Is intel screwing everybody ?

i've been reading alot about the core i5 and it seems that even the cheapest i5 750 can keep up with the core i7 920 and in some cases beat it. i don't know about you guys but i am feeling like intel screwed everybody that bought the core i7 cpu. at the time(when released) i paid 300+ for the i7 plus 300 for a x58 board plus another 180 or so on tripple channel memory(6GB @1600Mhz) now(a year later) a $200 cpu can keep up and sometimes surpase my i7 on cheaper components, whys is that? like i said i am feeling alittle screwed by intel, anyone else feeling the same way?

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Yeah, it would have been a little nicer if they EOLed 775, and introduced i5 and i7 all at the same time.

Just remember, as a typically true universal rule, early adopters pay a price premium.

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I still haven't seen any benchmarks with the I5 @ 4Ghz vs a 920 at 4Ghz with Xfire or SLI. The I7 is better with multiple gpu's. Does it matter to me that the 750 stays with the 920? ofcourse not. I'm waiting for Gulftown

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i7 is still better for applications, in video games i5 tend to be very close to 920 tho. The prices for a 920 vs a i5 is 150-200$+, prices haven't dropped since you bought it i believe

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You are complaining because a new component keeps up with your 1 year old component for less money? That's pretty standard in computer components.

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technology tends to go in one direction and that is advancement. yeah the i5 just as fast as a 920, what would you expect after two years?

the 920 is still more capable because it has a much better motherboard. intel decided to make i5 mainstream so the average joe could have a fast rig.

i don't believe intel screwed anybody. if anything they are now appealing to more people due to lower costs with high performance.

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ferny12345623 wrote :

i've been reading alot about the core i5 and it seems that even the cheapest i5 750 can keep up with the core i7 920 and in some cases beat it. i don't know about you guys but i am feeling like intel screwed everybody that bought the core i7 cpu. at the time(when released) i paid 300+ for the i7 plus 300 for a x58 board plus another 180 or so on tripple channel memory(6GB @1600Mhz) now(a year later) a $200 cpu can keep up and sometimes surpase my i7 on cheaper components, whys is that? like i said i am feeling alittle screwed by intel, anyone else feeling the same way?

I built i7 system last april. i pay cpu: 200, motherboard: 220 , 6gb memory: 75. It is not that bad for me.

computer parts will get better, faster and cheaper as time passes, but i do not think i need to upgrade my rig any time soon. oc at 3.8 , it is pleanty fast for me. I will wait for next generation which will be compatible with 1366 socket. If i can find a good deal, all i need is drop the new cpu to the existing socket. that is the feature new core i5 and i 7 owner do not exist.

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ferny12345623 wrote :

i've been reading alot about the core i5 and it seems that even the cheapest i5 750 can keep up with the core i7 920 and in some cases beat it. i don't know about you guys but i am feeling like intel screwed everybody that bought the core i7 cpu. at the time(when released) i paid 300+ for the i7 plus 300 for a x58 board plus another 180 or so on tripple channel memory(6GB @1600Mhz) now(a year later) a $200 cpu can keep up and sometimes surpase my i7 on cheaper components, whys is that? like i said i am feeling alittle screwed by intel, anyone else feeling the same way?

Borrowed an 15 build from one of my vendors for the weekend, and did some testing with my most used apps (PS CS4, Maya 3d, ACAD). In this arena, the i5 just can't compare. Of course, the i7 920 can't compare with a proper WS, either, but until a client 'gifts' me a real WS, my i7 build will do the wee bit of occasional work that I do.

In the occasional game that I run, it is 'fast enough'.

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htoonthura wrote :

I built i7 system last april. i pay cpu: 200, motherboard: 220 , 6gb memory: 75. It is not that bad for me.

computer parts will get better, faster and cheaper as time passes, but i do not think i need to upgrade my rig any time soon. oc at 3.8 , it is pleanty fast for me. I will wait for next generation which will be compatible with 1366 socket. If i can find a good deal, all i need is drop the new cpu to the existing socket. that is the feature new core i5 and i 7 owner do not exist.

How can you even say lga 1156 is already dead man? It's band new, it will have new updates too, maybe just not as powerful as i9, they will most likely do as they just did, give a very good cpu a bit cheaper for the people who want performance at a smaller price.

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i7 wins when those extra threads come into play. But at less then 4 threads, most any quad performs about the same.

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Don't whine, at least 1366 gets i9, but that's just assuming that they don't port i9 over to 1156

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Intel's been very up front with its product plans, much more so than manufacturers in a lot of other industries. It's not like this should have been a big surprise.

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I got my entire LGA1366 system 50% off, I was not screwed at all.

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alikum wrote :

Don't whine, at least 1366 gets i9, but that's just assuming that they don't port i9 over to 1156

i am not whining i just surprised that the i7 got surpased so fast as opposed to the q6600 witch is still going strong and it what 3 plus years old.

Reply to ferny12345623

1. In cpu tech it will always be like this, sometimes sooner than later. Great for new buyers.
2. It is intel, what did u expect? Their plans were announced a long time ago and yes they will screw you again and again and again. They are known to change sockets after a year or two, so live with it. But hey, you still have the fastest quad around!

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Honestly I'm happy that the Intel core i5 is fast. Because as far as I'm concerned it makes me all the more excited about their new 6 and 8 core processors coming out for the 1366 socket. Because it proves that they are still able to continue making things better and better and for even more reasonable prices. I mean yes with technology everything does generally get better and better and eventually become cheaper as well. But the rate that Intel continues to make better and better stuff just simply has be excited to see what they come out with next.

Although I'm somewhat worried about AMD, because if they don't either drop the prices of their current products or manage to come out with something new that can actually compete their gonna be in trouble.

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randomizer wrote :

I got my entire LGA1366 system 50% off, I was not screwed at all.

Lucky you, Who is you dealer man!? :lol:

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^ WOHW :bounce: , Where???????????

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you didnt get screwed, because i7 has some advantages over the i5

i7 920 supports hyperthreading while i5 doesn't

i7 920 have triple channel memory, while i5 has dual

i7 920 motherboards supports x16 x16 on both sli and crosefire while i5 supports x8 x8 MAX with sli or crosefire.

on the other hand,

i5 have on die PCI Express controller which will reduce the latency between gpu and cpu, so if you have a single gpu on 1136 (p55) vs single gpu 1366 (x58) on most cases 1136 will win, however if u do sli or crosse fire 1366 (x58 motherboard) will win because it supports x16 x16 double bandwith than what a p55 gives.

one more thing is that core i5 turbo boost gives about 500 mhz while i7 920 gives 133 mhz (aka goes up by 1 multiplyer), however i7 920 is easly overclocked and can go beyond that.

besids all that i7 socket 1366 is going to be for the future cpus so u can upgrade to the new core i9 which i heard will have 6 cores.

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psycho sykes wrote :

Your demands aren't being met. :lol:

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surda wrote :

you didnt get screwed, because i7 has some advantages over the i5

i7 920 supports hyperthreading while i5 doesn't

i7 920 have triple channel memory, while i5 has dual

i7 920 motherboards supports x16 x16 on both sli and crosefire while i5 supports x8 x8 MAX with sli or crosefire.

on the other hand,

i5 have on die PCI Express controller which will reduce the latency between gpu and cpu, so if you have a single gpu on 1136 (p55) vs single gpu 1366 (x58) on most cases 1136 will win, however if u do sli or crosse fire 1366 (x58 motherboard) will win because it supports x16 x16 double bandwith than what a p55 gives.

one more thing is that core i5 turbo boost gives about 500 mhz while i7 920 gives 133 mhz (aka goes up by 1 multiplyer), however i7 920 is easly overclocked and can go beyond that.

besids all that i7 socket 1366 is going to be for the future cpus so u can upgrade to the new core i9 which i heard will have 6 cores.

Very well said my friend

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medjohnson77 wrote :

Lucky you, Who is you dealer man!? :lol:

Government rebates. :whistle:

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randomizer wrote :

Government rebates. :whistle:

Dang man you really where lucky, I thought I got a good deal cause I got my i7 920 for 199.99 from micro center but you put my deal to shame

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Government rebates. :whistle:

Damn students, get a job! [:mousemonkey:2]

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randomizer wrote :

Government rebates. :whistle:

Nice, Damn, I gotta get me some of them, :lol:

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ComputerNovice wrote :

Dang man you really where lucky, I thought I got a good deal cause I got my i7 920 for 199.99 from micro center but you put my deal to shame

Considering it retailed for $400 AU my "deal" wasn't that much better for the CPU.

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Yeah, but 50% is 50%, nice pick up. Are AU price's really that high? That is just crazy!

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ComputerNovice wrote :

Very well said my friend

thank you.

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Fixed it !!

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medjohnson77 wrote :

Yeah, but 50% is 50%, nice pick up. Are AU price's really that high? That is just crazy!

$360 AUD as of today for an i7 920... And at today's exchange, your $199 would be $232 and a bit AUD, plus our 10% GST...

So yes, on some items we get shafted. On others we do better than the US. Do we like it? (Are you daft?) No, but that is what it is. Poor Kiwi's get hit even worse.

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God Croc and Random,

Sorry to hear that, that sucks! If you would of got 50% on that system at our prices, it would of been so much sweeter!

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Aye, NZ is a shocker.

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randomizer wrote :

Aye, NZ is a shocker.

Well even the Kiwi's have their trade-offs. Kiwi venison is even better than 'roo, Nelson bay bluff oysters are some of the best in the world, their green-lipped mussels are to die for (if you like mussels), they have some truly world class wines, and their cheeses... NZ is a foodie's paradise.

Wonder what their laws are these days for parallel importing?

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Dont forget the juicy lamb immmmmmmmmmmm lammmmmmmmb :love:

as a kiwi i understand about the prices but im living in israel at the mo and its even worst, i pay $900-$1000 us for a $500-$600 doller card from the states
i payed about $1200 for my 24" dell monitor
i payed about a $1000-1100 for my log-z5500 speakers, so most things i pay 50%-70% more
so u guys that pay a little more I LAUGH AT YOU AND SPIT IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION :kaola: .................. rrr not really but stop whining

anyway ... ferny12345623 .... just buy amd nexted time if you feel intel is screwing you.

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My workplace bought me a machine that has a Xeon W3520 (i7\Nehalem @2.67ghz) with 8 gigs of RAM and dual 10,000 RPM hard drives in RAID 0.

I have no idea why I have such a powerful machine, as I just edit work orders, manipulate AD, and remote into people computers all day long, but I still think it is pretty cool. It's a Dell Precision T3500.

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sminlal wrote :

Intel's been very up front with its product plans, much more so than manufacturers in a lot of other industries. It's not like this should have been a big surprise.

Yep - it's not Intel with the 'rubber roadmaps' .

Whenever I see complaints about Intel's sockets, CPUs etc. I just recall the QuadFX 'solution' before AMD actually had a quad-core . Anybody who purchased one of those really got the screws put to them...

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GO!BOKKE!! tri nations champs ok now thats out of the way south africa also gets shafted the i7 920 costs bout $370-380 some at $400 round here

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i got my 920 for like $230 cause of bing cashback =]

my total rig cost about $1150 ... which isn't that bad.

Either way, i still have bragging rights to my friends that i have an i7 =D They still on C2D

None of that crap thanks.

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cjl wrote :

You are complaining because a new component keeps up with your 1 year old component for less money? That's pretty standard in computer components.

And the saddest thing is that he doesn't seem to realize that its a 32nm chip while his is 45nm and as well a newer stepping that can easily introduce more efficient core logic and better performance.....

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jimmysmitty wrote :

And the saddest thing is that he doesn't seem to realize that its a 32nm chip while his is 45nm and as well a newer stepping that can easily introduce more efficient core logic and better performance.....

The I3 will be 32nm. The I5 isn't

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cjl wrote :

You are complaining because a new component keeps up with your 1 year old component for less money? That's pretty standard in computer components.

^Agree,| OP, you need to understand, computer technology advances at crazy speed, so if you buy something high-end today, tomorrow there will be something better and for cheaper Its how it works and you need to just accept it, Intel isn't screwing anyone, they are just a chip maker trying to make good busniss and do what every other private busniss does, compete and make the better product then its competition and for cheaper.

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PsychoSaysDie wrote :

The I3 will be 32nm. The I5 isn't

Could have sworn they were doing 32nm for i5. Must have decided not to at the last minute then cus that was the original plan to do it while pushing 32nm 6 months ahead of its full production schedule.

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32nm will hit the i5 and i3 brands according to what I've read.

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archibael wrote :

32nm will hit the i5 and i3 brands according to what I've read.

Yes but the current i5 model they just released isn't 35

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That's correct.

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archibael wrote :

That't correct.

OT, any hints as to when Gulftown will hit the shelves? Or at what price? (don't get fired...)

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It's even cheaper now if you have a MC near your location.......

http://www.microcenter.com/special [...] sheet.html

for 159.99$..... you just can't beat that..... :pfff:

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