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September 9, 2009 7:48:41 PM

I am looking for the one that would suit my needs. I will be Programming a Lot, and gaming quite a bit aswell. Which one is better for me? (Overclocked or Normal)

More about : phenom 955 core 750

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September 9, 2009 7:56:58 PM

What is your budget?
September 9, 2009 7:59:13 PM

For entire system, roughly 1900. Though my Case + CPU cooler + 8 LED fans for it is around $400 - 450.
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September 9, 2009 8:00:16 PM

i originally had a build plan all layed out for the 955 cpu but just read some i5 reviews and benchmarks and it smokes 955 many areas. in my opinion the i5 has crippled any cometition from AMD in performance and price.

go i5. it will cost you the same as just about any 955 configuration and its a better cpu/build.
September 9, 2009 8:04:03 PM

The i7 860 is almost a must for a budget of roughly 1500, get it and 2 4890s and enjoy the awesomeness, or wait until the ATI 5000 series comes out and enjoy the even more awesome awesomeness!
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September 9, 2009 8:10:58 PM

Yea I agree....even though there is speculation that AMD will slash the current price on their quads, whatever you save on a 955 build will not compensate for the performance you lose by not chosing the 750...Basically there is no reason to go AMD at this point in time, specially when an i5 build is cheaper than a 955 build ATM...
September 9, 2009 8:16:49 PM

If i get a V10 CPU Cooler (i REALLY want one), will it fit on a i5 CPU?
September 9, 2009 8:23:15 PM

i find the v10 needlessly expensive, you might need to buy an aditional converter bracket to fit it onto the lga 1156 socket
September 9, 2009 8:24:56 PM

Where could i buy that bracket?
September 9, 2009 8:28:51 PM

i dont think they have one yet as the i5 is brand new, might have to wait a few weeks.
September 9, 2009 8:54:44 PM

The V10 is a horrible idea, it doesn't perform any better than the normal high end coolers but it is bulky, hard to install, and it can bend your motherboard.
September 9, 2009 9:00:51 PM

If i were to buy an i5, which cooler would you recommend, and the same for a Phenom 955.
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September 9, 2009 9:02:05 PM

Not even.... I would rather spend 209.99 for the 750 than save 60 bucks and regret it later down the road.... i5 all the way.....
September 9, 2009 9:06:55 PM

Those cannot hold a core i5.
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September 9, 2009 9:21:37 PM

As far as I know the mounting hardware is the same both for 775 and 1156... Anyone know if this is 100% accurate? If a 775 cooler is compatible with a 1156 socket using the exact same hardware then it looks like there is no difference at all... unless I missed something here....
September 9, 2009 9:22:53 PM

I'll just buy one and try it ^_^
September 9, 2009 9:27:17 PM

im looking at a pic of the 1156 and 775 stock coolers and they look almost identical in size, but just to be sure i wouldent assume they are the same.
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September 9, 2009 9:33:07 PM

Well if you look at the pictures on Newegg you will see that the Coolermaster comes only with the push pins and the AM3 mounting hardware... That normally means it will work with both sockets w/o needing anymore hardware.....
September 9, 2009 9:35:13 PM

paperfox said:
im looking at a pic of the 1156 and 775 stock coolers and they look almost identical in size, but just to be sure i wouldent assume they are the same.


They are not, there's a 3mm difference.
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September 9, 2009 9:40:24 PM

So why is there only 2 coolers to choose from? I would asume that the Egg would have at least 10 coolers to choose from, unless there is another site that has more of a variety you are basically screwed waiting till they are in stock...

Anyways here are a couple to choose from :

http://www.quietpcusa.com/CPU-Cooler---Intel-LGA-1156-C...
September 9, 2009 9:45:14 PM

Well Noctua released a SE2 edition of their NH U12P cooler, 775/1156/1366 compatible. Not sure about the availability in the US though...
September 9, 2009 9:45:50 PM

i remember when lga 1366 came out newegg only had like 3 coolers out then. but a week later their where tons of mounting brackets for sale.
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September 9, 2009 9:47:44 PM

Yea it's a matter of time .... Next week we should see around 10-15 more available....
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September 9, 2009 10:44:08 PM

Some LGA1156 motherboards have sockets for a LGA1366 cooler, make sure you check which ones have the option. The i5 750 = Q9550 = P2 955. Spend a bit more money and get the i7 860 or the i7 920.
September 10, 2009 1:29:43 AM

dirtmountain said:
Some LGA1156 motherboards have sockets for a LGA1366 cooler, make sure you check which ones have the option. The i5 750 = Q9550 = P2 955. Spend a bit more money and get the i7 860 or the i7 920.


Am i reading that post correct an i5 750 is equal to a Q9550 which is equal to a p2 955? from what I have seen the i5 750 gives either of those 2 cpu's a floggin lol
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September 10, 2009 5:08:25 AM

I can understand that, taking advantage of 775 owners who don't want to upgrade their motherboard. Intel is the same as any other corporation, money first.

Edit: also on Newegg, the 9650 includes a free bunny! woohoo!
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September 10, 2009 6:05:05 AM

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The 750 is as equal as the Q9650 which is hilarious because the 9650 is 320 dollars


Intel should be lowering those prices as well once the i5 has saturated the market......

You know something else that is funny?

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 269.99$....... 60 dollars more expensive than the 750..... :pfff: 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




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September 10, 2009 6:19:48 AM

Well at least you get to brag about the Bunny gift you get.......


on the other hand, that C2D overclocks very well....
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September 10, 2009 6:25:02 AM

Would be sweet since a decent 775 mobo can be purchased for less than 100$
September 10, 2009 6:52:39 AM

Phenom II 550 is $110, OCs to around 3.6-3.9, similar clock for clock. Not quite as potent, but enough to remove any bottleneck in a non-well-clock-optimized game. For those, Phenom II 965s and Core i5s are the way to go.

Edit: I meant non-well-threading-optimized.
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September 10, 2009 3:14:59 PM

If you need the performance of multiple GPUs, especially gaming, go i7 on LGA1366 for three features: triple channel RAM, 2xPCIE x16, and hyperthreading. If you don't need that level of performance, particularly in games (i.e. any single video card), look at Q9550 or Phenom II for user-visibly similar performance for a lot less money. And, if you can, wait 2-3 weeks because prices will likely change a lot, for many things. If LGA775 and AMD AM3 CPU prices drop much at all, i5 = FAIL; those who need the performance will get i7 on LGA1366 if they don't want future regrets, and those who don't need that level of performance will get it much cheaper with LGA775 or AM3, leaving i5 with no reason to exist.
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September 10, 2009 3:17:45 PM

smithereen said:
Phenom II 550 is $110, OCs to around 3.6-3.9, similar clock for clock. Not quite as potent, but enough to remove any bottleneck in a non-well-clock-optimized game. For those, Phenom II 965s and Core i5s are the way to go.


Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=1895&applica...

http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=1771&applica...
September 10, 2009 4:09:32 PM

Don't forget, the 550s have a good probability of stably unlocking as well.
September 10, 2009 4:12:43 PM

1980436,42,446940 said:
Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

What? In the link you provided, only the top 30 are above 4gHz... And CPU-Z validations are hardly representative of the norm at the best of times.
September 10, 2009 5:01:04 PM

Onus said:
If you need the performance of multiple GPUs, especially gaming, go i7 on LGA1366 for three features: triple channel RAM, 2xPCIE x16, and hyperthreading. If you don't need that level of performance, particularly in games (i.e. any single video card), look at Q9550 or Phenom II for user-visibly similar performance for a lot less money. And, if you can, wait 2-3 weeks because prices will likely change a lot, for many things. If LGA775 and AMD AM3 CPU prices drop much at all, i5 = FAIL; those who need the performance will get i7 on LGA1366 if they don't want future regrets, and those who don't need that level of performance will get it much cheaper with LGA775 or AM3, leaving i5 with no reason to exist.


Except that it is the best gaming CPU for the money. It can easily handle 2 GPUs, much better than Phenom II or C2Q, and is at a very good price point. It has a great market, the high end. i7 has the elite high end while Phenom II has the low and midrange.

For budget gamers:

Phenom II + single midrange to high end card (4870 or 4890).

For high end gamers:

Core i5 or i7 LGA 1156 + 2 high end cards (2 4890s)

Ultra high end:

Core i7 920 + multi card setups (3 4890s, 2 GTX 295s)

That is how I see the market right now.
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September 10, 2009 5:08:53 PM

^ +1 The_Blood_Raven...

Here are two builds for comparison...

AM3: $1,144.86
  • CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail
  • MOBO: ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
  • RAM: OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR16004GK - Retail
  • HSF: Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
  • HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
  • PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
  • GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
  • DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
  • Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
  • Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


    Core i5:$ 997.90
  • CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
  • MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
  • RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
  • HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail
  • HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
  • PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
  • GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
  • DVD: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM
  • Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
  • Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

    The Core i5 build is roughly $200 cheaper, which will perform the same or better than the best AM3 chip.
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    September 10, 2009 5:22:08 PM

    The_Blood_Raven said:
    Except that it is the best gaming CPU for the money. It can easily handle 2 GPUs, much better than Phenom II or C2Q, and is at a very good price point. It has a great market, the high end. i7 has the elite high end while Phenom II has the low and midrange.

    For budget gamers:

    Phenom II + single midrange to high end card (4870 or 4890).

    For high end gamers:

    Core i5 or i7 LGA 1156 + 2 high end cards (2 4890s)

    Ultra high end:

    Core i7 920 + multi card setups (3 4890s, 2 GTX 295s)

    That is how I see the market right now.


    Well you see it badly. First, I5 is slower or tied with PII so I5 is not high end. I7 920 is also not ultra high end as it is reserved for 975. PII handles CF better than the I7 and saying that I7 scales better than Core2/Phenom II in CF is a lie. And yes, PII + midrange card is for budget conscious gamers, but so is I7 + midrange card. PII indeed has both low and high end, but not enthusiast end options. PII 5xx low end, 7xx & 8xx midrange, 9xx high end. Generally the I7 is a better option than PII at this moment if you do anything except gaming, but the PII also has an edge in encryption, x264 encoding and multiple ATI cards (CF). Core I5 doesn't really make any sense to me. At first I thought they would be releasing something nice for a change and get back to midrange. But it is not all that cheap and will perform much worse than I7. Also, getting the crippled 8xx versions of I7 that are also overpriced is pointless.
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    September 10, 2009 5:29:26 PM

    Quote:
    I dont think i've ever seen a 550 owner on this site do more then 4Ghz. I have seen multiple people do 4.5+ with an E8500/E8600


    Well that is because you don't know anyone that has a 550 over 4Ghz... The only reason Im stuck at 4Ghz is due to my chipset and ram... I have 3 buddies that have their 550's at 4.5Ghz/4.6Ghz and 4.2Ghz on water using DDR3 ram and 790XT's....
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    September 10, 2009 5:37:23 PM


    Its seems to me no matter what the benchmarks, there are some AMD bare back riders which profusely refuse to recognise that Intels new kid on the block is better than anything AMD has knocked out.

    When AMD had the 64 out it beat Prescotts with a long stick, Intel people admitted AMD had a killer cpu especially when it went dual core.

    Now AMD followers, lovers what ever need to grow up a bit and reliase that not all is rosey...

    Will the I-Core 5 be the last nail in the AMD coffin... I hope not.

    Looking forward to a long tradition of i series processors with the core i 7 being top where ever we are for a while when the 6 core comes.

    AMD Chips dont seem that cheap any more...
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    September 10, 2009 5:46:57 PM

    smithereen said:
    1980436,42,446940 said:
    Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

    What? In the link you provided, only the top 30 are above 4gHz... And CPU-Z validations are hardly representative of the norm at the best of times.
    said:


    This friday I will be purchasing a new board with an SB750 and I can guarantee you that I will surpass 4Ghz on air....

    Here is a screenshot of a 550 (air) over 4Ghz :



    http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=670593
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    September 10, 2009 5:53:28 PM

    Quote:
    I5 slower then P2? What benchmarks were you looking at? From what i've seen the I5 750 beat down the 965 in almost every test. Anyone going with a 965 over a 750 now is just a fanboi and should be banned from this site. :lol: 


    You're wrong, if you look at the benchmarks just from Toms you'll see that they're actually pretty close. For example at 1680X1050 and 4AA no AF single 4870x2 or single GTX285 (the most common resolution/settings/high end GPU) you'll see very little difference between the i5 750 with turbo boost and a non overclocked PII 965 in any of the games benchmarked. The biggest margin is in a game where the PII 965 is still delivering 111 fps, so the difference is pretty moot. If you can show me a list of benchmarks where the i5 750 "beats down" i'd really like to see a list.
    September 10, 2009 5:56:29 PM

    Cryslayer80 said:
    Well you see it badly. First, I5 is slower or tied with PII so I5 is not high end. I7 920 is also not ultra high end as it is reserved for 975. PII handles CF better than the I7 and saying that I7 scales better than Core2/Phenom II in CF is a lie. And yes, PII + midrange card is for budget conscious gamers, but so is I7 + midrange card. PII indeed has both low and high end, but not enthusiast end options. PII 5xx low end, 7xx & 8xx midrange, 9xx high end. Generally the I7 is a better option than PII at this moment if you do anything except gaming, but the PII also has an edge in encryption, x264 encoding and multiple ATI cards (CF). Core I5 doesn't really make any sense to me. At first I thought they would be releasing something nice for a change and get back to midrange. But it is not all that cheap and will perform much worse than I7. Also, getting the crippled 8xx versions of I7 that are also overpriced is pointless.


    ehm, I'm gonna have to agree with The_Blood_Raven
    +1
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    September 10, 2009 6:00:28 PM

    At normal gaming resolutions and quality options there isn't a dime's worth of difference. Apply the 50-60 buck difference to a better GPU (and that difference is going to grow soon). That's predicated on if gaming is your primary concern. I don't know how this programming you speak of would be affected by the CPU. If its CPU intensive, the i5 750 would most likely be the better choice.
    September 10, 2009 6:14:12 PM

    dirtmountain said:
    For example at 1680X1050 and 4AA no AF single 4870x2 or single GTX285 (the most common resolution/settings/high end GPU) you'll see very little difference between the i5 750 with turbo boost and a non overclocked PII 965 in any of the games benchmarked.


    Ah, the same old 'CPU doesn't matter when you're running GPU-limited games' argument.

    If you really believe that, why not save some money by buying a dual-core instead?
    September 10, 2009 6:16:43 PM

    tecmo34 said:
    ^ +1 The_Blood_Raven...

    Here are two builds for comparison...

    AM3: $1,144.86
  • CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail
  • MOBO: ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
  • RAM: OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR16004GK - Retail
  • HSF: Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
  • HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
  • PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
  • GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
  • DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
  • Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
  • Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


    Core i5:$ 997.90
  • CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
  • MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
  • RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
  • HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail
  • HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
  • PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
  • GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
  • DVD: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM
  • Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
  • Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

    The Core i5 build is roughly $200 cheaper, which will perform the same or better than the best AM3 chip.


  • oh god use the same for AMD and I5
    not fare you add for I5 mid tower not full like what you add for AMD and
    the mobo for amd you add high end FX why you didn't use GX or X shipsit
    the hard drive in amd WD black not like the I5 it is SAMSUNG and
    the ram you use for amd OCZ Reaper not like what you use for I5 G.SKILL
    over all I5 better
    the amd price 1055
    MSI 790FX-GD70
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
    over all I5 better
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    September 10, 2009 6:24:32 PM

    IMO both builds will come up to more or less the same price if you use the same components....

    The i5 is still a better buy regardless, not that the 965 is inferior in any way... Just a smarter buy....
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    September 10, 2009 6:28:38 PM

    They should, soon.... But I doubt again that peeps will go with the 965 over the 750 just cause they saved 60 bucks.....As far as the new benchmarks that are running all over the net, it will be hard for AMD to convince the public that the 965 is a better buy overall compared to the 750....
    !