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July 12, 2009 11:42:33 AM

Hi,
I wanna know if a Sapphire Radeon HD 4650 512MB GDDR3 will work whit a 250w PSU?

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July 12, 2009 11:43:34 AM

If it's a Dell, then yes.
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July 12, 2009 3:39:55 PM

Still, I do n't think it will be a problem, the 4650 uses very little power and needs no external power lead.
Just one point: The Packard Bell specs show the built-in card as being low profile, make sure the replacement will fit your case.
Otherwise, I see no problems.
This looks good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 12, 2009 8:54:41 PM

yes it will fit when i take out the old gpu it has lots of space
July 13, 2009 9:33:58 AM

but will 4670 work?
July 13, 2009 11:26:04 AM

Yes.
July 13, 2009 11:35:25 AM

Just posting incase the op wants added assurance, i agree with coozie there is no reason for it not to run. It dosent need extra power and dosent come near to using all the available power the slot supplies.

Mactronix
July 13, 2009 1:33:22 PM

so a Sapphire Radeon HD 4670 512MB GDDR4 will work on a 250w psu ( i wanna know before i buy)
July 13, 2009 4:25:59 PM

^ Hang on, mate, that's changing the game;)
No, it will not run a HD4670 with that memory.
Yes, it will run the HD4650.
I think Mactronix, like me, missed where you changed from a 4650 to 4670!
July 13, 2009 4:29:47 PM

then i am buying a Sapphire Radeon HD 4650 512MB GDDR3

from nvidia 7300 gs to Radeon HD 4650 is that a good choice?

and what do you mean? No, it will not run a HD4670 with that MEMORY?
July 13, 2009 4:50:57 PM

The 4650 does not require a 6 pin connector, so the answer is yes. I would not try anything higher than a 4650 with that PSU.

I would say they are about the same ( 7300 vs. 4650 ) , meaning you wont be able too tell the difference in performance.
July 13, 2009 5:00:08 PM

coozie7 said:
^ Hang on, mate, that's changing the game;)
No, it will not run a HD4670 with that memory.
Yes, it will run the HD4650.
I think Mactronix, like me, missed where you changed from a 4650 to 4670!



Yes i did but the guy has double posted anyway and i put him straight on the other post, linked to benchmarks explained how the whole PCIE power thing worked etc, between the two of us i guess teh right decision was made. ;) 

Mactronix

July 13, 2009 5:04:50 PM

coozie7 said:
You'll be very pleased (I hope) it is a big improvement, but just remember, the HD4650 is not a high-end card.
The HD4650 DDR3 is about a third down on the right, the 7300 near the bottom on the left!

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-geforce-graphics,r...

what do you mean whit high end card? i am new to graphic cards :) 

i am not a hardcore gamer i just play sims 3, medal of honor airborne and a little counterstrike
July 13, 2009 5:10:48 PM

@ Mactronix: Must have missed his other post, but you're correct, the right decision has been made.
Now: can I call you 'Mac' since we have posted together? ;) 

@Kashi169: The 'high end' means exactly that: The card is at the high or upper end of the performance table or league, the HD4650 is 'Mid to low end' , take a look at the list I posted, you'll soon see exactly what I mean, mate.

July 13, 2009 5:19:11 PM

OvrClkr said:
The 4650 does not require a 6 pin connector, so the answer is yes. I would not try anything higher than a 4650 with that PSU.

I would say they are about the same ( 7300 vs. 4650 ) , meaning you wont be able too tell the difference in performance.

What! is the two graphics card the same i cant play play medal of honor airborne whit it it is just 15 fps!
i am confused, coozie7 says: You'll be very pleased (I hope) it is a big improvement, and you: I would say they are about the same ( 7300 vs. 4650 )
July 13, 2009 5:25:12 PM

Both of those cards are low, end.. If you want more FPS you need a better card and PSU.
July 13, 2009 5:31:25 PM

coozie7 said:
@ Mactronix: Must have missed his other post, but you're correct, the right decision has been made.
Now: can I call you 'Mac' since we have posted together? ;) 

@Kashi169: The 'high end' means exactly that: The card is at the high or upper end of the performance table or league, the HD4650 is 'Mid to low end' , take a look at the list I posted, you'll soon see exactly what I mean, mate.



No worries ;) 

Mac :) 
July 13, 2009 5:31:40 PM

OvrClkr said:
Both of those cards are low, end.. If you want more FPS you need a better card and PSU.

Are you thinking about 7300 Gs or GT cuz i have GS and it sucks!
July 13, 2009 6:08:01 PM

but is a 4650 a good gaming card?
July 13, 2009 6:14:16 PM

Not in my opinion.
July 13, 2009 6:26:17 PM

OvrClkr said:
The 4650 does not require a 6 pin connector, so the answer is yes. I would not try anything higher than a 4650 with that PSU.

I would say they are about the same ( 7300 vs. 4650 ) , meaning you wont be able too tell the difference in performance.



Im sorry but you could not be more wrong if you tried,

@ kashi169,
So you have a 7300GS and not the 7500LE which is what your link to your system says, not to worry basically the same card performance wise, the 7500 LE was an OEM card anyway and i guess they may have just put in the nearest thing due to a shortage or something like that.

The 4650 is worlds apart from either card performance wise and the only thing that can change that is your CPU. Its on the slow side but you should still get a decent bump from the card.
To put it into figures for you the 7500LE can run the first FarCry at around 20FPS @1024x768. The 4650 can manage 70-80 FPS.
here are the tech specs for both cards.
Look at both sets of figures under the cards and look at the ones that match, Memory bandwidth/fill-rates,both texture and pixel. These are basic operating speeds/capabilities and show the 4650 to be far superior in every way to your currant card.

@ OvrClkr,
Not trying to be funny here but you really need to know what you are talking about when advising people on their hardware, may i respectfully suggest you research a little before posting next time

Mactronix :) 
July 13, 2009 6:39:12 PM

mactronix said:
Im sorry but you could not be more wrong if you tried,

@ kashi169,
So you have a 7300GS and not the 7500LE which is what your link to your system says, not to worry basically the same card performance wise, the 7500 LE was an OEM card anyway and i guess they may have just put in the nearest thing due to a shortage or something like that.

The 4650 is worlds apart from either card performance wise and the only thing that can change that is your CPU. Its on the slow side but you should still get a decent bump from the card.
To put it into figures for you the 7500LE can run the first FarCry at around 20FPS @1024x768. The 4650 can manage 70-80 FPS.
here are the tech specs for both cards.
Look at both sets of figures under the cards and look at the ones that match, Memory bandwidth/fill-rates,both texture and pixel. These are basic operating speeds/capabilities and show the 4650 to be far superior in every way to your currant card.

@ OvrClkr,
Not trying to be funny here but you really need to know what you are talking about when advising people on their hardware, may i respectfully suggest you research a little before posting next time

Mactronix :) 
thanks for the answer tomorrow i am going to buy the 4650 512mb gddr3 i hope i will get better performance i almost purchased a new psu and a graphic card after what ovrclkr said and then u said 7500LE can run the first FarCry at around 20FPS @1024x768. The 4650 can manage 70-80 FPS that changed my mind
so thanks
July 13, 2009 6:53:47 PM

mactronix said:
Im sorry but you could not be more wrong if you tried,

@ kashi169,
So you have a 7300GS and not the 7500LE which is what your link to your system says, not to worry basically the same card performance wise, the 7500 LE was an OEM card anyway and i guess they may have just put in the nearest thing due to a shortage or something like that.

The 4650 is worlds apart from either card performance wise and the only thing that can change that is your CPU. Its on the slow side but you should still get a decent bump from the card.
To put it into figures for you the 7500LE can run the first FarCry at around 20FPS @1024x768. The 4650 can manage 70-80 FPS.
here are the tech specs for both cards.
Look at both sets of figures under the cards and look at the ones that match, Memory bandwidth/fill-rates,both texture and pixel. These are basic operating speeds/capabilities and show the 4650 to be far superior in every way to your currant card.

@ OvrClkr,
Not trying to be funny here but you really need to know what you are talking about when advising people on their hardware, may i respectfully suggest you research a little before posting next time

Mactronix :) 


First of all I do know what I am talking about. The 4650 is a low-end card that will not give you playable FPS (unless you are used to having everything on ultra LOW).

Looks like you are trying to be funny, who told you the 4650 can get 60-80 frames on Farcry? That would be by far one of the craziest things I have heard here on Toms. Yea the 4650 might be a tad faster than the 7300 but not to a point where he will see a significant increase in FPS. Going from a 7300GS to any 4650 is not worth the cash period. Dont know, maybe you own a 4650 and didnt like my thread but, I have been using video cards since 94 back when AGP was the shiznit, I am not new to this.

Normally when you decide to upgrade, you dont settle for 10 maybe 20 fps more. You try to buy a card that will last you some time before you have to shell out more money. In my opinion going from a 7300 to a 4650 is a waste of time.
July 13, 2009 7:07:12 PM

@OvrClkr,
Wow such animosity, you clearly don't like being corrected :cry:  Well.....

Prepare to look like a world class prat http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4650_iSilence... I said 60-80 to allow for the CPU.
I was being charitable before, you know giving the benefit of the doubt. Plenty on here would have roasted you where you stood for trying to claim a 7300GS was anywhere near a 4650. But i was tactful about it, what do i get in return? You get all stroppy and saying its me that doesnt know what they are on about :pfff:  You may have been using cards from 94 but you still obviously know jack about them.

Mactronix
July 13, 2009 7:29:36 PM

Not really anmosity, I just dont see where it would make sense to go from 7300 to a 4650. But maybe you do, and I respect that.

I apologize if I irritated you, didnt see the "First Farcry". Why would you compare a card that is sold today (4650) with a game that was benched 5 years ago? If you see a night and day difference comparing any 7300 to a 4650 then props to you. I was just trying to help him buy a card that would last him in the long-run.

Btw those numbers are correct "IF" he was buying the card for such a game as the "First Farcry". Try playing L4D, any Crysis or even CoD5 with a 4650. IMO the card blows for today's demanding games.

Again, I didnt mean to start an argument, just trying to help out.
July 13, 2009 7:58:23 PM

Thank you :) 
Its really refreshing to post with someone who is prepared to take a step back and admit the possibility they could have been mistaken, never mind offering an apology. so again thanks and due respect to you in return.
By the way surprisingly enough L4D seems to be not too bad as far as the review i posted is concerned, CoD4 looks similar. However Crysis is a different ball game all together and i don't know enough about CoD5 to comment.
I 100% agree that by today's standards the 4650 is an entry level gaming card at best but there are integrated solutions today that wipe the floor with the 7300GS.
@ kashi169 You really should look at this as the last viable upgrade before a new system ;) 

Anyway the reason I used FarCry was simply because it was the first benchmark i could find using both the cards, not at the same time obviously.

Mactronix
July 13, 2009 8:02:34 PM

Respect, OverClkr, I look forward to seeing you become a regular.
July 13, 2009 8:05:29 PM

You are welcome Sir, and thank you for educating me on this. I am by no means a know-it-all and tend to disagree sometime with others. It happens from time to time...But it is good to be mistaken every now then (as long as you learn from the mistake).
July 13, 2009 8:07:45 PM

coozie7 said:
Respect, OverClkr, I look forward to seeing you become a regular.



Thank you Sir....
July 13, 2009 8:41:31 PM

You won't power up a 4670 DDR4 but with a DDR3 then probably yes. I run a 4670 with 300w and don't use much power at all.
July 13, 2009 8:52:43 PM

if any body dont know it i am NOT a hardcore gamer i just wanna play medal of honor, sims 3 and some flying games like fight simulator x, il2 sturmovik,lock on whit 30-60 fps

and does a 4670 ddr3 work whit a 250w psu?(some body say no like coozie7 and some say yes like nutz)
July 13, 2009 9:57:16 PM

Stay with the HD4650, the 4670 and 4650 DDR4 both use more power.
July 14, 2009 8:54:24 AM

what whit ati 3870?
July 14, 2009 9:03:26 AM

kashi169 said:
what whit ati 3870?



Just stick with the 4650 :)  The 3870 uses more power, lots more.

Mactronix
July 14, 2009 9:05:42 AM

yeah, Thanks too all guys for helping me :bounce: 

i will give some updates when i get the 4650

July 16, 2009 10:48:41 PM

I got the 4650 today and it is very good! i can play medal of honor air borne with evry thing on high whit 40 fps

it a big improvement for the last card!

July 17, 2009 8:59:50 AM

Glad your happy with it, enjoy your gaming
Mactronix :) 

November 14, 2009 11:13:42 AM

I've just spotted a HD4650 with 256mb Gddr4 from a retailer shop near my house, I had the same PSU as the host of the topic (250W), Just wonder if it will run???
November 14, 2009 11:26:53 AM

It would probably be fine. 256 mb ddr4 is interesting, haven't seen that before. Haven't even seen the ddr3 version of the card around in a long while.
November 15, 2009 8:54:57 AM

Just bought it today, It run fine on my rig, furmark gives it 3027(1024x768 w/o MSAA). The box shows that the card is from PowerColor, but there's no information about the card on the manufacture site, strange... If you want to see it, you can take a look at this pic.
November 15, 2009 3:47:09 PM

not trying to go off topic or anything but, i'm a newcomer here and i was wondering a few things...

i have a 235 - 250 watt psu... and the 4650 seems interesting to me....but..

i went to a local shop and they told me a 4830 could also run without a 6 pin connector? is this true? just making sure.

thanks =)
November 27, 2009 7:29:05 PM

I have a Dell Dimension 9200C with a 275w psu. I purchased a Sapphire Radeon HD 4650 PCIe w/ 512 DDR2 and my pc will not boot. Why do I keep reading everywhere that this card will work for this system? What am I doing wrong?


Dell Dimension DXCO61
4GB Ram
Vista Ultimate 32 bit

currently using ATI X1300 128

Please help!
Anonymous
November 28, 2009 9:54:10 PM

kashi169 said:
I got the 4650 today and it is very good! i can play medal of honor air borne with evry thing on high whit 40 fps

it a big improvement for the last card!


How good does this card play sims 3?
November 29, 2009 12:04:13 AM

Milena said:
I have a Dell Dimension 9200C with a 275w psu. I purchased a Sapphire Radeon HD 4650 PCIe w/ 512 DDR2 and my pc will not boot. Why do I keep reading everywhere that this card will work for this system? What am I doing wrong?

I'm not too sure about this, but there's a review in the manufacture site says that graphics card choices are limited, and looks like the other card that you can plug in is the x1300pro 256mb. Take a look here.
http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/desktops/dimen_9200c/pd.aspx?refid=dimen_9200c&s=gen
Quote:
How good does this card play sims 3?

I think it'll be fine, at least on the low configuration, if i'm not wrong Sims3 is a not a hardware killer game.
December 5, 2009 9:26:13 AM

my spec
3.16Ghz, core 2 duo,DELL, 250W,Vostro 220s ,4GB RAM, 500GB HDD,WIN 7
HD 4670 OR HD 4650 ? GDDR3 or DDR2 ?
which wud be better ?
can HD 48xx be handled ?
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