GTS250. A GTS 260 sp192 should do it pretty good. Crysis doesn't really like ATI GPUs. Anyway the next Crytek engine will be designed with a more multi-platform concept so it should be less demanding and more efficient. It's impossible to say just how current cards will preform on it.

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Reply to megamanx00

Oh we are on this old chestnut again are we :)
I'm not going to go into it all again strangestranger has certain views on it which are technically valid as far as i can see, and we have talked this over more than enough.
However i agree with what invisik, 4745454b and eklipz330 posted.
Its not that the CPU would try and run faster to keep up, (well an i7 would if turbo mode was on).
Its got a set speed and when the GPU is capable of drawing and rendering the frames faster than this then the "Restriction" in the machine as far as FPS goes is the CPU.
Its not that its even a bad thing per say, as long as you have a playable frame rate when you hit this restriction then the extra speed the GPU has found at the lower resolution can be translated into higher Quality settings.

Mactronix

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You need at least a 4870 or a 9800 GTX+... I am not kidding.

If you want to play in 1900X1080, you need at less something really strong like a 4870X2 or 2X280 in SLI to really max it out... even there forget AA... it's already a lost battle for the little it can gives you.

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megamanx00 wrote :

If you want to play Crysis on very high, then go nVidia and at least get a GTS250. A GTS 260 sp192 should do it pretty good. Crysis doesn't really like ATI GPUs. Anyway the next Crytek engine will be designed with a more multi-platform concept so it should be less demanding and more efficient. It's impossible to say just how current cards will preform on it.



True statement, we don't know how DX11 cards will perform. If you can, buy the cheapest solution until you can get a glimpse of the new era coming this autumn.

Reply to redgarl

well see when i mean max it out, i can give up certain things. It doesn't have to be absolutly at very high but i want things like Textures to atleast be maxed.

Reply to uncfan_2563

uncfan_2563 wrote :

So I was just wondering since these days people don't like to benchmark 1280x1024 (i can't use a monitor any bigger, hurts my eyes)

 

Monitor size___usage
19’ __________no use, is only suitable for the garbage.
22’ __________for office use, nothing more.
26’ __________you can play some games.
30’ __________perfect for games.

 


Edit:
These are facts.

 

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Message edited by Successful_troll on 06-22-2009 at 08:46:42 AM
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We need more trolls like you.

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Reply to strangestranger
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Tom's still tests at 1280x1024 in articles such as SBM's. In Crysis (not Warhead), the GTX 260 and HD 4870 are not up to the task of DX10 (all) very high.

OC'ed GTX 260 isn't enough:
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 310-9.html

HD4870 is a no go, HD 4870 X2 is capable given enough CPU:
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 304-7.html

Of course, not everyone agrees on exactly what is playable performance. Most of the game may be fine if settings get dumbed down in the worst areas.


Message edited by pauldh on 06-22-2009 at 01:34:06 PM
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Successful_troll wrote :

Monitor size___usage
19’ __________no use, is only suitable for the garbage.
22’ __________for office use, nothing more.
26’ __________you can play some games.
30’ __________perfect for games.


Edit:
These are facts.


umm i think it's still very playable at 19". I can't use that big of a monitor because 1. I'd rather upgrade my pc before getting a bigger display 2. I do a lot of programming, so when i look at a bigger monitor for extended period of time, my eyes tear and burn

Reply to uncfan_2563

uncfan_2563 wrote :

umm i think it's still very playable at 19". I can't use that big of a monitor because 1. I'd rather upgrade my pc before getting a bigger display 2. I do a lot of programming, so when i look at a bigger monitor for extended period of time, my eyes tear and burn


if you do programming a big monitor is essential so you can see more code per page.
You are just making up excuses so go buy a decent monitor and stop being so cheap.

Reply to Successful_troll

uncfan_2563 wrote :

umm i think it's still very playable at 19". I can't use that big of a monitor because 1. I'd rather upgrade my pc before getting a bigger display 2. I do a lot of programming, so when i look at a bigger monitor for extended period of time, my eyes tear and burn



I partly agree with troll because 30 inch monitors suck at gaming otherwise, 19 suck even more 23 or 24 are the best, y?

30 inch has bad contrast, bad response, and bad refresh rate. Example samsung p2370 has led backlits which 30 inch doesnt. 50k dynamic contrast. I have seen the monitor, and also apples 30 inch cinema played same games on it and guess what? The 30 inch really sucks compared to samsung p2370 or my t240.

Reply to rescawen

Ever since swapping to a 32" LCD the games have become amazing.

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Yes but what resolution is that.

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Reply to strangestranger

rescawen wrote :

30 inch monitors suck at gaming


I do not agree with that.
I have a samsung T260 (26 inch) and I can say that it is small for gaming.

Reply to michaelmk86

Hey! Read my sig if you have to, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

I'm a little confused with Uncfan. His first post he says he's not that interested in "the eye candy", then goes on to say "want things like Textures to atleast be maxed." So how maxed is maxed? Is there a list, or do you just want things to look good? Again, if you just want it to look good, the 4850/GTX260 is good enough to make most games look good. Crysis and a few others might need a bit of tweaking, but other then that...

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Reply to 4745454b

I'm 15 and don't have a job, i'm not cheap at all. The whole programming thing isn't an excuse either, i stay really close to my monitor so big monitors kill my eyes. And seeing a lot more code isn't at all essential. Seriously, it doesn't matter. Why would you need to?

Reply to uncfan_2563

And by eyecandy i meant effects and filters (HDR, Anisotropic filtering, AA, shadows, etc...)

Reply to uncfan_2563

I used to code back when I was in college. I hated having to do it at the school. 17" CRTs, and only one of them. At home I was using a 21" and 17" CRT. This was great, as I could have many windows open at the same time, thus increasing the speed of my programing. (imaging having to look up a bit of coding online, and not having to minimize or maximize every time you wanted to see it. I could look at the example code and my own at the same time, side by side.) For coding, you don't need a fast GPU, just a lot of desktop real estate. Gaming however chokes if you try to push to many pixels. Having a single good monitor is what you want to use. A good sized monitor with a fast response time and good specs will look a lot better then a larger monitor with poor specs.

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And by eyecandy i meant effects and filters (HDR, Anisotropic filtering, AA, shadows, etc...)



So you want to turn on the details, but you don't need HDR, AA/AF, etc? What you want will depend on the game engine. Some games look fine with no AA, while others you'll need at least 2X. I always try to turn on 2AA, even if I have to lower textures or turn shadows down. Again, if you can get the best GPU you can, you'll have the best shot at making your video games look the best. Coding is nothing, so don't worry to much about that. (other then getting a second monitor...)

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4745454b wrote :

Hey! Read my sig if you have to, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!


The voice of REASON listen to the trolls!!!

Because trolls always speak the truth!!!

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Precisely cute cuddly troll.

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Reply to strangestranger

wth is up with this troll thing?? i think i missed that O.o

 

edit: just looked at HD 4870 prices on newegg, and if i spend like another 10-15 dollars i can get one. Should i get that over the GTS 250?


Message edited by uncfan_2563 on 06-25-2009 at 02:37:04 AM
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Personally I would go with the 250 but just make sure you get the 1GB version. I can get around 60-75 FPS with everything on Enthusiast and 4x88 playing Crysis Warhead in Sli. With just a single 250 I only get 35-45 frames average.

Reply to OvrClkr

You don't need the 1GB since the GTS250 won't use it...unless you have two of them in SLi on a much larger resolution.

Just get a 9800GTX+/GTS250 or 4850, you can play with all on VH and AA off, or
everything except post processing on VH with AAx4

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Reply to Bluescreendeath

but i think a 4870 is a better choice cuz even if crysis loves nvidia, the 4870 performs better in other games

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