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Is it worth it to wait for the DX11 cards ?

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July 9, 2009 12:00:11 AM

i will be building a high end watercooled gaming machine and it will contain 3xgtx 285 2gb so will it be worth it for me to wait for the new DX11 cards ?

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July 9, 2009 12:10:22 AM

well im guessing from the specs you listed you want the fastest gaming machine you can build so waiting for the DX11 cards may be worthwhile for you
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July 9, 2009 12:35:21 AM

^ Agreed wait for dx11 cards soon to be released.
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July 9, 2009 7:11:47 AM

The question if something is worth buying now or waiting for it will always be answered by one's wallet. Your budget allows you a nice option of having 3 GTX 285s. I would build it now so I can immediately start enjoying the new wonderful gaming rig and telling myself as I watch the hyper liquid framerates "Now I know how that 3rd GTX 285 really boosts performance!"

Hey why not? Someone who can build a triple SLI GTX 285 rig now is someone who doesn't wait for untested DX11. I say do both, build the rig, enjoy the gaming now, and upgrade later too!
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 7:32:57 AM

It's deja vu all over again. A couple of years ago, it was "Is it worth it to wait for the DX10 cards ?".
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a b 4 Gaming
July 9, 2009 8:30:12 AM

^+1 :p 

And for the OP, 3x GTX 285...Not a good idea...as you said DirectX 11 cards are coming out so invest in 1 card for now, save some money and then go for the
DirectX 11 cards...
July 9, 2009 8:50:52 AM

There is always something around the corner. If your budget allows for buying now and upgrading later I say go for it. You could always sell the gtx 285's and recoup some of the cost. As of right now no one really knows anything about directx 11 and when games will be released. It is same situation as with dx10. no one asked what os you were planning on using. that also plays a factor into what cards you use.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 1:44:19 PM

tomshardware user said:
i will be building a high end watercooled gaming machine and it will contain 3xgtx 285 2gb so will it be worth it for me to wait for the new DX11 cards ?
HOLY CRAP! What resolution are you running that you need 3 - gtx285 2GB cards?!?!?!

If you want a decent card to game with until DX11 cards hit the market, you can't go wrong with either an ATI 4870 1GB or an nVidia 260 896MB card for the price/performance.

And, given the DX10/DX10.1 debacle who knows what level or the number of games that will take advantage of and support DX11.

If you got the money now, again, the 4870 1GB or the 260 896MB cards are great for the price/performance and won't break the bank if you upgrade to a DX11 card at the end of this year.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 2:17:45 PM

Seeing as money doesn't seem like much of an object to you (hey, we all have expensive hobbies, this or a car right? lol) there is no need to wait. You won't be happy with a stop gap, and if you are spending this much money now, what is another upgrade in some months when dx11 is actually useful? Thre is no telling how long it will take for dx11 games to come out, and as for hardware no matter when you buy it will be replaced by something faster in about the same amount of time..

Go nuts. Get what you want when you can afford it, upgrade when you feel like it. No sense playing the waiting game as there will always be something shiny coming "in just a few months."

As for whether it is worth the money, well that is not for me to say, I'm sure you'll enjoy a watercooled super computer, just don't spend more than you can afford!
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 3:15:40 PM

Looks like the vote is split on buy now or wait. If you wait now, you'll be waiting later as the above poster stated something new is always around the corner.
July 9, 2009 3:39:47 PM

May I suggest getting 2 or 3 Sapphire 4890 Atomic edition cards instead? From my experience when you overclock both the atomic and a GTX 285 then the atomic wins in almost all benchmarks. I'm running 3 4890 Toxic editions which are basically the same thing (this line has better caps and higher voltage) and I'm running them at 1100 core/ 1150 memory, I got tired of tuning so I gave them whole numbers.

By the way what loop are you looking at?

I'm running a GTX 480+GTX 240 loop and now I'm looking into a powerful DC pump with half again the head pressure of my current Swiftech 655.
July 9, 2009 4:12:06 PM

I say wait because not only for DX11 but also because the new cards SHOULD be faster.

If its like the DX9 vs DX10 card there was a jump in performance.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 4:22:37 PM

@OP: Like I said in your WC thread, just do the CPU loop, and just get a single 4870/4830/4850 for now. Then in a few months get a DX11 card and WC that. You can put that in a 2nd loop or integrate it in to your current loop.
July 9, 2009 5:16:36 PM

I would recommend getting 2 GTX295 Asus Mars editions :) ! If there are any left, only 1000 will be sold, I am pretty sure 2 asus mars are more powerful then 3 285's.
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July 9, 2009 5:55:04 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
I would recommend getting 2 GTX295 Asus Mars editions :) ! If there are any left, only 1000 will be sold, I am pretty sure 2 asus mars are more powerful then 3 285's.

In theory they would be, but im not sure how well a MARS would overclock or water cool. :) .
That and they are 2 grand each, even if you do find one....
July 9, 2009 6:38:18 PM

First, exactly how many game developers have already announced they will have games released and ready by DX11's introduction? I haven't heard of a single one and all ATI will say is "a wave of DX11 games is coming at release time." You think with just a few months to go we'd have heard of some actual bonafide titles by now.

Second, DX10 has been out closing in on three years now, and we are just now starting to see full saturation of support (and that includes last years SP1 for DX10.1 - someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

For my last build, I initially had an ASUS HD 4870 video card. Its performance in FSX was lousy (although it rocked in just about everything else) and then just decided to pull the trigger on an EGVA GTX 275 on sale for $199. Could I have waited for a DX11 card? Sure, I didn't need a new card per say. But the price was right and I gained nearly 10fps in FSX just with this card. Glad I didn't wait and this will last for some time.

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July 9, 2009 6:44:17 PM

"Kicking things off today, Codemasters has announced that their highly anticipated off-road racing title, Colin McRae: DiRT 2, has been pushed back to December so they can take full advantage of DirectX 11's new performance enhancing features. Here's the official word: "

http://www.yougamers.com/news/24908_dirt_2_delayed_gett...

1. This is the only game I have heard of that talked about DX11 support.
2. I know who Colin Mcrae is but no clue about the game
3. when has a game (especially PC game) ever come out on time
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 7:14:20 PM

BattleForge will be, tho its not a true top AAA title arguably.
I agree with shadow, buy small now, go big later. Its not as if the 285s will disappear, and will most likely be cheaper as well, if the DX11s come late, or dont produce.

Im also of the opinion DX11 and DX10+ games will be in the fast lane this time around, and we'll see more and more titles coming more quickly to it. And, Im sure therell be a nice bump in perf having DX11 cards. Currently, the 285s are way overpriced compared to perf http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4890_Tox...
As they say, the bigger you are, the harder you fall, so your return on investment wont be that high once the new cards do come out.

Take a look at my link, its very telling about the price/perf for the 285, where those 4890s and the 275s put up alomost the same numbers, for considerably less.
July 9, 2009 7:41:34 PM

I would not wait, you will need a PCi-e 3.0 slot to get the full benefit of Dx11.
July 9, 2009 7:52:21 PM

maximiza said:
I would not wait, you will need a PCi-e 3.0 slot to get the full benefit of Dx11.



False.


You will not need a PCI-e 3.0 slot considering graphics cards are finally beginning to use all of the bandwidth of a 1.0 slot.
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a b 4 Gaming
July 9, 2009 8:28:18 PM

maximiza said:
I would not wait, you will need a PCi-e 3.0 slot to get the full benefit of Dx11.


no you won't
July 9, 2009 8:45:25 PM

I'm waiting to upgrade my VC to DX11 not because it'll be DX11 but it'll be a new desing with new technology and should be faster.

If its like the previous change in vc gen, next gen mid-level cards could match the performance of this gen high-end cards.

At least wait for the first benchmark and if the performance difference isn't worth it, then you could buy your 3 GTX285 cheaper then than now.
July 10, 2009 11:20:06 AM

deuce271 , ct1615
when is Pci-e 3.0 supposed to be released ?
end of 2009-beginning of 2010.
when is Dx11 being released ??

it is not by chance, dx11 on a pci-e 2.0 will stink compared too pcie 3.0.
July 10, 2009 11:40:41 AM

daedalus685 said:
Seeing as money doesn't seem like much of an object to you (hey, we all have expensive hobbies, this or a car right? lol) there is no need to wait. You won't be happy with a stop gap, and if you are spending this much money now, what is another upgrade in some months when dx11 is actually useful? Thre is no telling how long it will take for dx11 games to come out, and as for hardware no matter when you buy it will be replaced by something faster in about the same amount of time..

Go nuts. Get what you want when you can afford it, upgrade when you feel like it. No sense playing the waiting game as there will always be something shiny coming "in just a few months."

As for whether it is worth the money, well that is not for me to say, I'm sure you'll enjoy a watercooled super computer, just don't spend more than you can afford!

I've got two expensive hobbies :'( 

This and custom bmx/mountain bikes.
I know I have a problem! LEAVE ME ALONE I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'M DONE!
July 10, 2009 1:27:50 PM

AlphaOmegaX said:
I've got two expensive hobbies :'( 

This and custom bmx/mountain bikes.
I know I have a problem! LEAVE ME ALONE I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'M DONE!


Heh me too, but its computers and my god damn Mustang that take all my money from me, I'm ever pushing the boundaries of street legal.
a c 235 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
July 10, 2009 1:52:23 PM

maximiza said:
deuce271 , ct1615
when is Pci-e 3.0 supposed to be released ?
end of 2009-beginning of 2010.
when is Dx11 being released ??

it is not by chance, dx11 on a pci-e 2.0 will stink compared too pcie 3.0.


you could not be more wrong, cards today can not take full advantage of 2.0. Like duece stated they are finally taking full advantage of 1.0.
July 10, 2009 2:00:34 PM

ct1615, you still have the same overhead costs with pcie 1.1 or pcie 2.0 . With Pcie 3.0 you will NOT have that 20 percent bandwidth overhead cost.
July 10, 2009 2:27:19 PM

Well...if the op would get the all powerful Asus Mars GTX295, he would need twice the bandwitdh of PCI-E 2.0 :) 
July 10, 2009 2:28:52 PM

That mars gtx looks freakin nice.

I want to hold it...then take two of them to bed with me.
July 10, 2009 2:41:34 PM

IN a 3dmark test, "Asus Mars GTX295's in SLI" scored 23% higher in the 3dmark test or something like that then the standard SLI GTX295's
July 10, 2009 6:11:24 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
Heh me too, but its computers and my god damn Mustang that take all my money from me, I'm ever pushing the boundaries of street legal.


So what is the PC analog of your mustang.... pushing the boundaries of desktop legal? :D  I love the similarities of souping up cars vs OCing PCs....pretty much the same thing. You are just not happy with the norm are you? :p 
a c 271 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
July 10, 2009 11:48:38 PM

Second gen DX11 cards are the ones to wait for IMHO.
a b U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2009 1:11:20 AM

Wait for DX11 cards; they will drop the prices of 295's through the floor.
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a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2009 1:39:32 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Second gen DX11 cards are the ones to wait for IMHO.


if nvidia keeps playing the same game, the second generation cards will be the first generation card under a new name :kaola: 

but i agree with you, the second generation usually irons out the wrinkles...like AMD quad core CPUs :D 
July 11, 2009 2:54:11 AM

SpinachEater said:
So what is the PC analog of your mustang.... pushing the boundaries of desktop legal? :D  I love the similarities of souping up cars vs OCing PCs....pretty much the same thing. You are just not happy with the norm are you? :p 


You hit it on the head bro.
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