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E8400 core 2 dua vs. Phenom ii 550 - just curious

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September 15, 2009 10:42:44 PM

I was wondering how close these two chips were in performance, the reason being the 550 is about 70 USD cheaper. So any charts and bench's would be appreciated
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September 15, 2009 11:01:44 PM

E8400 eats 550 for breakfast.
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September 15, 2009 11:06:22 PM

If your considering a e8400 and you want to save some $$$ Let me load some tests I just run and linke em to you. Hold on.

I got a $50 G31 chipset motherboard with a e3200 in today. The e3200 will run 4.0 on a better motherboard but my g31 doesn't like going over 300FSB. 12x multiplier @ 300FSB 3.6 on stock cooler 32C idle 58C prime 95 load. This baby screams. 6.8 on Win 7 wie.

Benches in a sec. I'm not a gamer so I only got a 8400gs, but I have a spare ati 4870 sitting here.
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September 15, 2009 11:07:23 PM

The E8400 is faster. Even if you consider overclocking the E8400 is better. Of course with the 550 you have the possibility of unlocking extra cores and depending how that goes the picture of value changes. Anyway a more direct competitor to the PII 550 is the Core2 E7400, though the 550 is generally a little faster
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September 15, 2009 11:10:27 PM

I should also mention that when considering overclocking there are plenty of good 785G boards that will overclock the PII 550 just fine, especially with it's unlocked multiplier, but generally you will need to spend more on a decent board for the E8400 as you need to overclock via the FSB. If you go Intel get a P45 board. The P43 boards generally aren't as good for overclocking and thus an older P35 board would prove a better option if you can't afford a decent P45 board. When considering overclocking it's always a good idea to review and compare boards to see just how well they do at it.
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September 15, 2009 11:22:39 PM



As you can see the Phenom II 550 is the worst chice, and did I mention my little e3200 was $52.00 free shipping? My chip has more OC potential but my $50 motherboard dont :) 
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September 15, 2009 11:38:39 PM



My 8400GS scores low, but as I said, I'm not a gamer.
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September 15, 2009 11:59:03 PM

jimishtar said:
E8400 eats 550 for breakfast.


I wouldnt say "EAT" .... The 550 is 70.00$ cheaper and it still can hang with the E8400 regardless... Anyone have any 3dmark06 screenies using a E8400? Basically if you buy an E8400 at this moment you are throwing money away since there are better options out at that price.. With a 550 you cannot go wrong since it is 99.99$ and you can basically overclock to extreme speeds with minimal effort... Not saying that the E8400 is a bad CPU, just not worth 179.99$ ;) 
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September 16, 2009 12:09:06 AM

OvrClkr said:
I wouldnt say "EAT" .... The 550 is 70.00$ cheaper and it still can hang with the E8400 regardless... Anyone have any 3dmark06 screenies using a E8400? Basically if you buy an E8400 at this moment you are throwing money away since there are better options out at that price.. With a 550 you cannot go wrong since it is 99.99$ and you can basically overclock to extreme speeds with minimal effort... Not saying that the E8400 is a bad CPU, just not worth 179.99$ ;) 



Ya well the 550 is not worth $99 either. If you look at the graph of the 550 stock and 8400 stock, Id say eat is an acceptable word.
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September 16, 2009 12:13:02 AM

Can you post your 3dmarko6 score? I like to see what your CPu score is, dont you think 1.45 vcore is a little high?
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September 16, 2009 12:21:17 AM

daship said:
Can you post your 3dmarko6 score? I like to see what your CPu score is, dont you think 1.45 vcore is a little high?


Not really, it fluctuates between 1.42/1.47v (1.45v is the value in the BIOS) ..........

@ 3.520Ghz



@ 3.985Ghz






not bad for 99.99$ heh?
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September 16, 2009 12:26:44 AM

Ima run 3do6 now obviously im just checking CPU score as I have 8400GS :) 

LOL just noticed XP gross. Im running 7 rtm 64bit :)  Dont feel like installing XP just to get a little boost.:p 
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September 16, 2009 12:49:09 AM



Not bad for $52.00, now im temped to throw it on the p43 with my 4870 and see what she got at 4.0

Your $100 chip is about 300 faster @ 3.9 then mine @ 3.6 and your on XP and im on Win 7, so pretty much neck and neck if were both on xp. But I spent $50 and you spent $99 plus $$ for a cooler?
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September 16, 2009 1:24:41 AM

daship said:
]http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/83680283594734cd3ffb3d9362061e705g.jpg

Not bad for $52.00, now im temped to throw it on the p43 with my 4870 and see what she got at 4.0

Your $100 chip is about 300 faster @ 3.9 then mine @ 3.6 and your on XP and im on Win 7, so pretty much neck and neck if were both on xp. But I spent $50 and you spent $99 plus $$ for a cooler?


Well why did you cover the score with the CPU-Z box? What was the score?

What is the stock clock on that Celeron? Are you using a cooler or a stock sink?

I am using an Artic Freezer 64 :


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September 16, 2009 1:30:58 AM

The final score was ***, 8400GS, like I said, I was only interested in CPU scores, if I wanted to shoot the moon on GPU scores Id drop in the 4870.

Stock clock is 2.4, yes Im running stock heatsink, its about 1/2" aluminum piece of crap.

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September 16, 2009 1:41:29 AM

daship said:
Ya well the 550 is not worth $99 either. If you look at the graph of the 550 stock and 8400 stock, Id say eat is an acceptable word.


Not really, if you did the math you would see that you are paying 70.00$ for a rough 12% increase in performance (Stock Clocks). To me that is not considered "EAT" , if both processors were priced the same then yes you would be 100% correct....

Normally an E8600 @ 4.0Ghz/GTX 260 will score around 17,340+ ..... Look at how much the E8600 costs compared to the 550 ...

280.00$, same as the i7 920 :pfff: 

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Wolfdale 3.33GHz 6MB L2 Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 16, 2009 1:47:14 AM

daship said:
The final score was ***, 8400GS, like I said, I was only interested in CPU scores, if I wanted to shoot the moon on GPU scores Id drop in the 4870.

Stock clock is 2.4, yes Im running stock heatsink, its about 1/2" aluminum piece of crap.

]http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/536e5cb838b1d50069277ab115872ead2g.jpg


Drop the 4870 and we can both bench at whatever clocks you prefer...... :heink: 


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September 16, 2009 2:02:37 AM

Hahahahaha! I couldn't stop laughing when I found out that this was Intel's new celeron... AMD is in trouble...

I'd like to participate, but I am currently waiting for a motherboard replacement since I fried the other one because of a foil mod. Yeah... Perhaps using the thermal pen was appropriate... LOL!

Ovrclkr, your going to lose if he does that man...
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September 16, 2009 2:04:42 AM

First go grab yourself a real OS. XP gives you a huge jump compred to Vista/7.

e8400 $167 and it can run 4.0 on stock cooler:)  You paid $100 plus $40 ish for a cooler, $5.00 for paste?
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September 16, 2009 2:07:58 AM

@daship

While it's nice that you explored the celeron offering. Why didn't you just step up to the e5xxx series?

I admit though, it crossed my mind to sell my chip to get that celeron, it looks like a lot of fun.
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September 16, 2009 2:10:01 AM

threednonsense said:
Hahahahaha! I couldn't stop laughing when I found out that this was Intel's new celeron... AMD is in trouble...

I'd like to participate, but I am currently waiting for a motherboard replacement since I fried the other one because of a foil mod. Yeah... Perhaps using the thermal pen was appropriate... LOL!

Ovrclkr, your going to lose if he does that man...



LOL its a bad ass chip. If Ima do it ima do it right and crank it to 4.0 plus:)  on my other motherboard. And we gonna do it on the same OS, if you cant get Win 7 Ill load up XP:)  I got my technet keys for it all and I havent used any XP ones yet.
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September 16, 2009 2:10:19 AM

Unless your trying to hit 4.5+ ghz on the e8xxx models, there's no point in paying the premium for it really.
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September 16, 2009 2:14:25 AM

threednonsense said:
@daship

While it's nice that you explored the celeron offering. Why didn't you just step up to the e5xxx series?

I admit though, it crossed my mind to sell my chip to get that celeron, it looks like a lot of fun.



I got e5200 and e5300, they cost more and OC the exact same. Saw the e3200 had to try it. Cache hasnt really ever impressed me vs a good high overclock.

e3200 is same chip with 1MB less cache.

I like to build cheap hackingtoshes that out bench $1900 imacs.
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September 16, 2009 2:17:11 AM

daship said:
LOL its a bad ass chip. If Ima do it ima do it right and crank it to 4.0 plus:)  on my other motherboard. And we gonna do it on the same OS, if you cant get Win 7 Ill load up XP:)  I got my technet keys for it all and I havent used any XP ones yet.


Nice, yeah, I was actuallly waiting around for his response. LOL!
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September 16, 2009 2:19:48 AM

daship said:
First go grab yourself a real OS. XP gives you a huge jump compred to Vista/7.

e8400 $167 and it can run 4.0 on stock cooler:)  You paid $100 plus $40 ish for a cooler, $5.00 for paste?


AS5 was 2.99$ on Ebay Free Shipping ;) 

Cooler was 29.99$ Free Shipping and trust me, it was one of the wisest decisions I made when I purchased the hardware.. ;) 

Yea everyone knows that the E8400 can run @ 4Ghz with a stock cooler, it's no secret....But the question is, does that make you wise for doing such a thing? I don't think so, wanna see some temps that you will never be able to achieve using a stock cooler?

3.6Ghz (LOAD) <--- it says LOAD ;)  ** 37/38c MAX ..... At 4Ghz it tops out at 45c no matter what I do, all tests done at 28c ambient in an ANTEC 300 .....



That's why you buy a cooler ;) 

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September 16, 2009 2:20:02 AM

So the 1mb doesn't really make much of a difference? That's crazy...

Yeah, I had the initial impression the e5xxx overclocked higher but I guess not...
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September 16, 2009 2:35:08 AM

1mb might not make much of a difference, but 5mb definitely will.... but of course value wise the E8400 might not be the best decision even with the extra cache.
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September 16, 2009 2:41:12 AM

eat your heart out same $52 motherboard:)  Stock cooling:p 

dam mediafire acting up lemme upload it elswhere


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September 16, 2009 2:42:24 AM

Yeah, unless your one of those people getting like 4.7 ghz out of it on air.
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September 16, 2009 2:42:26 AM

daship said:
First go grab yourself a real OS. XP gives you a huge jump compred to Vista/7.

e8400 $167 and it can run 4.0 on stock cooler:)  You paid $100 plus $40 ish for a cooler, $5.00 for paste?


Im currently waiting on a mobo and a copy of Vista 64 (Free Win 7 upgrade)... it will take about a week or so to get here but once I install it I will post the new scores....
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September 16, 2009 2:43:56 AM

The link won't work daship...

Nvm...
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September 16, 2009 2:48:43 AM

Look at the graph above the stock 8600 has lots more cache but when the celeron is overclocked it it ouperforms the slower more cahce cpu. Clock for clock cache matters maybe 5%.
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September 16, 2009 3:05:00 AM

78-79 load, on stock lol. Id I can get 4.0 on a g31 it will go higher on a p45 with proper cooling.
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September 16, 2009 3:08:41 AM



Again, not bad for $50:) 
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September 16, 2009 3:14:41 AM

I can wait, I get me some $$$ tomoroow so I'll buy a P45 for this little gem. Ima shoot for 4.5 on P45 with aftermarket air. Should be easy since this mobo has 2 voltage adjustments and I got 4.0.
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September 16, 2009 3:17:41 AM

What cooler are you looking at?
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September 16, 2009 3:18:16 AM

I use zigmatek s1283 usually.
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September 16, 2009 3:19:27 AM

Yea that's a tight cooler.... I have also seen amazing temps with the Core Contact and Mugen...specially when lapped =)
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September 16, 2009 3:23:30 AM

I used arctic 7 2 times both times it was not smoothe on the bottom so I switched to s1283 and have had real good luck.

Now if Intel would make a $100 celeron quad:) 
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September 16, 2009 3:44:05 AM

AMD makes a $100 Celeron quad!

ka-ka ching!
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September 16, 2009 4:14:11 AM

Sheesh, it was a joke.
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September 16, 2009 4:17:49 AM

I know, mines was too. Come on, both our comments were uncalled for. LOL!
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September 16, 2009 10:13:27 PM

Daship, when i looked at your 3dmark chart your system with the celeron was at the bottom, but the 550 system was near the top...
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September 16, 2009 10:37:59 PM

yannifb said:
Daship, when i looked at your 3dmark chart your system with the celeron was at the bottom, but the 550 system was near the top...



Duh if you read most the posts you would know he has a GTX260 and I got a 8400GS. We were comparing CPU scores not total scores. An 8400GS gets like 700 points.

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September 16, 2009 11:00:58 PM

Be my guest, last person to beat my score using XP was a dude that was running an E5200 @ 4.0ghz and a XFX 4890 (1GB)... His score was 17,093 ....So basically he beat me by 500+ points using a more powerful GPU....

Not that you wont get a good score, of course you will... But it will will be a tight race... ;) 

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September 17, 2009 2:35:42 AM



looks like the 260 definately has the advantage. Damn you nvidia. Cpu scores are hell close, try one at 3.8 on the money and the celeron should score more on the CPU score.

Quess Ill pown you next week with my P45 mobo and 5870:) 

Incase image dont resize.



14093
sm 2 5875
sm 3 6976
Cpu 3326


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