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Anonymous
August 15, 2005 8:20:36 PM

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Hello...

I currently have a Dish 500 system and receive my local channels. For
various reasons, I am trying to switch to Direct TV.

I had one of the first Direct TV systems in this neck of the woods many
years ago. Dish was the first to offer local channels, so I switched.

Currently where I live, obtaining the proper signal from 110 and 119 on
Dish was a little diffcult due to the surrounding terrain. But...I was
able to manage it. When I previously had Direct TV, using just the 18"
and single satellite, my reception was great. The azimuth that I need
for Direct TV is a MUCH easier one to use. The elevation makes for a
totally clear line of sight as well.

Anyway, to my question.....

My Dish system requires an azimuth of 235. My old DirectTV was around
212 or so. I am looking up the valley, and have PERFECT line of sight
from 160 to 230. Absolutely NO obstructions of any kind especially at
elevation of 42.5 with Direct's "old" system (no locals). Of
course...the Dish Network is on my "fringe" for line of sight, but...it
does work.

Direct TV specs call for the same azimuth as before. I do realize that
to get local channels I will need the larger Direct TV dish with the
multi-LNB. The tech came here to install and after his survey informed
me that I WOULD NOT be able to receive locals with DirectTV. He said
that he could not get the "119" satellite that my locals were on.
But...I get my locals from the "119" satellite on Dish Network. Since
I can receive locals from Dish at 119, shouldn't I be able to receive
locals from DirectTV's "119"?

I don't know a whole lot about this. I do know, however, when I first
got Dish Network, their tech also told me that I would not be able to
receive the locals, that the satellite was not in a clear enough line
of site. After convincing him to at least try, he discovered that I
COULD receive it. That is how close to the fringe I am. Trying to
"eyeball" it doesn't work here.

Should I be able to receive locals from DirectTV if I can from Dish?

Location is east KY. Zip is 41616.

Thanks for any help...


HCII
Anonymous
August 17, 2005 8:28:35 AM

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I think he's just scared that it is so close to the fringe, that should
I ever have trouble with reception, I'm gonna be hounding DirectTV.
And that he will catch the heat as to why he even installed it knowing
that it was an "iffy" situation.

Bottom line....If I can receive Dish's bird at 119 with NO
problems...wouldn't common sense say that I can receive DirectTV's bird
at 119?


HCII
Anonymous
August 19, 2005 5:37:19 AM

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Theoretically, no. However, I have talked with a lot of folks with DirecTV
multi-sat dishes who have trouble "maintaining" the 119 bird signal. It
comes and goes according to atmospheric conditions. The dishes are parabolic
as to allow to receive from more than one geo-stationery bird at the same
time. I've always found the spot beams (where the locals come from) to be
stronger on the 101 bird. A few cities on the east coast get the locals on
the "C" sat at 110. The latency problems with the 110 and 119 seem to happen
west of the Mississippi. HI-DEF is an animal all by itself, and there's
black-outs with it all over.
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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 3:11:30 PM

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Well....Update....

DirecTV came here and installed the equipment. I had asked him to put
the DirecTV dish where the existing Dish Network one was. He proceeded
to inform me that I could not get enough reception there. As a matter
of fact, he found the spot where he wanted to install - said it was
about the only spot that would work, but...even at that...he could not
guarantee me reception of the 119 bird for my locals.

I sorta disagreed with him for a while, yet still he wasn't going to
put the dish where I wanted it. The installer, the SECOND one (who was
supposedly the first ones boss), was firm in that in NO WAY was the
DirecTV dish gonna work where I wanted placed. he got out the
inclinometer, pointed, yada-yada-yada.

So...I tell him to mount it where he thought best. He did. I got 95%
on 101, 95% on 110...NOTHING on 119. Zero...Nada...Zilch. The
installer reminded me that he could not guarantee the 119 bird for
locals, because there just wasn't enough clear line. He reminded me
again that there was nothing restricting him placing it where I wanted
it, but...he KNEW that my desired location was useless.

He left. I moved the dish where I wanted it. I removed my Dish
Network dish, and mounted the DirecTV dish on the existing mount....

......I have everything now.....95% on 101, 95% on 110, 100% on 119.

Geez....We argued for nearly an hour. I would have thought that he
coulld have done it just to please me....


HCII
July 20, 2008 5:17:57 AM

I was looking for something else when I stumbled onto your post regarding locals on the 119 sat position.

You are north and east of where I install and you seem to be in a one dish market using the third generation triple sat dish because the dish mounted by the installer from DirecTv would fit on the Dish 500 mount as opposed to the Slim Line Au9 DirecTv Ka/KU Dish which requires the 2" mast mount. Your assumption that if Dish Networks dish was receiving the 119 orbital location, so should the DirecTv antenna is right. Way to trust your gut!! I install both of these products not to mention others and when I install Dish Network I use a meter that will positively ID birds that I am pointing at. Here's the thing, when ID the 119 Satellite it comes back as the DIRECTV 119 ORBITAL LOCATION FOUND. Kind of Ironic huh?

Just a side note... your installer(s) probably were worried about a potential obstruction and went to a percieved "safe" spot and still struck out. Just too bad they planted another mast on your building, but look at the bright side, you now have a great mount location for the outdoor off-air antenna you always wanted. ;) 
October 27, 2009 4:15:17 AM

I think instead of go in this difficulties,you have to stay with your dish tv.Because the signal quality is much better then direct tv.
January 24, 2010 9:36:25 PM

I would like to ask your help with a problem I am having regarding my Direct TV account. I have a Fort Myers based Direct TV account but spend part of my time there and part here in Canada. I have a triple LNB Direct TV branded dish and am having no luck with getting the local channels here in Canada - everything else works just fine. Sat signal strength is good so issue is I believe the fact that I don't have the Slimine 5 KA/KU Dish I believe, 727 is the message that comes up on the tuner. Ft Myers is part of the "new" KA KU dish feed wherein the locals are broadcast on the KA KU signal stream at least that is what info I have been able to dig up through hours of reading on the internet. Phoned Direct TV and the customer service people are absolutely no help, once I say Canada they say no matter what dish I purchase I won't get the locals which makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I don't mind purchasing a new slimline 5 Direct TV dish if that will allow me to receive the locals but there is some debate among myself, Direct TV and what I have read on the internet regarding my ability to actually receive the locals through a Slimline Dish even if I do purchase it. I have no idea (and what I have read for hours and hours regarding spot beams doesn't seem to help me) whether it is a spot beam issue for me regarding the locals or something else entirely I don't understand.

Bottom line is this. If I purchase a Slimline Dish, set it up properly including having good line of sight and strong signal readings will I be able to get the local channels here in Toronto Canada. Let me be clear it is a legit account and I pay for the locals I just can't get them on my current 101, 110 and 119 dish. HD programming doesn't worry me at this point - although I pay for those channels as well - just get them in regular definition - but the absence of the locals means my wife complains that I don't get her sitcoms and network series shows - and this matters because I use Reply TV to do all of my recording off the current Direct TV tuner and because of this have to record the series stuff off my local cable feed onto a DVD writer which is a pain.

Please if you would be kind enough to spend a minute and let me know whether purchasing the Slimline - 5 Direct TV dish will get me the locals I would appreciate it more than you could possibly imagine - don't mind spending the money but would hate to spend it and end up again with no locals. Thanks very much for your help. All the best from Canada.
March 2, 2010 12:56:30 AM

Has anyone given you an answer yet? I have the same problem and am very interested in your submittal.
viagradealer said:
I would like to ask your help with a problem I am having regarding my Direct TV account. I have a Fort Myers based Direct TV account but spend part of my time there and part here in Canada. I have a triple LNB Direct TV branded dish and am having no luck with getting the local channels here in Canada - everything else works just fine. Sat signal strength is good so issue is I believe the fact that I don't have the Slimine 5 KA/KU Dish I believe, 727 is the message that comes up on the tuner. Ft Myers is part of the "new" KA KU dish feed wherein the locals are broadcast on the KA KU signal stream at least that is what info I have been able to dig up through hours of reading on the internet. Phoned Direct TV and the customer service people are absolutely no help, once I say Canada they say no matter what dish I purchase I won't get the locals which makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I don't mind purchasing a new slimline 5 Direct TV dish if that will allow me to receive the locals but there is some debate among myself, Direct TV and what I have read on the internet regarding my ability to actually receive the locals through a Slimline Dish even if I do purchase it. I have no idea (and what I have read for hours and hours regarding spot beams doesn't seem to help me) whether it is a spot beam issue for me regarding the locals or something else entirely I don't understand.

Bottom line is this. If I purchase a Slimline Dish, set it up properly including having good line of sight and strong signal readings will I be able to get the local channels here in Toronto Canada. Let me be clear it is a legit account and I pay for the locals I just can't get them on my current 101, 110 and 119 dish. HD programming doesn't worry me at this point - although I pay for those channels as well - just get them in regular definition - but the absence of the locals means my wife complains that I don't get her sitcoms and network series shows - and this matters because I use Reply TV to do all of my recording off the current Direct TV tuner and because of this have to record the series stuff off my local cable feed onto a DVD writer which is a pain.

Please if you would be kind enough to spend a minute and let me know whether purchasing the Slimline - 5 Direct TV dish will get me the locals I would appreciate it more than you could possibly imagine - don't mind spending the money but would hate to spend it and end up again with no locals. Thanks very much for your help. All the best from Canada.

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