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June 1, 2011 4:21:47 PM

Ive been running this subject through the gears over and over here lol.I am trying every OC there is available.Help me get correct DRAM/NB/CPU/HT/VCORE and voltages for my 890GX ASUS mobo...once again heres my specs..
Cpu: 965
Name: NeoCloud
Stepping: C3
Frequency: 4080
ref*multi: 240*17
CPU voltage: 1.488
CPU-NB: auto(1.1)
nb frequency: auto(1920)
NB volts: auto(1.3)
RAM: 2x2GB 1800Mhz DDR3 9-9-9-24-1T @ auto (1.65)
Motherboard: ASUS-M4A89GTD-PRO/USB3
Cooling: Air cooling/TT Black Widow V1
OS: 7 32-bit
HT:auto(1920)
NB:auto(1920)?not sure?
HT voltage:1.2
This is stable enough to run crysis 2 and other games but not prime95 for more than 10 mins.I plan on lowering HT to 2200 and so on...

lowjack989@Neocloud---Set your RAM to 1600 MHz@1.55v-1.6v, Multi. to x20, vcore 1.488v-1.52v, FSB 200 MHz

hey lowjack what about NB/HT freq and voltages?

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June 1, 2011 4:38:41 PM

NB I would set it to 2800 MHz @1.21v...HT 2600 MHz@1.21v....make sure the FSB is at 200 when you OC the NB, and HT as the math starts getting complicated.
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June 1, 2011 5:02:00 PM

lowjack989 said:
NB I would set it to 2800 MHz @1.21v...HT 2600 MHz@1.21v....make sure the FSB is at 200 when you OC the NB, and HT as the math starts getting complicated.


Believe it or not I have written down about 5 pages of OC instructions mostly from you lol, and yea its at 200x20.5 @ 4.1 ghz just to see if it will work.Might try to set NB down from the 2800 to 2600 and HT to 2200 according to bardacuda's settings if it keeps crashing at win7 startup (I get one or two crashes after altering settings)but so far so good,its slightly stable now(and I think you might know a little more considering you have my same hardware,lol).Then I am going to raise multiplier if its stable enough.Here is new cpuz.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1847318
I also switched the ram timing 1T(default on my ram) back to 2T thinking it can help untill I get stable.

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June 1, 2011 5:12:29 PM

I had a helluva time trying to get this beast stable at 4.2 GHz at my max safe voltage which is 1.525v..In the end 4.1 is MAX safe OC for me...My MAX insane POST OC is 4.452 GHz@1.552v

BTW...OCing the NB to MAX is a sure way to get a noticable performance improvement. Whereas the HT OC no improvment yet it is communicating as fast as my CPU will allow which is 2600 MHz
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June 1, 2011 6:12:27 PM

Hrmmm ok still trying out config cant get stable past 4.1 either.
Cpu: 965
Name: NeoCloud
Stepping: C3
Frequency: 4100
ref*multi: 200*20.5
DRAM freq: 1600
CPU/NB frequency: 2800
HT link: 2600
CPU voltage: 1.488
CPU-NBv: 1.3
CPU VDDA(optional): 2.5
DRAMv: 1.65
HTv: 1.21
NBv: 1.21
RAM: 2x2GB 1800Mhz DDR3 9-9-9-24-2T
Motherboard: ASUS-M4A89GTD-PRO/USB3
Cooling: Air cooling/TT Black Widow V1
OS: 7 32-bit
GFLOPS: N/A
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June 1, 2011 7:07:30 PM

Neocloud said:
Hrmmm ok still trying out config cant get stable past 4.1 either.
NB : 2800
HT : 2600
NBv: 1.3
Vcore: 1.488
HTv: 1.2
20x200 fsb
DRAM 1600 @ 1.65v

Why should I decrease my NBv?does it help stability?


Really you should lower your HT to 2200 as there is really no benefit putting it higher than that, so setting it so high could be causing the instability for no gain.
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June 1, 2011 7:10:10 PM

bardacuda said:
Really you should lower your HT to 2200 as there is really no benefit putting it higher than that, so setting it so high could be causing the instability for no gain.


Check new specs reposted them edit last one.Sry we type too fast for me to reboot a thousand times trying to get back here and stable all at the same time lol.Do you think I should raise CPU/NB,HT and NB voltages? Also what else should I alter?
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June 1, 2011 7:20:23 PM

Neocloud said:
Check new specs reposted them edit last one.Sry we type too fast for me to reboot a thousand times trying to get back here and stable all at the same time lol.Do you think I should raise CPU/NB,HT and NB voltages? Also what else should I alter?


Hmm it's still showing that u have HT link at 2600 for me?
Anyway as far as voltages you can probably put CPU-NB to auto or maybe 1.1 or 1.15.
NB volts you could try raising but you may just need to lower the NB freq below 2800.

For me I find it's better to find the highest stable frequencies before raising the voltages. Your hardware may just not be able to run at those speeds and you could raise voltage all day till you fry something and not get a stable system.
Once you find a stable setting, begin to raise the frequency, and if that becomes unstable, then try raising the voltage to compensate. If you raise the voltage by a good margin and still can't get stable then you've found your max frequency so step it down a notch, and then lower your voltage to the minimum you need to keep it stable at that frequency.

EDIT: By the way have you been able to pass stability testing with your CPU at 4.1 with everything else lowered to spec level? If not then it could still be that your CPU frequency is the problem.
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June 1, 2011 8:05:11 PM

bardacuda said:
Hmm it's still showing that u have HT link at 2600 for me?
Anyway as far as voltages you can probably put CPU-NB to auto or maybe 1.1 or 1.15.
NB volts you could try raising but you may just need to lower the NB freq below 2800.

For me I find it's better to find the highest stable frequencies before raising the voltages. Your hardware may just not be able to run at those speeds and you could raise voltage all day till you fry something and not get a stable system.
Once you find a stable setting, begin to raise the frequency, and if that becomes unstable, then try raising the voltage to compensate. If you raise the voltage by a good margin and still can't get stable then you've found your max frequency so step it down a notch, and then lower your voltage to the minimum you need to keep it stable at that frequency.

EDIT: By the way have you been able to pass stability testing with your CPU at 4.1 with everything else lowered to spec level? If not then it could still be that your CPU frequency is the problem.


Writing all this down lol.Ok...so here is the correct in-order way to OC according to my BIOS and you Bardacuda.
Multiplier/FSB,DRAM freq,CPU/NB freq/HT freq over stable frequency's over Voltages lol.And no....I think I may have a bad prime95 download or a bad core now considering I havent passed it even on 3.6ghz and default auto oc the way I built it on auto without touching any setting and everything on default.I did set everything auto and 4.1 once and it did boot trying it now again to test your theory.


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June 1, 2011 8:08:37 PM

Neo---You got it.......on the other page you have...you may want up the vcore a bit to like 1.51v for stability
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June 1, 2011 8:40:54 PM

lowjack989 said:
Neo---You got it.......on the other page you have...you may want up the vcore a bit to like 1.51v for stability


Hey lowjack sry to keep asking you the same questions but.....set CPU/NB to 1.3 or 1.21?(you got me a little confused between NBv and CPU/NBv).I have CPU/NBv on 1.3 and NBv on 1.21(like you said). Then I also have HTv on 1.21. Thanks for all your help man considering I build alot of these setups and want to make sure everything can be set to safe levels eventually over time for regular ppl that dont OC if they have a problem with thier setups being too slow.And to tell you the truth most of the ppl I build my setup(or close like 790-880-890/555-955-965 setups) don't ever use it for what I do which is extreme gameage/overclocker enthusiast.But if they ever did have a problem I would be able to fix it with a simple multi or fsb raise by one click or so lol.Which btw.....when I was working at several places including Wendy's(Which I have no bias against just certain ppl working there), which there was a 17 yr old girl that told me she can just go to google(which I also have no bias against except for certain ppl that believe google has the answer for everything) and fix her pc anythime she wants......I cannot stop laughing over this.
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June 1, 2011 8:55:25 PM

CPU/NB should be 1.21v....NB shpuld be 1.21v as well....HT should be 1.21v.... When OCing it at 4.1GHz I maintain a 1.51v vcore setting too.

OCing on this set-up is a pie job...very stable board....Having the NB OCed has caused not one issue as far as stability goes...I ran my first OC attempt on this set-up @2000NB and 2000HT....
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June 1, 2011 9:01:00 PM

Best answer selected by neocloud.
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June 1, 2011 9:18:04 PM

Sry Bardacuda ,....lowjack is right on these stable settings...and I would hate to raise voltages on anyones board to NB/1.25-1.3v or higher than default considering lowjack and many other ppl I built thier systems for would not like the power increase on thier pc's and power bills in florida lol.Yes,I know you are going to argue over higher NB voltages at this point but lowjack has sucessfully completed the TH AMD OC Table(which isn't much I know considering I still dont believe some of the vcore/voltage etc settings,lol)but they are all stated (like ive said before) to be stable and correct timings/voltages/multi and fsb settings etc here.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Atid2icGx257dF...
I am on the Insane list here
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Atid2icGx257dG...
at some wierd azz backwards settings lol.
Also the AMD OC thread we are in now for futute reference to anyone else is here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-261868_29_300.ht...
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June 1, 2011 10:50:37 PM

You'll get no argument here. Voltage should be kept as low as possible and only just enough to keep the system stable. I wouldn't suggest raising NB voltage unless you ran into a system instability after raising the NB frequency and it was still low enough not to cause harm to your system.
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June 1, 2011 11:09:35 PM

@neo---Barracuda is in the stable list also he's got a nice OC on that 640
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June 1, 2011 11:14:54 PM

bardacuda said:
You'll get no argument here. Voltage should be kept as low as possible and only just enough to keep the system stable. I wouldn't suggest raising NB voltage unless you ran into a system instability after raising the NB frequency and it was still low enough not to cause harm to your system.


Yea I raised NBv to 1.25-1.3 like you said after multiple boots (x10) to no avail and multiple crashes at win 7 boot (32) but stabe at 1.21 like lowjacks settings sry man don't wanna keep you around if you dont feel like it after putting you down so many times,lol.
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June 1, 2011 11:28:28 PM

lowjack989 said:
@neo---Barracuda is in the stable list also he's got a nice OC on that 640


Yea but he has yet to experience many 965 OC crashes and OC settings to the max like us and many more OC enthusiasts that I have built many PC's for utilizing the 555-955-956 cores and 780-890 mobo's like us.I do not discriminate or hold any bias opinion against those with correct stable settings for my system and others just like it.
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June 2, 2011 4:22:43 AM

Neocloud said:
Yea I raised NBv to 1.25-1.3 like you said after multiple boots (x10) to no avail and multiple crashes at win 7 boot (32) but stabe at 1.21 like lowjacks settings sry man don't wanna keep you around if you dont feel like it after putting you down so many times,lol.


No worries just trying to help. I don't recall suggesting raising the NB volts to 1.3. 1.25, yes, but I should have specified that is only if you have identified a high NB frequency as the issue. I did say back in the other thread that NB @ 1.3V/2600 should be OK but I meant that only in a stability sense...and I only said that because that's what you had posted that you already had it set to...and not to say that you couldn't lower the voltage but that your instability was probably caused by something else eg. the RAM frequency.
You are right though I do not have any experience overclocking with that particular board or chip. I didn't realize bumping NB volts from 1.21 to 1.25 would cause instability...in fact I have never heard of an instability caused by raising voltage before. Only reason I can see that happening is if the small voltage increase somehow caused your thermals to go out of whack forcing a shut-down. Is that typical for this board, or ASUS boards in general or something?

Neocloud said:
I think I may have a bad prime95 download or a bad core now considering I havent passed it even on 3.6ghz and default auto oc the way I built it on auto without touching any setting and everything on default.I did set everything auto and 4.1 once and it did boot trying it now again to test your theory.


Something is definitely wrong here if your system is not even stable with everything at stock settings. If this is the case you probably have a bad piece of hardware. If you have another CPU and stick of RAM kicking around that you know are good then you should try swapping out parts one at a time and stability testing in between to narrow down the culprit. If it's still not stable with good RAM and a good CPU then it must be a problem with some other component such as the board or the PSU.
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June 2, 2011 12:27:36 PM

ULTRA weird....I dont know but I am switching out to a new 955 for a customer and then gskill 1600 ram to see if that makes any difference,get back to ya later thanks man.I think Im getting thermal shutdown not unstability..because I can watch my heat climb 2 degrees F every second before it shutws off right after high 120's-130F.
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June 2, 2011 1:53:06 PM

Which cooler are you using on this RIG? I use an OK water cooler (Corsair H60) and at 4.1@1.5v I reach a maximum temp. of 124f or 51c... With a decent cooler you should be able to maintain a good OC...I just noticed that you didn't list one on the TH OC table...All this time your OC appears to been hindered by stock cooling...Also, just curious in this day and age why would you use a 32-bit OS, when 64-bit OS's are so readily available?

BTW..maximum temp. on the 965 is 143f or 62c
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June 2, 2011 2:23:06 PM

lowjack989 said:
Which cooler are you using on this RIG? I use an OK water cooler (Corsair H60) and at 4.1@1.5v I reach a maximum temp. of 124f or 51c... With a decent cooler you should be able to maintain a good OC...I just noticed that you didn't list one on the TH OC table...All this time your OC appears to been hindered by stock cooling...Also, just curious in this day and age why would you use a 32-bit OS, when 64-bit OS's are so readily available?

BTW..maximum temp. on the 965 is 143f or 62c


Hey thanks again...yea I only got a ThermalTake V1 Black Widow Copper Fin 110mm fan. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1243/thermaltake_v1_cp...
The suprising thiing is,I run alot lower temps at idle and gaming than most of these builds with the same hardware except they have usually a stock cooler.One of my friends with the 955-880 setup runs 104 idle and 130 playing wow or eq or one of those crappy games.I dont even hit 120 on any game except crysis 1 benchmarks and bad company 2 and a few others but not many.I figured that since I run 88F idle that it wouldnt increase that much considering I have the 10 fan setup in my ThermalTake Armor A60 case. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I guess Im gunna knock it back to 3.9-4.0 untill I get a LCS.I use 32 bit for a variety of reasons.It is alot easier to install and get working than 64 bit on older machines that have been upgraded to compensate for the xp-7 switch.At the time I bought 32 bit, 64 bit didnt have adobe and alot of other programs compatible for it yet.And I would love 64 bit so I could utilize my 4GB of ram better than the 3GB that 32 bit locks it off to.I rushed into getting any win 7 when I got it as fast as I could so I could finally run dx11 games and games that were coming out at the time with dx9-dx10-dx11 modes that I never got to try.
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June 2, 2011 2:30:30 PM

Oh you do have aftermarket cooling...For some reason I thought that TT cooler you listed was a case....doh...I can for sure understand now why you got 32-bit....I am always in a hurry too...
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June 2, 2011 3:14:58 PM

lowjack989 said:
Oh you do have aftermarket cooling...For some reason I thought that TT cooler you listed was a case....doh...I can for sure understand now why you got 32-bit....I am always in a hurry too...


Lol yea always in a hurry to get the next best thing.Alot of upgrades in the past on this thing.Went from a 5670 to a 5770 and from a 500w psu to a 1000w.Modded a 60mm fan near the GFX card for better cooling and it helped about 5 degrees.I used to have a LCS but then it broke on my last system and I threw it out cause I dont want water in my mobo lol.They gave my cooler a really good review and when i bought it they changed the name to include Black Widow and it was 22 bucks at BestBuy lol.So Im not griping about the cooler...I just thought it might have been enough to get to 4.2.Guess not...Im going to keep it at 4.0 and try downing voltages again.Right now CPU/NB is 1.3 so ill drop it to 1.2-1.25 again see if that helps.I do think that too much voltage can cause instability because I noticed when it is too high on CPU/NB or vcore ...I dont even post bios.So I dont know ...I would hate to think any part in my pc is bad(which I dont think it is)....but will accept it and replace it if I keep getting problems at 4.0.Ill get a LCS as soon as I can to see if thats why Im crashing.I do think its a thermal event now that I looked at everything again so It may just be my cooler is stable at idle and so on during gaming but gets way too hot when prime95 overheats it.No program I have runs all my cores that speed so yea....thats prolly it.
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June 3, 2011 2:37:17 PM

If u guys are still around...just a couple more questions....So my ram is Kingston 1800 DDR3 (etc)...on the specs at newegg it shows it being able to handle up to 1.9v.The timings and voltages on reviews have it as low as 1600@1.5v....8-8-8-20(24).I get it now....even though my ram maybe rated to go as high as 1800 ..by underclocking it allows for tighter timings and higher cpu clock speeds by multiplier as opposed to a locked cpu with no multiplier and having to use the fsb instead.I hope I am correct in that statement ..but after years of playing with this thing thats my assumption so far.Also,My 125w 965 is newer than the 140w ones that came out before.I am guessing this directly coordinates to the vcore setting which maybe why you guys have the old 140w cores and I have the new 125w 965?Not sure...because this maybe why I am not stable at higher vcore settings?Please correct me instantly and harshly,.....lol
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June 3, 2011 2:53:04 PM

Neocloud said:
If u guys are still around...just a couple more questions....So my ram is Kingston 1800 DDR3 (etc)...on the specs at newegg it shows it being able to handle up to 1.9v.The timings and voltages on reviews have it as low as 1600@1.5v....8-8-8-20(24).I get it now....even though my ram maybe rated to go as high as 1800 ..by underclocking it allows for tighter timings and higher cpu clock speeds by multiplier as opposed to a locked cpu with no multiplier and having to use the fsb instead.I hope I am correct in that statement ..but after years of playing with this thing thats my assumption so far.Also,My 125w 965 is newer than the 145w ones that came out before.I am guessing this directly coordinates to the vcore setting which maybe why you guys have the old 145w cores and I have the new 125w 965?Not sure...because this maybe why I am not stable at higher vcore settings?Please correct me instantly and harshly,.....lol


The 125W model's default vcore is 25mV lower than the 140W and in theory can be clocked higher. Here's a link to an article about it:

New 125W TDP For The 965

You are correct about RAM frequency and timings. Lowering frequency makes it more stable and allows for tighter timings whereas a higher frequency is less stable and requires more voltage. The same goes for the other frequencies too (northbridge, hypertransport, and processor). Higher frequency = less stable; higher voltage = more stable and vice-versa. That is why when you raise the frequency to a point where it becomes unstable you must raise the voltage to compensate. However raising the voltage will have diminishing returns on stability and at some point will not become any more stable no matter how much you raise it, so the key is to find the sweet spot that is stable and you are happy with.

EDIT: Also raising voltage will raise your temperatures and is not good for the lifespan of your hardware and could cause it to go up in smoke. That is the only reason raising voltage could cause an instability is if it makes for too much heat and your computer shuts down to protect itself.

EDIT2: Oops hahahah! I had that link in my clipboard cuz I just posted it to a friend's wall on facebook cuz they like to say durpa derp durr all the time LOL! Anyway I fixed the link
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June 3, 2011 3:23:49 PM

So about the vcore/125w connection?Lol you gave me a link to a wierd southpark vid.Well Ill keep looking and waiting for you to correct lol.
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June 3, 2011 3:36:33 PM

It's been updated lol. Check out page 7 of that article. They were only to get theirs ups to 3.9GHz no matter how much they cranked the voltage.
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June 3, 2011 4:06:58 PM

bardacuda said:
It's been updated lol. Check out page 7 of that article. They were only to get theirs ups to 3.9GHz no matter how much they cranked the voltage.


Ok...I shouldnt have jumped the gun on BA yet (allthough Ill start a new post and prolly end up giving you BA next time cause of this)lol cause this article holds the key to my computers heart lol.I almost love you bardacuda lol ..j/k.The only problem I see with this guys article is he accidentally must have stated 2.5 instead of 3.5 by using the memory controller(cant we all just say multiplier or fsb...lol)Allthough he did confirm my suspicion about the vcore being past 1.525 was too high and unstable.He stated that using AMD Overdrive is a easy way to OC without rebooting a buncha times.Whatta load of crock that is...Ive never been able to use AOD as it crashes my system on stock auto settings and doesnt work at all for me no matter how many times I downloaded and installed newer versions it still and will always suck to me lol.
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June 3, 2011 5:01:16 PM

Actually I'm pretty sure he was referring to his NB frequency when he was talking about OCing the memory controller so 2.5GHz makes sense. The north bridge is the link between the CPU and the RAM and is closely related to the memory controller. Think of it as your motherboard's portion of the memory controller.

He did feel that 1.525 was too high and yes that is about the max anyone should put to one of those CPUs, although some ppl are comfortable going as high as 1.55 or more. It all depends how long you want your hardware to last, how much performance you want to squeeze out of it, and what type of cooling solution you have. You should understand though; it is not the voltage that makes it unstable, it is lack of voltage at a given frequency...voltage makes it more stable. He was saying that even though he put the voltage as high as 1.525, he could still not make it stable at that frequency.

I've never used AOD so don't know much about it really, but you say your system crashes on stock settings anyway, so it may have nothing to do with AOD and something to do with faulty hardware.

BTW there is a very good sticky about OCing black ed. CPUs by 4ryan6, one of the main moderators of the forum here:

AMD Black Edition Overclock Guide (Raising Multiplier)

He actually has the exact same CPU as you. He got his to 4.2 GHz
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June 3, 2011 7:36:14 PM

bardacuda said:


BTW there is a very good sticky about OCing black ed. CPUs by 4ryan6, one of the main moderators of the forum here:

AMD Black Edition Overclock Guide (Raising Multiplier)

He actually has the exact same CPU as you. He got his to 4.2 GHz


I read and re-read that whole thing a thousand times and printed it out.He does not mention NB/HT frequencys or voltages or anything Im asking you guys about for that matter.I wanted to fill in the gaps not only for myself,but for the many people who look up this stuff in the future and I can always go back and find what I did right lol.

bardacuda said:

Actually I'm pretty sure he was referring to his NB frequency when he was talking about OCing the memory controller so 2.5GHz makes sense. The north bridge is the link between the CPU and the RAM and is closely related to the memory controller. Think of it as your motherboard's portion of the memory controller.

Ripped from EXTREME Overclocking:
I tried up to 1.525v but at the rate the system crashed you could tell it was a downhill slope with the increase in voltage.I messed around a little overclocking the memory controller, I was up around 2.5GHz without any issues./END.


So u mean NB freq 2.5GHz=2500MHz?duh...lol... confusing terminology considering my mobo(or anyone elses for that matter that I know of) doesnt calculate in GHz when altering frequencys.In his first sentence he was talking about vcore and then randomly jumped to NB freq confusing the hell out of me thinking he was referring to cpu clock speeds.I figured I was going to get a northbridge explanation also thanks...lol

bardacuda said:

I've never used AOD so don't know much about it really, but you say your system crashes on stock settings anyway, so it may have nothing to do with AOD and something to do with faulty hardware.


AOD is not user friendly for me and when I use it win7 locks up even on mild basic settings.Hitting the auto clock option crashes and boots to bios so I removed it.

bardacuda said:

EDIT: Also raising voltage will raise your temperatures and is not good for the lifespan of your hardware and could cause it to go up in smoke. That is the only reason raising voltage could cause an instability is if it makes for too much heat and your computer shuts down to protect itself.


Im starting to think maybe im trying to go too high on my multiplier and it seems 20x instead of the 20.5x i had it set at is way more stable.I did use TurboV Evo(a pack-in program that comes with my mobo) with bios set to 20x200(everything else auto) to achieve 4.08GHz at 20x204@1.488 and pass the program's stability test as opposed to prime95 at the same frequency/voltage(etc).
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1850541
So like I said before it might be due to a thermal event after running prime95 for so long as opposed to running a short stability test that passes,considering also most of you have hyper212+'s and LCS's....my TT Black Widow V1 just may not be enough to run any higher than 1.488vcore or close to you guys without overheating and if I go any higher to compensate for clock I am unstable.I realize now from reading all the OC guides I could on the net and friends systems that most ppl dont even get past 3.5-3.9GHz on anything below my cooler or what you guys have and give up at those OC's safely.I have picked that out as the culprit so far when I noticed everything is fine in prime95 untill I hit a certain cpu temp which I am monitoring during testing using PC Probe 2(another pack-in program with mobo) which I have set to update every second.I realize that the info displayed by it may not be correct all the time and not to trust it (just like most OS temp monitors). I noticed when it hits 120-130F CPU temp, my desktop freezes at and may be going higher than that before prime95 overheats the cooler/cpu (at above 140F)and I crash to bios.Fortunatley after crash my temps drop drastically with the air cooling I have.....but unfortunatley I cannot see what temp I crashed at and there is no warning message or log recording events.It must be a graduall slight raise in temp that im not noticing when it does crash after 10 minutes because that is exactly what Im seeing happen in Pc Probe 2 before the freeze/crash...it slowly climbs past the 120's then 130's then crash right after 135-138(around there).I am going to be happy to find out if the best LCS I can buy or build will help a little bit.
Now for the next question....lol.Can I tighten my timings down to 8-8-8-20 and will it help or be unstable and so on and so on ...lol im sry if ur getting tired of catering to me lol.durpa derp durr

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June 3, 2011 10:11:16 PM

Neocloud said:
I read and re-read that whole thing a thousand times and printed it out.He does not mention NB/HT frequencys or voltages or anything Im asking you guys about for that matter.I wanted to fill in the gaps not only for myself,but for the many people who look up this stuff in the future and I can always go back and find what I did right lol


In the guide, after he says to leave everything at default and set your RAM settings to factory values:

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All your specification speeds like Hyper Transport, or North Bridge, etc. need to all be set to their default [If you know the default setting] or left on auto settings, all voltages on Auto except for the Memory which you've already manually set and your CPU's Vcore voltage, that you will be manipulating later.


after he explains how to get a stable overclock on the CPU core he says this:

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Once you've reached a stable overclock, there is more fine tuning you can do, as far as tightening memory timings, or raising Hyper Transport speed, or voltages to other areas like the North Bridge or Hyper Transport, but discover your stable overclock first then tweak from there, and if it doesn't work for your particular setup, you can fall back to what does work for you.


At the beginning of the guide he says this:

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If you are a Throw Caution to the Wind Overclocker, this is not the guide for you!
There are no pictures in this guide, it was specifically designed so that if you possess the ability to read, comprehend, and apply what you learn, you will be able to achieve an overclock with virtually no prior overclocking experience.
You will be manually setting and saving BIOS settings, and It is your responsibility to research, and discover all the hardware specifications, your specific hardware requires.


You are doing that research now by asking us what to set those to. Again I will suggest setting HT link to 2200, HT volts to auto, NB frequency to 2600, and NB volts....I'd say start with stock, and if it's not stable, bump it up little by little. Maybe start at 1.2 volts. Do this only after you have set your RAM and found a stable clock/voltage setting for your CPU with HT and NB at stock. I really can not stress this enough.

As far as trying to tighten RAM timings leave that until the end after you have found stable settings for everything. They key is to only change one thing at a time and stability test in between....that way if your system suddenly becomes unstable then you know exactly which setting change caused it to do so and you can then set it back to a stable setting. If you change multiple settings and then find an instability you have no idea which setting is causing the issue, and it could be any combination of them. So if you go change your RAM timings, NB and HT freq/volts, and then find an instability, you have no clue which or how many of those settings you will have to tweak and are basically just taking wild stabs in the dark and making it impossible to troubleshoot.

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So like I said before it might be due to a thermal event after running prime95 for so long as opposed to running a short stability test that passes,considering also most of you have hyper212+'s and LCS's....my TT Black Widow V1 just may not be enough to run any higher than 1.488vcore or close to you guys without overheating and if I go any higher to compensate for clock I am unstable.I realize now from reading all the OC guides I could on the net and friends systems that most ppl dont even get past 3.5-3.9GHz on anything below my cooler or what you guys have and give up at those OC's safely.I have picked that out as the culprit so far when I noticed everything is fine in prime95 untill I hit a certain cpu temp which I am monitoring during testing using PC Probe 2(another pack-in program with mobo) which I have set to update every second.I realize that the info displayed by it may not be correct all the time and not to trust it (just like most OS temp monitors). I noticed when it hits 120-130F CPU temp, my desktop freezes at and may be going higher than that before prime95 overheats the cooler/cpu (at above 140F)and I crash to bios.Fortunatley after crash my temps drop drastically with the air cooling I have.....but unfortunatley I cannot see what temp I crashed at and there is no warning message or log recording events.It must be a graduall slight raise in temp that im not noticing when it does crash after 10 minutes because that is exactly what Im seeing happen in Pc Probe 2 before the freeze/crash...it slowly climbs past the 120's then 130's then crash right after 135-138(around there).I am going to be happy to find out if the best LCS I can buy or build will help a little bit.


Again, from the guide:

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Factors in cooling are, ambient room temperature, case airflow, and the selected cooling solution method either air or water, since this guide does not cover extreme overclocking, extreme solutions are not necessary, after market CPU air cooling solutions today are very efficient and cooling performance wise fall just short of some of the loop water cooling solutions, and are a lot less trouble setting up and maintaining, the end choice is yours.

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CPU Air Cooling Solutions, there are some really efficient after market air cooling solutions, that can actually out perform some of the lower to mid range water cooling solutions, so factors in selecting them are, does it fit your motherboard?, and will it fit inside your case?

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CPU Water Cooling Solutions, the biggest caution of going this route is being absolutely positive you have no leaks, being prepared with a maintenance wise mindset to inspect your system daily, and pre-educating yourself on all that is required to set up a water cooling solution in the first place.


I would first suggest you just try re-seating your cooler with proper thermal grease and make sure it is clamped on properly, etc. If you find that your cooler is just garbage the Hyper 212 is what Saint19, myself, and many others use, and personally I think it's great. My CPU does not go above 50°C at 1.49V when stressed to the max and it's only about $30. Like 4ryan6 says air cooling is probably just as good as any low or mid-range liquid cooling system which is much more expensive, time-consuming, and more things can go wrong.
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June 3, 2011 10:21:55 PM

Hey....my cooler isnt garbage lol??? its just you guys have ones that marginally outperform mine in this area lol.I have seated it properly again yesterday just to make sure that wasnt the problem and to check for any damage using AS5.Yea...totally understand what you mean by setting everything to default and believe me I know not to change but one setting at a time when booting.Everything is always at auto now and I havent ran prime95 again yet...but am getting worried that overheating my cpu over and over is going to hurt it even at 1.488(auto in bios) vcore settings that Turbo V Evo put it at to compensate for the multi/fsb settings I set.The only thing that is set is the multiplier(20) and the fsb(200).I will try running it again but I just figured I would let Turbo V Evo straighten me out on what it thinks is acceptable when it sets the voltages/fsb/etc. and passed its stability test.
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June 3, 2011 10:29:34 PM

I'm not saying it is garbage. I don't have any experience with that cooler. I'm just saying if you do happen to find that is lacking and are looking for suggestions for a better cooler I recommend the hyper212.

If you are unwilling to run prime to stability test then there is no point in trying to OC, so you'll have to get your thermals to a comfortable level first.
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June 3, 2011 10:41:44 PM

Np, durpa derp durr ...lol cant stop saying it now...look what you did to me man.Yea Im guessing ill get a hyper212 for now...then try to find a uber LCS soon.I got tweakers block.TWEAKERS BLOCK!!!.
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June 4, 2011 1:18:43 AM

Look at my wierd prime95 results after 1 minute on small test on 1.488vcore@3.8GHz with everything else auto.So yeah my cooler is garbage lol.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/prime95fail.png/

Here is TurboV Evo results after stability test.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/turbovpass.png/

Like I said all my games run fine with no crashes or anything even at 3.9-4.0GHz@auto vcore and have been playing about every game there is for about a year or more.Maybe I shouldnt be complaining about the cooler since it has gotten me this far but I want to achieve ultimate uber OC like you guys lol.
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June 4, 2011 4:14:31 AM

I can't see much of anything in those pictures because the resolution has been lowered. I do see that prime was halted without any errors or warnings though so that's good.

Like I said though you should probably try re-seating the heatsink before you give up on your cooler. The cooler itself may be just fine but just not able to work at it's full potential if it is not making good contact or there is too much or too little or poor quality thermal compound. Benchmark reviews did a great article covering all aspects of this here:

Best Thermal Paste Application Methods
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June 4, 2011 12:40:48 PM

Sry re-edited to not resize for forums forgot.Updated pix.Thanks man but after re seating with a plastic flat putty knife making sure there were no pits(which I think I'm pretty good at)and AS5 is the best stuff I can afford at 10 bucks a tiny tube lol.Im pretty sure its just the cooler cant handle prime95.O well Ill just keep playing crysis 1-2 and higher games without overheating or crashing lol.
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June 29, 2011 12:08:25 PM

What about cpu spread spectrum and the other 3 options below it on my bios which is also another spread spectrum setting and 2 auto load line calibration level settings?
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