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2x 8800GTS 512 -- 2x 4850 or single 4890?

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June 28, 2009 8:20:30 PM

Hello,

I'm planning to upgrade my system. Current specs are

--C2D E8400 @ 4.0 Ghz.
--8800GTS 512
--ASUS Maximus II Formula motherboard (p45)
--2x2Gb Corsair XMS2
--Corsair 850TX
Both the motherboard and PSU were purchased from a friend who was upgrading to an i7 system. The monitor resolution is 1680 x 1050.

As of now I have thought of 3 upgrade options. If any of you think up a further upgrade plan, please feel free to give your input.

1) Salvage an EVGA 680i SLI motherboard and buy a second 8800GTS 512 in a SLI configuration.
2) Sell the 8800GTS and buy two 4850s and put them in a CF configuration.
3) Buy a single 4890 and possibly add one down the road if needed.

My maximum budget is $250 which includes all funds from the 8800GTS if I decide to sell it.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated :) 
June 28, 2009 8:28:26 PM

that mobo can't do SLI, and two HD4850= HD4870

what res do you game at?, I thinking HD4890 right now
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June 28, 2009 8:36:53 PM

Forget about the SLI. You have $250. Sell the 8800 GTS 512. Add the proceeds to your budget. That should be enough for a GTX 285 which will perform better than SLI'd 8800 GTS 512s.
XFX GX285XZWBF GeForce GTX 285 1GB Black Edition
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June 28, 2009 8:37:07 PM

Amg said:
that mobo can't do SLI, and two HD4850= HD4870

what res do you game at?, I thinking HD4890 right now

Thank you for the prompt response.
I mentioned earlier (though I didn't elaborate) that I can salvage a EVGA 680i SLI motherboard from an old server system which I hardly ever keep running. That would give me the ability to SLI two 8800GTS's, though I admit I'd rather avoid that upgrade plan.

I believe I mentioned earlier that the resolution I'll be using is 1680 x 1050.

I tried looking up benchmarks and previous threads comparing two 4850's in crossfire VS. a single 4890. Views seemed to be mixed, and sadly the charts section on TH doesn't include crossfire setups.
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June 28, 2009 8:38:40 PM

Stick with what you have, motherboards with nVidia chipsets.....don't even go there.
You got a great overclock going, change to an nVidia board and never know what you end up with. Most likely it will not be as stable and reliable as what you have now.

4890 is what I would do.
June 28, 2009 8:40:37 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
Forget about the SLI. You have $250. Sell the 8800 GTS 512. Add the proceeds to your budget. That should be enough for a GTX 285 which will perform better than SLI'd 8800 GTS 512s.
XFX GX285XZWBF GeForce GTX 285 1GB Black Edition

Thats an idea, though I'm wondering whether I should go for an ATI card as my current board will give me the option to Crossfire two cards down the road. Any thoughts?
June 28, 2009 8:42:34 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
Forget about the SLI. You have $250. Sell the 8800 GTS 512. Add the proceeds to your budget. That should be enough for a GTX 285 which will perform better than SLI'd 8800 GTS 512s.
XFX GX285XZWBF GeForce GTX 285 1GB Black Edition



might as well use his crossfire ablities at a later stage if needed. the GTX285 is a nice card but annoylingly it can be beaten by a cheaper GTX275 and HD4890

so with the money you saved you can use on something else.
June 28, 2009 8:43:57 PM

jitpublisher said:
Stick with what you have, motherboards with nVidia chipsets.....don't even go there.
You got a great overclock going, change to an nVidia board and never know what you end up with. Most likely it will not be as stable and reliable as what you have now.

4890 is what I would do.

:lol:  That's the reason why I'm a bit hesitant to use the Nvidia board. I could hardly hit 3.6 without stability and NB overheating problems (not to mention it had a hard time giving stable voltage to the memory).
Thanks for the advice for the 4890, though would it be possible if you could elaborate on your reasoning?
June 28, 2009 8:48:39 PM

the HD4890 is the first GPU to hit over 1Ghz and its exremtly well priced its just a capable card, good all rounder. you get alot of card for your money. not saying Nvida cards are bad, they are just over priced.
June 28, 2009 8:56:03 PM

Amg said:
the HD4890 is the first GPU to hit over 1Ghz and its exremtly well priced its just a capable card, good all rounder. you get alot of card for your money. not saying Nvida cards are bad, they are just over priced.

Thank you for your input. As of now I'm leaning towards the 4890. However, I've heard that the 4890 can cause a annoying amount of fan noise, but opinions are mixed. Has anyone had any experience with the 4890? In the worst case scenario I'll put on a pair of headphones :) 
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June 28, 2009 9:03:14 PM

i also think you should get the 4890. Down the road, when the newer cards come out and prices drop, you can get another one to keep up with everything.
June 28, 2009 9:05:42 PM

I have 2 HD4890 in crossfire only annoyinly loud when the fan is turned right up on auto they are quite quiet cards

tip game with a headset ;) 
June 28, 2009 10:13:09 PM

uncfan_2563 said:
i also think you should get the 4890. Down the road, when the newer cards come out and prices drop, you can get another one to keep up with everything.

Amg said:
I have 2 HD4890 in crossfire only annoyinly loud when the fan is turned right up on auto they are quite quiet cards

tip game with a headset ;) 

Thanks for the input! I'll be ordering the 4890 tonight, or possibly tomorrow night.
My last question is, is there any brand you would suggest, or should I go for the card with the best warranty/price?
June 28, 2009 10:55:40 PM

if your overclocking them asus do a voltage tweak, and the warrenty covers it in case you put too much in and blow it, so the asus one in that case
sapphire has the best bundle with vantage, powerDVD and stuff
powercolour have one with a differet fan which is supposed to be quite effective and quite
than you got HIS and XFX there are no differents at this point unless you get teh sapphire atmic which is limited edtion
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June 29, 2009 3:13:39 AM

unless he wants a real warranty......XFX has the only decent warranty that I've heard of from the ATI side. I'd pick XFX myself.
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June 29, 2009 3:17:35 AM

Amg said:
that mobo can't do SLI, and two HD4850= HD4870

what res do you game at?, I thinking HD4890 right now


A 680i can do SLi.

And two 4850s will wipe the floor with a 4870

4870 < 4890 ~ GTX275 ~/< GTX280 < GTX285 < 2x4850
June 29, 2009 3:28:03 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
A 680i can do SLi.

And two 4850s will wipe the floor with a 4870

4870 < 4890 ~ GTX275 ~/< GTX280 < GTX285 < 2x4850

Interesting. So would the best option be CrossFiring two 4850's? Secondly, would I feel any noticeable difference between 512MB and 1GB of VRAM at 1680 x 1050?
June 29, 2009 4:18:19 AM

hundredislandsboy said:
Forget about the SLI. You have $250. Sell the 8800 GTS 512. Add the proceeds to your budget. That should be enough for a GTX 285 which will perform better than SLI'd 8800 GTS 512s.
XFX GX285XZWBF GeForce GTX 285 1GB Black Edition


They are about the exact same when it comes to how the game "feels", but the 8800 GTS 512s will do better in benchmarks. I've directly compared them.
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June 29, 2009 3:28:03 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
They are about the exact same when it comes to how the game "feels", but the 8800 GTS 512s will do better in benchmarks. I've directly compared them.


You benchmark a single GTX 275 and it get beat by dual 8800 GTS 512s? Did you overclock the GTX 275? In benchmarks, my GTX 260 beats my dual 9800 GTs but only if I overclock the GTX 260. At 1680 X 1050, the GTX 260 pulls faster framerates in CoD4 and Crysis than the twin 9800 GTs and the lone GTX 260 stays cooler too and is less noisy... all pluses right?
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June 29, 2009 3:36:49 PM

IMHO a single card should be able to best a dual card setup without needing to be OC'd if it's to be even considered as a worthy upgrade.
June 29, 2009 6:37:45 PM

hundredislandsboy said:
You benchmark a single GTX 275 and it get beat by dual 8800 GTS 512s? Did you overclock the GTX 275? In benchmarks, my GTX 260 beats my dual 9800 GTs but only if I overclock the GTX 260. At 1680 X 1050, the GTX 260 pulls faster framerates in CoD4 and Crysis than the twin 9800 GTs and the lone GTX 260 stays cooler too and is less noisy... all pluses right?


Both are factory spec, but both the 8800 GTS 512s and the GTX 285 overclock about the same so it is irrelevant. The negative is the price, $80-$100 for another 8800 GTS 512 or a $200+ for the 4890/GTX 275/GTX 285.

Mousemonkey said:
IMHO a single card should be able to best a dual card setup without needing to be OC'd if it's to be even considered as a worthy upgrade.


Exactly.
June 29, 2009 11:28:51 PM

of course and some games don't like SLI or crossfire or two HD48XX cores slaped on one PCB
June 30, 2009 12:22:04 AM

At this point I'm leaning towards buying a single 4890 now, and buy a second one in future if a upgrade is needed.

The idea of CF'ing two 4850's is compelling, but after looking up some benchmarks it looks like it doesn't give even performance across the board. The 4890 on the other hand will give enough performance right now and leaves me the option of adding another card instead of dumping two cards for an upgrade.

I'm not entirely sure if the latest ATI drivers have fixed the CF performance issue/drop I saw in some of the benchmarks as I've never used an ATI card before (asides from an ATI Rage 128 card my Dad had in his PC a long time ago).
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June 30, 2009 12:48:07 AM

1) If you are going to upgrade, get something that is at least a couple of levels better.
8800GTS-512 > GTX275/4890 or better. Anything less, and you will be disappointed by a small gain.

2) I would pick a single card with a single vga chip if possible. Dual cards and dual chips do not always scale well. It is a more complex system.

3) I would stick with a Nvidia card, just because you will not have to change out drivers, and you know how the nvidia drivers work. If you already had ati, I would suggest ati.

4) Your 1680x resolution is not that demanding, so something crazy is not needed for good gaming.

4890 and GTX275 are comparable cards. Unless you have a favorite game, don't bother looking for minor differences.

Net: sell the 8800GTS and shop for a GTX275

40nm parts will launch by the end of the year. You might want to wait and see what comes.

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June 30, 2009 12:48:56 AM

Two 8800GT/9800GTs are very powerful, besting the GTX280 @ stock and almost equaling the GTX285 @ stock in many games and at most resolutions as well.

I'm not sure how a GTX260 was able to beat it, unless it was massively OCed or the drivers/game didn't enable SLi very well.
July 1, 2009 4:05:15 AM

geofelt said:
1) If you are going to upgrade, get something that is at least a couple of levels better.
8800GTS-512 > GTX275/4890 or better. Anything less, and you will be disappointed by a small gain.

2) I would pick a single card with a single vga chip if possible. Dual cards and dual chips do not always scale well. It is a more complex system.

3) I would stick with a Nvidia card, just because you will not have to change out drivers, and you know how the nvidia drivers work. If you already had ati, I would suggest ati.

4) Your 1680x resolution is not that demanding, so something crazy is not needed for good gaming.

4890 and GTX275 are comparable cards. Unless you have a favorite game, don't bother looking for minor differences.

Net: sell the 8800GTS and shop for a GTX275

40nm parts will launch by the end of the year. You might want to wait and see what comes.

Well, I've packed and shipped off the 8800GTS to it's new owner. I hope it will serve him well.

TBH I'm leaning towards the 4890 instead of the GTX 285. Prices are significantly lower and it will leave me the option to CF two of them in future.
As for any potential driver issues, I'll reformat and reinstall if necessary. I haven't changed any hardware with this copy, so hopefully I won't have to call MS.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to help make this decision. I will be ordering the 4890 ASAP.
July 1, 2009 7:53:34 AM

Amg said:
the HD4890 is the first GPU to hit over 1Ghz and its exremtly well priced its just a capable card, good all rounder. you get alot of card for your money. not saying Nvida cards are bad, they are just over priced.

You can hit 1GHz with the 4890 if you are lucky but in most cases you cannot pass the 900-950MHz.


From this three options (2x 8800GTS 512 -- 2x 4850 or single 4890) I will choose 4890 because 2x 4850 have similar performance with the 4890 and is better to have one good GPU instead of 2 bad GPU.
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July 2, 2009 12:52:43 AM

You should Crossfire another 4890 in order to see any real improvement.
Two 8800GTS's perform slightly below a GTX285, and slightly above a single 4890.

July 2, 2009 2:17:23 AM

why havent you all connsidered two 4770 CF'd - its only 220 compared to a single 4890 at ~ 250 i beleive yet its much much better in almost all games (exept like in crysis where the 4890 is only about 5 better). Also in the TH review it clearly states that in some cases its even better than a 280. furthermore, it overclocks like crazy with 10-20% boost while keeping relatively cool.
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July 2, 2009 2:47:57 AM

carlitus said:
why havent you all connsidered two 4770 CF'd - its only 220 compared to a single 4890 at ~ 250 i beleive yet its much much better in almost all games (exept like in crysis where the 4890 is only about 5 better). Also in the TH review it clearly states that in some cases its even better than a 280. furthermore, it overclocks like crazy with 10-20% boost while keeping relatively cool.


Umm, because that would basically be no change from his dual 8800GTS's.

4850s are slightly better than 4770s. 4850s are equal to 9800GTX/GTX+/GTS250.

9800GTXs are slightly better than 8800GTS's.

So 4770 basically performs the same as the 8800GTS.
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