Lynnfield benchmarks up

BadTrip · Sep 8, 2009

Amazing little chip.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3634

fazers_on_stun · Sep 8, 2009

Also see these reviews out:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2909/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_750_and_core_i7_870_performance_testing/index.html

http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7-870_i5-750_-_nehalem_for_the_mainstream/

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i5-and-i7-Processors-and-P55-Chipset/

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2352494,00.asp

http://www.techspot.com/news/36131-intel-core-i5-750-processor-review.html

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17545

And from Dailytech's summary:

Here's what some of the reviewers from around the web are saying about the we Lynnfield processors:

I'll start this conclusion with what AMD must do in response to Lynnfield. The Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE, despite the AMD processor costing almost another $50. Granted you can probably save some money on an integrated 785G motherboard, but if you're comparing ~$120 motherboards the AMD CPU is simply overpriced. -- AnandTech

Ultimately, Intel's has done what they set out to do with Lynnfield--bring Nehalem's features and benefits down into more mainstream price points. The new Core i5 and Core i7 800 series processors are excellent additions to Intel's already stellar CPU line-up and the P55 Express chipset is shaping up to be the darling of motherboard manufacturers and potentially the overclocking community at large. -- Hot Hardware

Intel's new Lynnfield Core i7 and Core i5 processors weren't intended to win overall performance crowns, but they came closer than many expected them to in our testing. Lynnfield indeed brings the features and performance of the Nehalem architecture to a new price point and market and in doing so will likely spark a wave of PC enthusiast upgrades this fall and winter. -- PC Perspective

BadTrip · Sep 8, 2009

Yeah, I love how some people who shall remain nameless, said that they were just rebranded core 2 775, lmao

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

Do not believe all of these evil Intel pumpers! Intel are teh evil and Evil Intel paid off all review sites to get extra FPS. Teh Lynnfield is teh evil stupid pumper because everyone wants to have dual video cards and it doesn't haven't true PCIe x16 dual lane platformance!

OMFG EVIL PUMPERS!

With all that out of the way, I am very pleased with Lynnfield. It's exciting to see that onboard PCIe controller, although it does have some limitations in dual-gpu setups, which is a niche market.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

It's not bad, certainly better than the leaked benches suggested (yes that does make me question whether intel had to make a few payouts this week). I'll be waiting to see some european reviews before making my final decision though.

Dual gpu it's what, 20% slower at best? That is a big drawback for anyone considering it. While it's true that sli/xfire are still somewhat niche markets, i5 mobo's will have sli/xfire as standard. If you're buying for that, you've made a mistake as this cpu cannot handle two or more powerful graphics cards.

Phenom II will drop in price and the dragon will still be a far superior platform. For anyone who is not using discrete graphics or for anyone who is using multi gpu setups, there is only one system worth buying still.

If the i5 prices end up the way intel are suggesting, intel will also be losing quite a bit of money compared to what they were still getting for the ancient 775 btw. Intel throwing away money? Expect i5 prices to be a higher than advertised, no doubt intel will claim 'demand' for the reason why.

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

#1 - Intel didn't pay off every i5 review in the world, get over it, i5 kicks ass no matter how green in the face you get when you scream.

#2 - GPU scalling is not a drawback for anyone considering i5, it's only a drawback for the niche market (and hopefully they'll go with a Phenom II X3 or X4, that'd be much less expensive than i7)

#3 - Dragon will be the superior platform? Please explain it's "superiority" over a similiarly priced Core i5.

#4 - Intel doesn't lose money. Look at their financials, they make money every quarter. Intel is not throwing away money, they are making money. At launch (now) i5 prices are close to what was advertised.

#5 - Socket 775 ancient? What are you smoking. Yes, it's been around for a while and is about to EOL, but calling a recent S775 "ancient" would be a misrepresentation.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=1

"Tentatively priced at £139, performance in our range of benchmarks is, somewhat surprisingly, on terms with the Intel Core 2 Q9650 (£240) and AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE (£160+)."

I guess it's all about the benchmarks you choose really. It's no worse than a 965 BE for sure but Anand's 'better in every bench' comment should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

A pinch of salt..... Or optionally you coud look at their benchmarks and the benchmarks of other sites and see that in gaming the i5 is neck and neck and in non-gaming they pull away with definitive benchmarks wins. But that would involve bursting your AMD biased bubble.

I suggest you hide out at AMDZone.com for a while, I don't think they'll be mentioning i5 much, it's probably banned in their forum filter.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

#1 - Intel didn't pay off every i5 review in the world, get over it, i5 kicks ass no matter how green in the face you get when you scream.

It kicks ass? Did I see you saying that about the 965 BE?

#2 - GPU scalling is not a drawback for anyone considering i5, it's only a drawback for the niche market (and hopefully they'll go with a Phenom II X3 or X4, that'd be much less expensive than i7)

What about people who are on the graphics forum every day asking 'should i get xyz new gpu or sli/xfire my current instead'? Most people do not buy multi-gpu setups at the start, it is something they consider later. With i5? Don't consider it and don't pretend it's as good. It isn't, the benches were pretty clear on that.

#3 - Dragon will be the superior platform? Please explain it's "superiority" over a similiarly priced Core i5.

Far better graphics, similar cpu performance and price. How can't it be better?

#4 - Intel doesn't lose money. Look at their financials, they make money every quarter. Intel is not throwing away money, they are making money. At launch (now) i5 prices are close to what was advertised.

I5 costs a *lot* more to make than core2.

#5 - Socket 775 ancient? What are you smoking. Yes, it's been around for a while and is about to EOL, but calling a recent S775 "ancient" would be a misrepresentation.

It's a dead socket, on it's last legs since Phenom II and finally killed off by i55. Who would buy any Core2 now? Nobody.

fazers_on_stun · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

There's nothing preventing a mobo manufacturer from putting an i5 on a "performance" mobo with extra PCIe-16 lanes. However you yourself said SLI (and presumably Xfire) was a tiny percentage of the market, in another thread here. Sweet spot is single GPU, in which case i5 beats the pants off P2

. AMD will have to rename their platform as the "Draggin'", as in "draggin' your arse down"

.

Also, you manage to contradict yourself inside of 3 sentences: "I'll be waiting to see some european reviews before making my final decision though" and 2 sentences later "there is only one system worth buying still".

In short, Badtrip is correct - your credibility just took another 16" naval gun broadside, and is listing to port rather badly now

. I suggest breaking out the rubber life-rafts. Oh wait, we still have one more potential salvo - that little matter of AMD's return to profitability next quarter!!

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

Megatasking beches - http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=10

CINEBENCH, POV-ray, and StaxRip X.264 - http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=8

It's about the same as a 965 BE, it's not better...in fact overall the 965 BE is a tiny bit better. See this is what bugs me most about you lot, you read one review and automatically assume it's the same everywhere.

The very first site I read has the i5 almost on a par with the 965 BE. When I look closely at the benches? It's the 965 BE that is in fact, a little bit faster overall.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

fazers_on_stun :

You're a real twister of words fazers, but you ain't smart enough to catch me out.

I said that for people using igp's and muti-card setup's, there is only one platform worth buying. Once the 965 BE drops in price, it will be a superior platform overall...that's assuming the i5 platform actually ends up as advertised - and if that's the case then intel are losing money compared to what they were raking in on core2's.

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

Jenny, even if you want to pretend that PII is on par with i5, there still is the issue of the i5 750 costing less, and using less electricity, plus it's a brand new socket.

We all know and acknowledge that you're not going put a dual-gpu setup into a cheap i5 board (the CPU supports 32 PCIe lanes, it's the motherboards that need to catch up). However, just like a true AMD fanboy, you now cling onto this one fact and everytime someone mentions i5 you say "BUT DOES IT SCALE WITH GPUS WELL!?!?" Get over it, most gaming rigs are not multi-gpu. And yes, if someone wanted to go multi-gpu I would probably recommend that they look at the top range of PII's X3 and X4's because of the price premium on Core i7.

People are going to stop taking you seriously because you can't give credit where it is due. You always try to defend\promote your AMD underdog at all costs, even where it is not merited.

Dekasav · Sep 8, 2009

To be honest, on the two reviews I've read so far, the 965BE and the i5 750 were pretty neck-and-neck in almost everything. Granted, I skip synthetics and probably put more weight on gaming benches than on encoding and such.

But we've known it should be similar to this all along, when i7 came out a lot of people were upset that it's IPC wasn't much higher than C2Q, the only time it really wins out by a significant margin are highly threaded things, things where i7's HT is very useful. Take away HT for i5 and you have C2Q with some minor IPC improvements, and higher than advertised clockspeed (turbo boost).

I'm not saying i5 isn't a solid CPU, I'm just saying that it's really nothing revolutionary. It beats the 965BE fairly regularly, but by some awfully small margins most of the time. And thus far, I haven't seen why anyone says it's (better) than the i7 920, it still gets killed in highly threaded apps.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

I did give it credit, saying it's better than expected and not bad, and certianly no worse than a 965 BE.

You lot saw anands review (how many intel ads are on that btw?) then immediately assumed it blew away the 965 in everything, when in fact, it *really* doesn't.

You know what TC, what *really* bugs me about people like you, badtrip and fazers? It's the way you said nothing about how much better the 965 was compared to the Q9650. If you assume the i5 will end up showing up better in most benches (it probably will), chances are it won't be at the same level of how much better the 965 BE was compared to the Q9650.

Now, do you want to talk about the respective prices of those 2 cpu's? No, of course you don't. It's quite amusing that you mention fanboism TC, because that is *exactly* what you are.

Where are your threads applauding the 965 BE??? Oh wait...why would intel fanboys do that huh?

Give me a break, do you think my head zips up the back?

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

Wrong question. Where are my threads DISCREDITING it. You discredit Intel in almost every one of your posts. You said that Spider will be "superior" to an i5 system, but I haven't seen any superiority demonstrated.

i5 is on par with PII in gaming, but then pulls out an advantage in other benchmarks. i5 costs less, and uses less energy. It's in the sweet spot price range of ~$200. The only things it does not do is scale GPUs well or make you breakfast.

I'm not saying that AMD shouldn't be a choice, but I am saying that i5 > 965BE in nearly every situation, minus the niche of multi-GPU.

If someone was looking to spend less and still get good gaming performance I would tell them to take a look at the PII X3's. If someone was doing some heavy CPU intensive stuff and wasn't about to spend $200 on a processor, then a good PII X4 system with some AMD integrated graphics might be a good choice.

However, if you're building a gaming rig in the $600-1000 range Core i5 would be my current recomendation if AMD doesn't drastically lower prices. And even if AMD lowers prices, they still have to deal with i5 beating significantly it in many non-gaming benchmarks as well as the lower power requirements.

And your arguments trying to suggest that Intel is burning money to gain marketshare is utter BS, as Intel continues to profit and AMD is the one burning money to gain marketshare.

fazers_on_stun · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

LOL - sorry but it doesn't take a genius to catch you out. In fact, you do a very good job of it yourself, which just proved my point!

.

Seriously - now who is gonna buy the Dragon platform with a P2-965 and use the IGP?? Oops, there went the first half of your statement - "Blub-blub -- the bow is underwater, Sir! Should we abandon ship yet?? Blub-blub..." :sol:

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

Where am I discrediting i5?

The only place i5 beats the 965 'significantly' is in synthetics. You know what sysmark is right?

As for the multi gpu thing, just wait until the 5800's are released in a couple of weeks and then we'll see how strained those 8x lanes are when xfired. It's a potential issue and one that needs to be made clear while you and fazers would much rather just brush it under the carpet.

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

fazers_on_stun :

But Fazers, over at AMDZone they like to pretend that people would actually play modern games at 15-20 FPS and be happy! Drink the koolaid!

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

WRONG. More FUD. I didn't even look at synthetics. Take a look at real-world non-gaming benchmarks at any of these sites:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2909/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_750_and_core_i7_870_performance_testing/index.html

http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7-870_i5-750_-_nehalem_for_the_mainstream/

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i5-and-i7-Processors-and-P55-Chipset/

http://www.techspot.com/news/36131-intel-core-i5-750-processor-review.html

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17545

My threshold of signifiance starts at around 3%, although I'm sure you'll want to raise the bar of significance if you really read the benchmarks and see things like this:

AMD takes over 12% longer in that one. But maybe Tweak town is biased....

965BE takes over 25% longer... But of course that isn't significant to you... But Techgage must be biased.

Wanna unzip some files? Well be prepared to wait longer if you use a 965BE instead of an i5. But HotHardware must be biased....

Do I need to go on? Either every site is biased, or the i5 pulls ahead in both synthetic and non-synthetic CPU intensive tasks.

It's a WORLD-WIDE Anti-AMD CONSPIRACY!!! Either that or the i5 is a better CPU, especially outside of gaming, while at a cheap price and lower power requirements.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

You keep going on about this cheaper price TC. Prove it.

TechnologyCoordinator · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

I'm glad you asked!

PII 965BE - 249.00USD on Newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103692
i5 750 - 209.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

I'll do the math for you too, AMD's product, while using more energy and being significantly slower in CPU intensive benchmarks costs 18.5% more on NewEgg.com!

Proven.

But it must just be a NewEgg thing, right?

WRONG.

i5 750 209.99 - TigerDirect - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5210397&CatId=4731
PII 965BE - $249.99 - TigerDirect - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4950609&CatId=4432

Double Proven.

But surely we can find the Phenom II 965BE cheaper elsewhere, right?

http://www.google.com/products?q=Phenom+II+965&aq=f

Wrong.

You fail.

You just in your mind pointed out the Ewiz.com (who the hell are they) listing with the 965BE for $239.99, but don't worry, click on it, it's actually 249.99.

You still fail.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

And with mobo and cooler?

dna708 · Sep 8, 2009

jennyh :

If we're talking about just which CPU is the fastest, from your benchmarks, they are basically even. The 750 pulls a lead in cinebench and StaxRip. The pII 965 gains a pretty good lead in Pov. In the Megatasking benchies, it's overall a 1 point difference.

If we're talking about price, they'll probably end up being a $80 difference once the pII drops in price for the first 3-4 months. But after that, the difference will probably drop to about $20-40.

Strictly in terms of which is the better architecture, the i5 wins. We're comparing a 2.66ghz cpu to a 3.4ghz cpu where it basically is even at this frequency. Even in single threaded applications where turbo for the i5-750 hits 3.2ghz, it is still at a clock disadvantage. Therefore I believe it is not incorrect in saying that the i5 is a superior CPU.

jennyh · Sep 8, 2009

Perhaps you missed my earlier link?

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19979&page=8

pov-ray and x264 wins for the Phenom 965 BE no? Or are we ignoring that?

Lynnfield benchmarks up

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