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June 3, 2009 9:06:23 PM

Hey

Just posting the specs of the comp I am going to build for moderate gaming and school work. Open to any suggestions. Two things I am concerned about, The motherboard, is it a good choice for my setup? I will maybe be doing SLI in the future, and the 500W PSU, is it going to be enough to power everything in my system and maybe an extra GPU in the future? I'm buying all parts from newegg.

Budget: keep it below $1000 including monitor mouse and keyboard.
system will cost around $950, that's with all the mail in rebates counted.
I wouls like to order the parts tonight if I have time. The monitor resolution is 1600 x 900
Specs:

-Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
-EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI FTW ATX Intel Motherboard
-OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
-EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video
-OCZ Fatal1ty Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2F10664G
-LITE-ON 24X CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS324-08
-APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

Thank you.

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June 3, 2009 9:09:54 PM

500W will not be enough for SLI. What programs will you be running for school? AutoCAD or Word? --> do you need 3/4 cores?
June 3, 2009 9:13:43 PM

mostly word, excel and powerpoint. No I think I am fine with the core 2 duo if thats what you mean by 3/4 cores.
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June 3, 2009 9:18:59 PM

+1 on the bigger PSU if you want to future proof a SLI upgrade.
June 3, 2009 9:22:58 PM

got a recommendation on a power supply?
Thanks
June 3, 2009 9:40:22 PM

Everything looks good EXCEPT.....the cpu...seriously go look at some freaking benchmarks...and then study future proofing/longer lasting cpus....such as the AMD 940BE....in the similar price range....or a AMD 720 and save some cash.... :pfff: 
June 3, 2009 9:44:48 PM

EVGA mobo pretty good for most, but when it came time to replace my flaky EVGA mobo the Gigabyte EP45-ud3p got outstanding reviews ( http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3508 ) and is currently the same price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I recall a review showing a complete PC using ~190 W at idle, and 360W at full bore using a 275. A second 275 would add 180W + whatever its idle power consumption is, ie a total more than 500W.

The 260 is likely lower in power consumption, but the closer you push to the max output of a PSU, the more you ask for trouble and the less efficient it gets (ie, costs more to run, runs hotter).

I don't know exactly what the 2x260 would require but I'd look more in the >750W range.
June 3, 2009 10:06:01 PM

I found a more relevant review showing the power consumption of a system with a 260 core 216 here: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

It shows some 260's might even SLI with your 500W psu, but I personally would like to keep known power consumption under 80% of the psu's capacity. But that's just me :) 
June 4, 2009 1:31:31 PM

@rewindlabs OP can't really use SLI effectively on an AMD platform, there is one motherboard, but the NV chipset isn't really the greatest
June 4, 2009 2:08:33 PM

That PSU listing, was useful in its day, but is now years out of date.
In the absence of competent technical reviews (i.e. with load testing and waveform analysis, such as those done by www.jonnyguru.com, www.hardocp.com, www.hardwaresecrets.com, and a few others), I believe that if you choose one that has Active PFC (no little red voltage switch) and is 80+ certified for efficiency, you won't be getting garbage. My personal preference is Antec, but Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling, Enermax, and some FSP would also be decent choices. In the absence of a review of the specific model, I would not include OCZ in that list, as I know some of their models are built by less-than-stellar OEMs like Sirtec.
On your other choices, I've read too many bad stories about the 750i chipset boards to risk buying one myself. If you think you might want to run two graphics cards, check out a Crossfire board like a P45. In that case, you'd need to choose an ATI card. A 4850 would be a safe choice.
You don't need to get DDR2-1066 with an Intel CPU unless you plan a really high OC. For minimal grief, get DDR2-800 that runs on the JEDEC standard 1.8V.
Should you decide to consider an AMD chip like the 720BE, DDR2-1066 would be useful.
June 4, 2009 2:52:42 PM

It may be a tad out of date, but its useful for people who know nothing about PSU's. The models may change but the top brands don't. Antec, PC&C etc are still great, Rosewill still sucks.
June 4, 2009 6:33:12 PM

seriously dude an amd build would be alot more practical in this situation but if you want to help intel pay off that $1.6billion fine, ok with me.

Board is a good chice, the only 2 issues i found are the psu and the ram

for 2 gtx260s get something with 650w+ with 4x6pin

the gtx260 at max power is 200w = 400 sli and everything else together needs less than 200w this will do well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

found better memory 1066 5-5-5-15 5/5 eggs unlike ocz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
June 4, 2009 6:59:15 PM

mindless728 said:
@rewindlabs OP can't really use SLI effectively on an AMD platform, there is one motherboard, but the NV chipset isn't really the greatest

Yeahhhh......are you telling the AMD guy with an nvidia gpu this :heink:  ...


There is no excuse what so ever to pick up a damn dual core at this point....the 8400 has actually dropped in price though and considering i believe its 35$ you spend by going with a QUAD that can run just as fast and perform better is a no freaking brainer....

And BTW the quad is the 940BE.....the bitchin edition...
June 4, 2009 7:47:57 PM

thanks for all of the suggestions.
I did decided to change a few things

I Decided that I am not going to go for SLI, one GTX 260 is powerful enough for my gaming needs. Since I am not going to do SLI I have chosen an intel p45 motherboard because of its good reviews on stability, just not sure which on to get the P5Q-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., or the P5Q Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Since I chose the p45, I am also going to stick with Intel as the CPU, but should I get the Core 2 Duo 8400 3.0GHz or get the Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... I once herd somewhere that when gaming, a core 2 duo is more efficient but I don't know, or would it be worth the quad for extra performance?. I don't want to spend over $165 on the CPU and I want to stick with Intel. I did also change the RAM to Kingston HyperX T1 Series 4GB, thanks for that suggestion. As for the PSU, 500W seems adequate since I'm not going SLI or Crossfie. PSU is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Anymore suggestions are welcome.
Thanks.
June 4, 2009 7:56:56 PM

markpojo said:
thanks for all of the suggestions.
I did decided to change a few things

I Decided that I am not going to go for SLI, one GTX 260 is powerful enough for my gaming needs. Since I am not going to do SLI I have chosen an intel p45 motherboard because of its good reviews on stability, just not sure which on to get the P5Q-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., or the P5Q Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Since I chose the p45, I am also going to stick with Intel as the CPU, but should I get the Core 2 Duo 8400 3.0GHz or get the Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... I once herd somewhere that when gaming, a core 2 duo is more efficient but I don't know, or would it be worth the quad for extra performance?. I don't want to spend over $165 on the CPU and I want to stick with Intel. I did also change the RAM to Kingston HyperX T1 Series 4GB, thanks for that suggestion. As for the PSU, 500W seems adequate since I'm not going SLI or Crossfie.

Anymore suggestions are welcome.
Thanks.

Go look at the ******* benchmarks....they are there for a reason....
June 5, 2009 2:32:32 AM

ok, so these are the final specs i guess

-Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
-EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video
-APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
-ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
-CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible
-Kingston HyperX T1 Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel

Now, since this is the first time I'm building a computer with expensive parts, before I order the parts, Is everything I listed above compatible with the motherboard? According to newegg this board's memory standard is DDR2 1200, mine is DDR2 1066, does this present a problem or does that standard mean it will take anything below 1200?
June 5, 2009 2:44:17 AM

markpojo said:
ok, so these are the final specs i guess

-Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
-EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video
-APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
-ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
-CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible
-Kingston HyperX T1 Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel

Now, since this is the first time I'm building a computer with expensive parts, before I order the parts, Is everything I listed above compatible with the motherboard? According to newegg this board's memory standard is DDR2 1200, mine is DDR2 1066, does this present a problem or does that standard mean it will take anything below 1200?

DO NOT buy a dual core cpu...have you even looked at benchmarks of dual vs quad cpus?....do you have any idea how much longer a quad will last and how that dual core has a life span before it starts to lose ALOT of performance in quad supporting games? why not buy a quad core that does just fine in dual core supporting games and trumps the dual in quad supporting games....
June 5, 2009 2:53:22 AM

i've looked at benchmarks, but the reason I want the dual is because I heard that during gaming duals are more efficient because while gaming on a quad, you will never use the power it has. I don't know though, I'm a newbie so anyways, I've talked to some friends who are technicians and they had the same response also, saying that is better to buy a dual core than the quad and used for high performance business applications and that dual will run games better. I dont know.
If you recommend a quad, what Intel quad and motherboard would you recommend?

Im actually at a loss right now, I have no idea if my configuration is comatible with the mobo,

All i know is that I want that gpu mentioned above in my system, the PSU seems fine, the HDD is fine, and the RAM is good.
All i really need is a good motherboard and cpu suggestion for the parts i mentioned above
help a newbie out
June 5, 2009 3:16:31 AM

Someone here will have to recommend you a good price vs performance intel quad...i deal with amds offerings....amd has a quad that costs 190$ and overclocks to 3.8ghz easily....same great performance in dual supporting only games and it gets a ton more performance in GTA IV....because of the two extra cores and gta iv is a quad game...


Your friends and reviews are wrong and right....an 8400 will run anything out right now except GTA IV....now the fault with your friends is there not thinking about tommorow or next week or next month or next month etc...There are going to be alot more games like GTA IV released that benefit from extra cores...

Im surprised your "technician" friends didn't advise this little bit of future proofing...quads are hardly used for high performance business applications...ever encoded a dvd...using vmware etc....

Get the idea....i could right now afford an E8400 or E8600....would i buy them....HELL NO
June 5, 2009 3:29:54 AM

yea, I see what you're saying, for the heck of it, ill look into the amd's, what would you recommended, cpu and mobo wise that has good performance and affordable and runs good with the GPU, RAM, and PSU i mentioned above, I don't want to break the bank here.

Thanks
June 5, 2009 9:58:04 AM

You should just do some googling....look for something like "940BE Vs intel" and see what comes up and compare the prices

The 940 be isn't meant to compete in raw performance to a 920 i7 though...just look at some benchmarks and comparisons between the intel quads other then the i7 you could buy....be sure to be looking for gaming comparisons....

I recommend the 940BE though...its a black edition which means it overclocks great and its an amazing cpu...as to a motherboard someone else can recommend that but it will end up being around the same price as the intel build...

June 6, 2009 3:19:10 AM

well, I decided to go with the advice and get the quad even though I'm over budget by $50 oh well. I just need someone to quickly run through my components and see if they're all compatible with each other, I've looked through every part's specs and they seem that they are all good, just need someone to double check before I buy.
all form newegg
specs.
-Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550
-GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
--EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video
-APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
-CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible
-Kingston HyperX T1 Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel

total: $1050 after rebates includes monitor and shipping
June 7, 2009 1:41:59 AM

May I put in my 2c?

Don't buy a q9550. Buy either
Core i7 920 - $280 + slightly more expensive motherboard, vastly superior performance

Phenom II 940 BE - $180, similar performance, similar motherboard.
June 8, 2009 12:13:52 AM

Heres how the final system looks.

specs:

-Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz
-ASUS P6T SE LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
-EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
-Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
-CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power
-OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory
-SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S223Q - OEM
-COOLER MASTER Centurion 590 RC-590-KKN1-GP Black SECC / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
-Windows 7 RC from Microsoft (going to wait for the new os release instead of vista)


Are there any remaining compatibility issues/suggestions/comments before I place an order?
June 8, 2009 12:49:22 AM

If you want SLi in the future, that power supply is insufficiant.
June 8, 2009 1:08:44 AM

Yes, I know, I'm not going to be doing SLI, the motherboard doesn't support it, and I think one GTX 260 is sufficient for me.
June 8, 2009 6:22:04 PM

Get the 640gb version of your 500gb hdd. It's faster because it uses 2x 320 platters.
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