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well i was wondering, if i bought an i5, should i buy a cpu cooler, do i need to or the stock cooler will do fine? and also at stock speed whats better 955 or i5, thx
I5 is better at stock, and yes you want to buy a CPU cooler.
This is a pretty good budget solution. It's new so we don't have a lot of options right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103064
The stock cooler will be fine at stock, that's what it was meant for.
You can't compare the Phenom 955 to "i5" because there are different models of i5 chips, but clock for clock i5 is (slightly) better.
Message edited by Gulli on 09-10-2009 at 12:35:27 AM
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| Proximon wrote : I5 is better at stock, and yes you want to buy a CPU cooler.
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Bullshit.
The Phenom II destroys the i5 at stock. In fact, the i5 at stock is slower than a Phenom X3 710.
Well unless you're overclocking, the i5 750 cooler is fine. In terms of performance in gaming they're pretty much equal.
| jennyh wrote : Bullshit.
|
You're joking right?
i5 is better then the 965 when they're both at stock, lol.
Here are some actual benchmarks:
Anandtech
Tom's Hardware
Hardocp
| thuglife11 wrote : You're joking right? i5 is better then the 965 when they're both at stock, lol. |
Aaaand, here we go again.
Every i5 bench had it overclocked. Every one you saw, was with the i5 overclocked. You didn't notice it, because you're exactly the type of retard that intel sell cpu's to.
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Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 12:41:27 AM
Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 12:41:27 AM
| Proximon wrote : Here are some actual benchmarks:
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ALL WITH THE i5 OVERCLOCKED VS A STOCK PHENOM.
| jennyh wrote : Aaaand, here we go again.
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*sigh*
the i5 was overclocked to match all other cpus at the highest stock setting. all cpus were at the same GHz while being benchmarked and the 965 was almost always on the bottom of the charts while being equally clocked with all other cpus.
Message edited by RIOTinYOURcity on 09-10-2009 at 12:54:53 AM
| jennyh wrote : Aaaand, here we go again.
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These weren't overclocked: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 10-12.html http://www.hardocp.com/article/200 [...] ocessors/4 but seriously, how many AMD-stocks do you own, or do you just get a rush from flaming people for no apparent reason?
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Here's more benchmarks. Again look at the gaming performance between the Q9550/P2 955 and the i5 750.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=837
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index. [...] &Itemid=63
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2 [...] index.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/801
http://techgage.com/article/intel_ [...] ainstream/
Quite frankly the real world gaming performance between those 3 processors is basically equal. Some games are better on one processor, others are better on another, some differences in GPUs, but in terms of real world performance... no difference.
Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it.
If i see one more retard say that the i5 is faster than the 965 BE at stock, then yes...I will get rush from flaming their asses.
It's been talked about long enough, and no just because it's been talked about does not make it any different. Lies and bullshit are lies and bullshit, and that is something I will not tolerate from anyone.
| dirtmountain wrote : Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it. |
ha whoops but it really doesnt matter. any AMD chip still have an extremely hard time competing. if you even want to call it that anymore at the price range
| dirtmountain wrote : Come on Riot, they used a PhenomII x4 920 which isn't even in production anymore for that review. And Jennyh turbo boost is a part of the i5 750s abilities, get off it. |
Overclocking a cpu is part of a cpu's abilities. What's the difference? Except you goddam idiots who buy into it now intel does it automatically?
You never oc'd before, but now it's ok because the cpu does it automatically? Get real.
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Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 01:03:08 AM
Message edited by jennyh on 09-10-2009 at 01:03:08 AM
Just read the benchmarks, there's over a dozen out there. You'll see in gaming and some other applications the 955/965/9550/9650/i5 750 are neck and neck. It doesn't really matter if the i5 has 162 fps in one game with a single 4870 and the P955 has 146fps. In other games the p55 has 48 fps and the i5 750 has 42.
*just one cherry picked example, but there are others*
http://techgage.com/article/intel_ [...] nstream/10
yea thats what i was thinking, is it really worth it if i get the i5 over the 955 if i will only be gaming while multitasking at the same time? is it worth the extra 50 bucks thx
Take a few deep breaths jennyh, there's a huge difference between someone overclocking a CPU and the i5/i7 CPUs that do it automatically depending on what the usage is. In fact you have to actively turn off turbo boost to stop it from working.
| dirtmountain wrote : Take a few deep breaths jennyh, there's a huge difference between someone overclocking a CPU and the i5/i7 CPUs that do it automatically depending on what the usage is. In fact you have to actively turn off turbo boost to stop it from working. |
We're talking about something that *is not guaranteed* by intel.
It is being benchmarked and sold as this great new thing, but intel *do not guarantee* it. Not 1mhz above stock.
This cpu should not even be considered at anything except stock levels, anything else should be put under overclocking benchmarks.
Are you gonna be here to pick up the pieces from the i5 buyers who ended up with lame duck cpu's stuck at 2.6ghz? Who is?
| silvergo wrote : yea thats what i was thinking, is it really worth it if i get the i5 over the 955 if i will only be gaming while multitasking at the same time? is it worth the extra 50 bucks thx |
I think its worth it. I had an 955 AMD build all ready to go then I read all the benchmarks and checked prices. Depending on your build config the i5 costs the same as a 955 config, mine did anyways. I was going for quality while staying cost effective.
| jennyh wrote : We're talking about something that *is not guaranteed* by intel.
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personally, i'm waiting till 2010 before i buy a new rig. by then i5 statements will be completely accurate and maybe improved. if not i'll go with a 955 setup
nobodys going to give you a shoulder to cry on if your cpu cant OC. thats why its important to wait a few months.
T answer the OP, i put this build together for my brother, he specified a single GPU and a storm scout case. The cost as of now is $900, free shipping and not counting rebates. it's an i5 750 build. If he can spring for another $100 i'd get the i7 860.
CPU/mobo combo - $305 i5/750 Gigabyte P55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.246589
RAM / GPU combo - $240 G.Skill low voltage RAM 2x2 GB DDR3 1333 7-7-7-21 and a GTX 260 (the games he plays work better with Nvidia)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.256527
Case/PSU combo - $140 Coolermaster Storm Scout / CM 600w PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.250626
HD - $75 WD 640 SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.250626
Burner - $30 Sony optiarc SATA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827118030
OS - $110 Vista 64 bit with upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116677
around $900. There's places to save a bit of money here and there, but he wants that case and the GPU is a very good choice for his uses.
Message edited by dirtmountain on 09-10-2009 at 01:26:21 AM
nice combo on the case, i was thinking antec 900 but i ono now that case is kinda similar. the psu is kinda risky isnt it. and yes if you can sacrafice a lil you can get similar pricing compared to 955.
Riot: yea waiting is good and youll get better deals, but waiting too much mean more better stuff comes out and the cycle continues lol. ive waited 4 months and its time to buy =p
Facts:
1-Core i5 @ 2.66GHz WITHOUT Turbo Boost is slightly better than Phenom II 965.
2-Core i5 @ 2.66GHz WITH Turbo Boost is better than Phenom II 965.
3-Core i5 is currently 50 bucks cheaper than PII 965.
4-LGA 1156 mobos are sold at as low as $100.
5-I am AMD biased, yet I admit i5 is a better CPU than PII and am even considering it for a future build.
Conclusions:
1-Core i5 was meant to be used with Turbo Boost.
2-Intel does not guarantee that each processor's thermal dissipation, etc will give enough headroom for the highest Turbo Boost bins, but the feature works well.
3-So, if you just say Turbo Boost is overclocking, then you should compare it to a Phenom II @ 2.66GHz, and disable 2MBs of Core i5's L3 cache and Turbo Boost. However, benchmarks just reflect what consumers get for their money, which leads to:
4-CPUs are benchmarked at their stock setting, and each one may have its own "tricks" to earn some more points.
5-Even though Turbo Boost is implemented, Nehalem is inevitably a superior architecture.
6-We'll have to wait till AMD adjusts its prices, since there is no way the 965 priced at $250 can be a better deal than $210.
7-AMD fanboys (I AM a fanboy) get this straight: AMD won't reward you for your efforts to defend it. AMD is a company which does not care for your feelings, and is not a person who everyone is attacking.
8-Everyone: fanboyism just leads to pointless flaming. Just make an unbiased balance on price/performance and your current needs, and get the product you think is more suitable. And mind you, everyone, AMD has to exist. A clear evidence of lack of competition is the ridiculously high prices of Core i7 870, 950, 975 for just barely 10% performance benefits.
Message edited by sanchz on 09-10-2009 at 04:13:40 AM
Good post sanchz.
Should sticky that.
Yes, with all the benchmarks that prove it. Until he does, the way i posted the benchmarks, it's FUD. In other words, explain this *again cherry picked" benchmark
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2 [...] ndex8.html
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Message edited by dirtmountain on 09-10-2009 at 04:43:22 AM
Message edited by dirtmountain on 09-10-2009 at 04:43:22 AM
| dirtmountain wrote : Yes, with all the benchmarks that prove it. Until he does, the way i posted the benchmarks, it's FUD. In other words, explain this *again cherry picked" benchmark
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well i do agree with the i5 being superior to amd chip. but isnt that site comparing it to a 955?
Yes it is, and as you can see the PII x4 955 and the i5 750 are pretty much equal in the benchmarks.
| dirtmountain wrote : Yes it is, and as you can see the PII x4 955 and the i5 750 are pretty much equal in the benchmarks. |
Well, duh. As even the review page says: "Gaming is no longer a good indication of true CPU performance. As you push over 1024 x 768 resolutions you see the GPU take over and dominate the performance scale."
Given that those benchmarks aren't CPU-limited, a Core 2 Duo would probably be just as fast as a PII X4; does that make it a better CPU?
| jennyh wrote : Overclocking a cpu is part of a cpu's abilities. What's the difference? Except you goddam idiots who buy into it now intel does it automatically?
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The difference is you get to keep your warranty with turbo boost, as well as speedstep, you don't have to do jack *** in the bios, the tdp won't go up, etc...
The PII's can't do that, otherwise AMD would've given them turbo boost.
| MarkG wrote : Well, duh. As even the review page says: "Gaming is no longer a good indication of true CPU performance. As you push over 1024 x 768 resolutions you see the GPU take over and dominate the performance scale." Given that those benchmarks aren't CPU-limited, a Core 2 Duo would probably be just as fast as a PII X4; does that make it a better CPU? |
If you buy a CPU for gaming, and the Core 2 Duo performs better then the PII x4 in the games you play or want to play, then yes, for you the Core 2 Duo is a better processor.
Message edited by dirtmountain on 09-11-2009 at 04:13:17 PM
JennyH is just spreading FUD and lies.
Turbo is not overclocking. JennyH can't provide one actual reason why you should turn Turbo off.
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| jennyh wrote : We're talking about something that *is not guaranteed* by intel.
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Once again, please stop talking. You're full of BS.
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JennyH, you made me dig into the Sharikou archives to find this one:
The Burninator on 7/15/07
http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2007/ [...] alive.html
| Quote : DO NOT BELIEVE PRO INTEL LIER!
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Please realize that this is what you sound like.
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I'm a new forum member here and
Presence of "jennyh" here makes me wonder about the quality of this whole forum.
I know I shouldn't generalize the whole forum based on one person but as I haven't encountered someone that ignorant, and that I happen to discover that kind of person the moment I stepped into this site....I don't know what to think.
... and I have to wonder why someone would dig up a 2 month old thread, wonderfully buried away where it was not likely to start another rant from someone, just to say "LOL".
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