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September 17, 2009 7:39:28 AM

ok first of all i don't overclock and i'm not a gamer... i would say (above-average home user)!!

I have an old system which is outdated so i am buying a new system..
I have a 20inch flat-screen monitor, good keyboard and mouse, and DVD/CD drive.
For my new system i already bought a new case, new hardrive, new PSU, so all i need is the MOBO, CPU, and RAM.
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current system- running windows xp pro - 32 bit -- this system is actually pretty good for me just its always running at 110% so i just need something that keeps up with how i use the computer...
CPU Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)
Memory 1536 MB (DDR SDRAM)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 6200 (256 MB)
Audio Adapter Creative Audigy LS Audio Processor
Motherboard Intel Blue Mountain D845EBT (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DIMM, Audio, LAN, IEEE-1394)

Motherboard is at the max i can upgrade stuff..lol so..i'm buying a new pc
100gb harddrive
350watt psu

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New system.... (maybe)?? i still have to buy the CPU, RAM, and MOBO. $237 total
CPU ---- Intel Pentium Dual-Core E6500 2.93GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W - $95
RAM ---- 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - $52
MOBO -- ASUS P5QL/EPU LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX - $90
HD ------ 500gb sata 32mb cache (7200 rpm) - $bought it
PSU ----- 600watt - $bought it

i am just going to reuse my current graphic and sound card...(they worked fine..)
also might be running windows xp 64 bit or vista ultimate 64 bit for this system
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BUT????? THEN I SAW THIS... it costs $207over my budget!!!
New system (maybe)?? $430 total
CPU ---- Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - $200
RAM ---- 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) - $110 (do i need 6gbs of ram?)
MOBO -- GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX - $120
HD ------ 500gb sata 32mb cache (7200 rpm) - $bought it
PSU ----- 600watt - $bought it

i am just going to reuse my current graphic and sound card for this system too (i think)
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sorry about being so long... but thats every detail.. so you can see my current system and then what i was going to get.. might be the second option? i can't decide if its worth it?
how much faster would it be??

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September 17, 2009 8:16:28 AM

^ True thats all you need...
But I would go for a little more powerful PC...
Are you open to AMD and ATI suggestions ? You get better options that would fit your needs...
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September 17, 2009 8:20:30 AM

u dont need 6 GB ram, 4 will be just fine. go with the first system, but get better cpu, E8400 maybe.
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September 17, 2009 8:44:37 AM

no... to AMD or ATI....

ok i liked the first system better cause i am not a gamer or overclocker... and its 200 bucks cheaper....

so u say that dual core cpu isnt very good?
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 8:59:25 AM

^ That CPU is not a bad one...
But as you are upgrading anyways, get a powerful PC so that it would last long...But that i5 is an overkill for your requirements...

Maybe upgrade the CPU to any of these...

Intel Core2 Duo E7500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or better -
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And can you tell the the reason why you dont want to go AMD ? They have actually been doing good lately...
September 17, 2009 9:01:03 AM

there is one thing you have missed. the video card you currently have is an agp card and the motherboards that support the modern cpu's you are thinking about using all only support pci express so a new video card will be required in addition to the other hardware you are going to purchace.
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 9:03:30 AM

^ he is correct...
But you can go with G41 chipset mobos that have onboard video that would suffice...
September 17, 2009 9:12:13 AM

wait... u mean the video card i have now wont work with the new mobo....??
the mobo i have now has onboard video too right... i could use that and buy a video card later?

and i was thinking of upgrading the cpu to this
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
only another $70 i could work that into the budget...

September 17, 2009 9:12:40 AM

there is something i forgot to mention in my post above. since you do not game and you will be required to replace your video card it would do you a lot of good to look at the toms hardware list of best video cards under 100 dollars for the pci express buss cards. cards in that price or lower will be sufficient for your needs. good luck.
September 17, 2009 9:15:57 AM

if you buy a motherboard for your system with onboard video to support your new processor you can put off buying a video card until of you decide you need one
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September 17, 2009 9:18:33 AM

@kylo The mobo you have linked right now doesnt have onboard video...If you want to go with onboard video, then choose the mobo which have G41/G45/G31 chipsets...these come with onboard video...Or like jimmyz41 said, get a cheap PCIe graphics and stick with the same mobo...
And as for CPU, for nearly the same price, go with the Quad - Core2Quad Q8400...It would last you long and is better with multitasking...

CPU - Q8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - Has onboard video - G41 chipset mobos...
EDIT : Fixed the mobos link...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 17, 2009 9:23:40 AM

a good place to check for socket 775 motherboards with onboard video would be pricewatch.com or newegg.com or pricegrabber.com. those are the places i use mose often. if you don't mind using ebay it can be a good place to find deals too but you have to know prices of things and be careful and kind of know what you are doing or you could get burned there.
September 17, 2009 9:25:30 AM

Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W

Core 2 Quad Q8400 Yorkfield 2.66GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W

the quad has less cache and is 95W.?

as for physco.... (i dont like celeron cpu and g31mobo)
September 17, 2009 9:29:20 AM

i'm sorry guys this is getting out of hand... i dont have the money to keep upgrading more stuff... (now i have to get a video card too)

ok.... i have $170 max for cpu, would like to use only 120 if possible.. so i can get a decent video card
September 17, 2009 9:34:41 AM

the way i see it is buy all the processor power you can afford. since you are going to be building a socket 775 and will not have an upgrade path since you are on an obsolete socket get the quad core if you can afford it so you do not run out of cpu power before you are ready to respend for a new system. my advice would be you should spring for the i5 or i7 dual channel systems as they are the new socket platforms and will be supported whereas the socket 775 is on it's way out.
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 9:39:11 AM

@kylo - Fixed the mobo links...check those out... It has onboard video and you dont have to buy a separate graphics cards...
So that would come to -
CPU - $170
Mobo - $70
RAM - $52
Total - $292
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 9:45:18 AM

Lolz all 3 of us(myself, jimmyz41 , PsychoSaysDie ) have different views must be confusing you a lot :p 

So lets put it like this...
Go with my suggestion if you upgrade the PC on a whole and not a kind of person who replaces parts with newer ones when they are released.

Go with jimmyz41's suggestion if you want to have an upgradeable PC. But this would be a costly affair.

PsychoSaysDie's is the best if you have some knowledge of overclocking and it saves you some money by doing away with the graphics card as the onboard would suffice...
But then again that CPU would show signs of slowing down in a year or 2 as more and more apps are starting to take advantage of multiple cores...
September 17, 2009 9:48:42 AM

wow...i like that setup....

i like yours the most...

i dont overclock and i dont wont be upgrading for awhile... maybe buy a video card when i have more cash..

but u think the quad core with 4mb cache will do better then the dual core with 6mb
September 17, 2009 9:56:59 AM

i would buy the motherboard you were going to buy in the first build. get the 52 dollar 4 gig of ram and either get a 50 dollar ati radeon 4650 or an 80 dollar gforce 9600gt. and call it good.

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September 17, 2009 9:57:30 AM
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^ Overall the Quad will be a better in multitasking...but in some apps where clock speed matter, the Dual core would be better...

Like I said, some of the current and most of the future apps will take advantage of multiple cores...So the Quad would last you longer(In terms of performance)

But if you still are concerned with the cache amount, then $20 more would get you a faster Quad with 6MB cache...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 17, 2009 9:58:14 AM

oh and get the q8400 quad core
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September 17, 2009 10:01:50 AM

@kylo If your "Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 6200", worked fine for your, then the onboard graphics on the G41 mobo that I had linked would be more than enough for your requirements...

I dont see a point in getting that P43 and separate graphics card, when you wont need the overclocking features of that mobo and the extra graphics power...

I do accept that the onboard intel video are bad...but they are a very good upgrade to that 6200...
September 17, 2009 10:03:39 AM

the q8400 will do you just fine for quite a while. you do not seem like a real power user ans budget creep seems to be really on your mind so use google price checker for prices on components that have been suggested and read the tome hardware video card round up for september for advice on the best video cards in the price you are interested in staying in.
September 17, 2009 10:14:55 AM

i don't want to buy a video card.... hey gkay should i get faster ram.... the 4gb i have now are 800.. should i get what the new mobo can max.. 4 gb at 1066.

oh and willl this new cpu and mobo be able to run windows xp 64bit?

no 4gbs is plenty.... i'm only use about 1gb of ram on my current ram at max usage... so 4gb is overkill
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 10:22:50 AM

^ Intel CPUs (Core2 series) dont use the extra RAM speed above 800MHz...
Get the DDR2 800...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But just a heads up on the mobo I had linked...It has only 2 RAM slots...So if you are planning to go more than 4GB RAM, then you might want to consider other options...
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 10:26:21 AM

Yes they will run XP 64 bit...
But are you planning to buy a new one or you already have both 32 and 64 bit ?
September 17, 2009 10:27:48 AM

yes i have both versions for XP.... i was kinda thinking of also upgrading to vista basic 64bit in a few months maybe?? i like XP alot tho..
a b à CPUs
September 17, 2009 10:32:02 AM

Don't upgrade to Vista...Win 7 would be out by October...So upgrade to that...It is more optimized than Vista...
And as for XP, I still use that only...Waiting for WIN 7...
September 17, 2009 10:33:28 AM

oh ok... even better!!
September 17, 2009 10:38:38 AM

real quick while u pros are here..... any good free benchmarking programs out there.... so i can test my current pc and see what the difference is with the new one!!
September 17, 2009 7:16:43 PM

I hope someone pointed out that the i5 is faster (clock-for-clock) than the C2D line... so although it appears to be lagging along at a leisurely 2.66 Ghz, this is far from the truth. However, the OP mentioned he is NOT a gamer... and assuming he isn't into working with video (something quad cores excel at), a dual core will satisfy his needs just fine... but for long-term viability, the i5 would go a long way towards meeting that goal.
September 18, 2009 7:33:35 AM

Final build - costing $350 after shipping and taxes - I will be purchasing this!!!
WOOT....!!!
Thanks too everyone who helped me out!!!
I will be back to let you know how it runs. :D 



Specs.............................................................................................
NEW SYSTEM- running windows XP pro 32bit
CPU - AMD Athlon II X2 245 Regor 2.9GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Processor
Memory - G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
MoBo - GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX
HD - 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
PSU - 600watt
Monitor - 20inch flatscreen

Specs.............................................................................................
OLD SYSTEM- running windows XP pro 32bit
CPU - Intel Pentium 4, 2533 MHz (19 x 133)
Memory - 1536 MB (DDR SDRAM)
Video - NVIDIA GeForce 6200 (256 MB)
Audio - Creative Audigy LS Audio Processor
MoBo - Intel Blue Mountain D845EBT (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DIMM, Audio, LAN, IEEE-1394)
HD - 100gb
PSU - 350watt
Monitor - 20inch flatscreen
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