I5, not overclocking do i need a cpu cooler?

[silvergo]

well i was wondering, if i bought an i5, should i buy a cpu cooler, do i need to or the stock cooler will do fine? and also at stock speed whats better 955 or i5, thx

 

[Proximon]

I5 is better at stock, and yes you want to buy a CPU cooler.

This is a pretty good budget solution. It's new so we don't have a lot of options right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064

 

[Gulli]

The stock cooler will be fine at stock, that's what it was meant for.

You can't compare the Phenom 955 to "i5" because there are different models of i5 chips, but clock for clock i5 is (slightly) better.

 

[jennyh]

I5 is better at stock, and yes you want to buy a CPU cooler.

This is a pretty good budget solution. It's new so we don't have a lot of options right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064

Bullshit.

The Phenom II destroys the i5 at stock. In fact, the i5 at stock is slower than a Phenom X3 710.

 

[dirtmountain]

Well unless you're overclocking, the i5 750 cooler is fine. In terms of performance in gaming they're pretty much equal.

 

[thuglife11]

Bullshit.

The Phenom II destroys the i5 at stock. In fact, the i5 at stock is slower than a Phenom X3 710.

You're joking right?

i5 is better then the 965 when they're both at stock, lol.

 

[Proximon]

Here are some actual benchmarks:

Anandtech
Tom's Hardware
Hardocp

 

[jennyh]

You're joking right?

i5 is better then the 965 when they're both at stock, lol.

Aaaand, here we go again.

Every i5 bench had it overclocked. Every one you saw, was with the i5 overclocked. You didn't notice it, because you're exactly the type of retard that intel sell cpu's to.

 

[jennyh]

Here are some actual benchmarks:

Anandtech
Tom's Hardware
Hardocp

ALL WITH THE i5 OVERCLOCKED VS A STOCK PHENOM.

 

[RIOTinYOURcity]

Aaaand, here we go again.

Every i5 bench had it overclocked. Every one you saw, was with the i5 overclocked. You didn't notice it, because you're exactly the type of retard that intel sell cpu's to.

*sigh*

the i5 was overclocked to match all other cpus at the highest stock setting. all cpus were at the same GHz while being benchmarked and the 965 was almost always on the bottom of the charts while being equally clocked with all other cpus.

 

[Gulli]

Aaaand, here we go again.

Every i5 bench had it overclocked. Every one you saw, was with the i5 overclocked. You didn't notice it, because you're exactly the type of retard that intel sell cpu's to.

These weren't overclocked: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-12.html http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/07/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_i7_processors/4 but seriously, how many AMD-stocks do you own, or do you just get a rush from flaming people for no apparent reason?

 

[dirtmountain]

Here's more benchmarks. Again look at the gaming performance between the Q9550/P2 955 and the i5 750.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=837
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=361&Itemid=63
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2909/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_750_and_core_i7_870_performance_testing/index.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/801
http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7-870_i5-750_-_nehalem_for_the_mainstream/

Quite frankly the real world gaming performance between those 3 processors is basically equal. Some games are better on one processor, others are better on another, some differences in GPUs, but in terms of real world performance... no difference.

 

[dirtmountain]

Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it.

 

[jennyh]

If i see one more retard say that the i5 is faster than the 965 BE at stock, then yes...I will get rush from flaming their asses.

It's been talked about long enough, and no just because it's been talked about does not make it any different. Lies and bullshit are lies and bullshit, and that is something I will not tolerate from anyone.

 

[RIOTinYOURcity]

Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it.

ha whoops but it really doesnt matter. any AMD chip still have an extremely hard time competing. if you even want to call it that anymore at the price range

 

[jennyh]

Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it.

Overclocking a cpu is part of a cpu's abilities. What's the difference? Except you goddam idiots who buy into it now intel does it automatically?

You never oc'd before, but now it's ok because the cpu does it automatically? Get real.

 

[dirtmountain]

Just read the benchmarks, there's over a dozen out there. You'll see in gaming and some other applications the 955/965/9550/9650/i5 750 are neck and neck. It doesn't really matter if the i5 has 162 fps in one game with a single 4870 and the P955 has 146fps. In other games the p55 has 48 fps and the i5 750 has 42.
*just one cherry picked example, but there are others*
http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7-870_i5-750_-_nehalem_for_the_mainstream/10

 

[silvergo]

yea thats what i was thinking, is it really worth it if i get the i5 over the 955 if i will only be gaming while multitasking at the same time? is it worth the extra 50 bucks thx

 

[dirtmountain]

Take a few deep breaths jennyh, there's a huge difference between someone overclocking a CPU and the i5/i7 CPUs that do it automatically depending on what the usage is. In fact you have to actively turn off turbo boost to stop it from working.

 

[jennyh]

Take a few deep breaths jennyh, there's a huge difference between someone overclocking a CPU and the i5/i7 CPUs that do it automatically depending on what the usage is. In fact you have to actively turn off turbo boost to stop it from working.

We're talking about something that *is not guaranteed* by intel.

It is being benchmarked and sold as this great new thing, but intel *do not guarantee* it. Not 1mhz above stock.

This cpu should not even be considered at anything except stock levels, anything else should be put under overclocking benchmarks.

Are you gonna be here to pick up the pieces from the i5 buyers who ended up with lame duck cpu's stuck at 2.6ghz? Who is?

 

[RIOTinYOURcity]

yea thats what i was thinking, is it really worth it if i get the i5 over the 955 if i will only be gaming while multitasking at the same time? is it worth the extra 50 bucks thx

I think its worth it. I had an 955 AMD build all ready to go then I read all the benchmarks and checked prices. Depending on your build config the i5 costs the same as a 955 config, mine did anyways. I was going for quality while staying cost effective.

 

[RIOTinYOURcity]

We're talking about something that *is not guaranteed* by intel.

It is being benchmarked and sold as this great new thing, but intel *do not guarantee* it. Not 1mhz above stock.

This cpu should not even be considered at anything except stock levels, anything else should be put under overclocking benchmarks.

Are you gonna be here to pick up the pieces from the i5 buyers who ended up with lame duck cpu's stuck at 2.6ghz? Who is?

personally, i'm waiting till 2010 before i buy a new rig. by then i5 statements will be completely accurate and maybe improved. if not i'll go with a 955 setup

nobodys going to give you a shoulder to cry on if your cpu cant OC. thats why its important to wait a few months.

 

[dirtmountain]

T answer the OP, i put this build together for my brother, he specified a single GPU and a storm scout case. The cost as of now is $900, free shipping and not counting rebates. it's an i5 750 build. If he can spring for another $100 i'd get the i7 860.

CPU/mobo combo - $305 i5/750 Gigabyte P55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.246589

RAM / GPU combo - $240 G.Skill low voltage RAM 2x2 GB DDR3 1333 7-7-7-21 and a GTX 260 (the games he plays work better with Nvidia)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.256527

Case/PSU combo - $140 Coolermaster Storm Scout / CM 600w PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.250626

HD - $75 WD 640 SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.250626

Burner - $30 Sony optiarc SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030

OS - $110 Vista 64 bit with upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116677

around $900. There's places to save a bit of money here and there, but he wants that case and the GPU is a very good choice for his uses.

 

[silvergo]

nice combo on the case, i was thinking antec 900 but i ono now that case is kinda similar. the psu is kinda risky isnt it. and yes if you can sacrafice a lil you can get similar pricing compared to 955.

Riot: yea waiting is good and youll get better deals, but waiting too much mean more better stuff comes out and the cycle continues lol. ive waited 4 months and its time to buy =p

 

[sanchz]

Facts:
1-Core i5 @ 2.66GHz WITHOUT Turbo Boost is slightly better than Phenom II 965.
2-Core i5 @ 2.66GHz WITH Turbo Boost is better than Phenom II 965.
3-Core i5 is currently 50 bucks cheaper than PII 965.
4-LGA 1156 mobos are sold at as low as $100.
5-I am AMD biased, yet I admit i5 is a better CPU than PII and am even considering it for a future build.

Conclusions:
1-Core i5 was meant to be used with Turbo Boost.
2-Intel does not guarantee that each processor's thermal dissipation, etc will give enough headroom for the highest Turbo Boost bins, but the feature works well.
3-So, if you just say Turbo Boost is overclocking, then you should compare it to a Phenom II @ 2.66GHz, and disable 2MBs of Core i5's L3 cache and Turbo Boost. However, benchmarks just reflect what consumers get for their money, which leads to:
4-CPUs are benchmarked at their stock setting, and each one may have its own "tricks" to earn some more points.
5-Even though Turbo Boost is implemented, Nehalem is inevitably a superior architecture.
6-We'll have to wait till AMD adjusts its prices, since there is no way the 965 priced at $250 can be a better deal than $210.
7-AMD fanboys (I AM a fanboy) get this straight: AMD won't reward you for your efforts to defend it. AMD is a company which does not care for your feelings, and is not a person who everyone is attacking.
8-Everyone: fanboyism just leads to pointless flaming. Just make an unbiased balance on price/performance and your current needs, and get the product you think is more suitable. And mind you, everyone, AMD has to exist. A clear evidence of lack of competition is the ridiculously high prices of Core i7 870, 950, 975 for just barely 10% performance benefits.