Phenom 955 BE or Core i5 750

I am looking for the one that would suit my needs. I will be Programming a Lot, and gaming quite a bit aswell. Which one is better for me? (Overclocked or Normal)

What is your budget?

i originally had a build plan all layed out for the 955 cpu but just read some i5 reviews and benchmarks and it smokes 955 many areas. in my opinion the i5 has crippled any cometition from AMD in performance and price.

go i5. it will cost you the same as just about any 955 configuration and its a better cpu/build.

Yea I agree....even though there is speculation that AMD will slash the current price on their quads, whatever you save on a 955 build will not compensate for the performance you lose by not chosing the 750...Basically there is no reason to go AMD at this point in time, specially when an i5 build is cheaper than a 955 build ATM...

i find the v10 needlessly expensive, you might need to buy an aditional converter bracket to fit it onto the lga 1156 socket

i dont think they have one yet as the i5 is brand new, might have to wait a few weeks.

If i were to buy an i5, which cooler would you recommend, and the same for a Phenom 955.

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

this should help you pick a cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 0Heatsinks

currently their are only 2 lga 1156 cpu heatsinks i can find on newegg, hope this helps.

As far as I know the mounting hardware is the same both for 775 and 1156... Anyone know if this is 100% accurate? If a 775 cooler is compatible with a 1156 socket using the exact same hardware then it looks like there is no difference at all... unless I missed something here....

im looking at a pic of the 1156 and 775 stock coolers and they look almost identical in size, but just to be sure i wouldent assume they are the same.

They are not, there's a 3mm difference.

Well Noctua released a SE2 edition of their NH U12P cooler, 775/1156/1366 compatible. Not sure about the availability in the US though...

Yea it's a matter of time .... Next week we should see around 10-15 more available....

Am i reading that post correct an i5 750 is equal to a Q9550 which is equal to a p2 955? from what I have seen the i5 750 gives either of those 2 cpu's a floggin lol

Intel should be lowering those prices as well once the i5 has saturated the market......

You know something else that is funny?

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 269.99$....... 60 dollars more expensive than the 750.....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115054

Would be sweet since a decent 775 mobo can be purchased for less than 100$

If you need the performance of multiple GPUs, especially gaming, go i7 on LGA1366 for three features: triple channel RAM, 2xPCIE x16, and hyperthreading. If you don't need that level of performance, particularly in games (i.e. any single video card), look at Q9550 or Phenom II for user-visibly similar performance for a lot less money. And, if you can, wait 2-3 weeks because prices will likely change a lot, for many things. If LGA775 and AMD AM3 CPU prices drop much at all, i5 = FAIL; those who need the performance will get i7 on LGA1366 if they don't want future regrets, and those who don't need that level of performance will get it much cheaper with LGA775 or AM3, leaving i5 with no reason to exist.

Don't forget, the 550s have a good probability of stably unlocking as well.

Except that it is the best gaming CPU for the money. It can easily handle 2 GPUs, much better than Phenom II or C2Q, and is at a very good price point. It has a great market, the high end. i7 has the elite high end while Phenom II has the low and midrange.

For budget gamers:

Phenom II + single midrange to high end card (4870 or 4890).

For high end gamers:

Core i5 or i7 LGA 1156 + 2 high end cards (2 4890s)

Ultra high end:

Core i7 920 + multi card setups (3 4890s, 2 GTX 295s)

That is how I see the market right now.

Well you see it badly. First, I5 is slower or tied with PII so I5 is not high end. I7 920 is also not ultra high end as it is reserved for 975. PII handles CF better than the I7 and saying that I7 scales better than Core2/Phenom II in CF is a lie. And yes, PII + midrange card is for budget conscious gamers, but so is I7 + midrange card. PII indeed has both low and high end, but not enthusiast end options. PII 5xx low end, 7xx & 8xx midrange, 9xx high end. Generally the I7 is a better option than PII at this moment if you do anything except gaming, but the PII also has an edge in encryption, x264 encoding and multiple ATI cards (CF). Core I5 doesn't really make any sense to me. At first I thought they would be releasing something nice for a change and get back to midrange. But it is not all that cheap and will perform much worse than I7. Also, getting the crippled 8xx versions of I7 that are also overpriced is pointless.

Its seems to me no matter what the benchmarks, there are some AMD bare back riders which profusely refuse to recognise that Intels new kid on the block is better than anything AMD has knocked out.

When AMD had the 64 out it beat Prescotts with a long stick, Intel people admitted AMD had a killer cpu especially when it went dual core.

Now AMD followers, lovers what ever need to grow up a bit and reliase that not all is rosey...

Will the I-Core 5 be the last nail in the AMD coffin... I hope not.

Looking forward to a long tradition of i series processors with the core i 7 being top where ever we are for a while when the 6 core comes.

AMD Chips dont seem that cheap any more...

You're wrong, if you look at the benchmarks just from Toms you'll see that they're actually pretty close. For example at 1680X1050 and 4AA no AF single 4870x2 or single GTX285 (the most common resolution/settings/high end GPU) you'll see very little difference between the i5 750 with turbo boost and a non overclocked PII 965 in any of the games benchmarked. The biggest margin is in a game where the PII 965 is still delivering 111 fps, so the difference is pretty moot. If you can show me a list of benchmarks where the i5 750 "beats down" i'd really like to see a list.

At normal gaming resolutions and quality options there isn't a dime's worth of difference. Apply the 50-60 buck difference to a better GPU (and that difference is going to grow soon). That's predicated on if gaming is your primary concern. I don't know how this programming you speak of would be affected by the CPU. If its CPU intensive, the i5 750 would most likely be the better choice.

oh god use the same for AMD and I5
not fare you add for I5 mid tower not full like what you add for AMD and
the mobo for amd you add high end FX why you didn't use GX or X shipsit
the hard drive in amd WD black not like the I5 it is SAMSUNG and
the ram you use for amd OCZ Reaper not like what you use for I5 G.SKILL
over all I5 better
the amd price 1055
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over all I5 better

They should, soon.... But I doubt again that peeps will go with the 965 over the 750 just cause they saved 60 bucks.....As far as the new benchmarks that are running all over the net, it will be hard for AMD to convince the public that the 965 is a better buy overall compared to the 750....