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High End Socket 775 vs. High End Socket 1366 Setup's

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June 22, 2009 9:54:48 AM

Hello fellow Tomshardware people, :hello:  :wahoo: 



I'm planning to build a new computer, but i don't know if i should build a socket775 or socket1366.

* Before you say anything please read the facts i know and the questions i need answering. Once you have finished reading that please select socket775 or socket1366, then please help me choose the best parts for that type of build.

* Socket755 = CPU's and motherboards that uses Socket775 (Core 2 Duo, Quad Core).
* Socket1366 = CPU's and motherboards that uses socket1366 (x58 Motherboards and i7 CPU's).


The facts i know and questions i need answering;
- The socket775 is going to be discontinued.
- Even though the socket775 is being discontinued the prices are very cheap which is a positive.
- From articles on www.tomshardware.com it is said their's only a small difference when compared a Core 2 Duo and Quad Core vs. i7 Core when you game. With this point, i'm concerned about future games. Like in 2010 or 2011 will socket775 still be able to play future games?

Will socket775 be able to run Windows 7 and office 2010? Will the new directX11 still support socket775?

- What is the advantage of building a socket1366 PC over socket775?




APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:
Approx. End of July when i get my tax return.


BUDGET RANGE:
$1,500 - $2500. (Australian $).


SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
1. Able to run Windows 7, Office 2010. Support from DirectX11.
2. Gaming (Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2, GTA IV, Fallout 3, Gears of War, Modern Warfare 2, Doom 4, Tom Clany's Splinter Cell: Conviction, Rage, Diablo, Half Life, Half Life 2, World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King.
3. Watch blu-ray movies.
4. Surfing the net.


PARTS REQUIRED:
- Case = I want a full tower case. I'm interested in CM HAF RC-932, CM RC ATCS 840, CM Cosmos S RC1100, Antec 1200.

- CPU = I want a very reliable CPU. For socket775 i'm interested in Q9550, Q9650 and for socket1366 i'm interested in i7 Core 920 or i7-EE965.

- Motherboard = I want a motherboard with the least bugs and be able to overclock and have sata ports so i can install sata hard drives and sata ii and esata. Also i would the like options to have a SLI graphics card. For socket775 i'm interested in ASUS P5Q3 DDR3, ASUS P5Q-Pro, ASUS P5Q-SE-R and for the socket1366 i'm interested in DFI X58-UT-T3H8, ASUS Rampage Extreme II, ASUS P6T.

- Graphics Card = Gigabyte 9800GT 1GB or 2xGigabyte 9800GT 1GB, Gigabyte 275GTX 896MB, Gigabyte 285 GTX 1GB or 2x Gigabyte 285GTX 1GB.

- Power Supply Unit = I want a power supply unit that has a 85% efficiency, highly reliable, quiet as possible. Also i want a power supply be able to supply for my whole PC. I'm interested in CM Real Power M1000 Modular, Corsair TX-750W, Antec True Power Quattro 1000W, CM Real Power 850W.

- RAM = Anything reliable and best suited with the CPU and motherboard above^.

- Keyboard and mouse = Any good keyboard and mouse for gaming.

- Cooling Products (CPU, RAM, Graphics Card) = Anything reliable.

- Hard drive = 2x250GB Sata (Raid 0 or 1 or 5), 2x2TB W.D Sata


PARTS NOT REQUIRED:
I don't need a new monitor right now. I plan to buy a 24" later when the prices goes down.


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
www.msy.com.au
www.itestate.com.au
www.pccasegear.com
www.fluidtek.com.au
www.staticice.com.au
www.pcsuperstore.com.au


PARTS PREFERENCES:
I would like to use an Intel CPU & ASUS mobo with a 24" LCD and full tower case.


OVERCLOCKING:
Yes.


SLI OR CROSSFIRE:
Maybe (if i need to in the future).


MONITOR RESOLUTION:
1600x1200 = 22", 1920x1080 = 24"


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
I would like a quiet PC..... When my PC is on the floor i don't want to hear the fans but i do want my case to have a high air flow. I want my PC to run Windows 7 and Office 2010 and play high end games.
June 22, 2009 2:59:24 PM

There are currently NO video cards that support DX11, as it hasn't even been made available yet. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I can't even tell the difference between DX9 and DX10 in the same game.

LGA 775 IS considerably cheaper than 1366, but 775 HAS been discontinued, and it's now considered "dead" technology. If you want a good gaming PC on a budget, go with a Phenom II 940. If you want to stick with Intel, get a Core i7 920.

There's NO reason you need 1000W of power unless you are doing heavy overclocking and a quad SLI setup or something ridiculous. A Corsair 750TX or 850TX will give you more than enough headroom. That coolermaster 850W you listed should also be fine.

Don't worry about any aftermarket coolers unless you are going to overclock from the get-go.

Here's a link to my i7 PC: CLICK
It will overclock well, and supports SLI and will upgrade very well.
June 22, 2009 3:13:05 PM

For your reported usage, a dual core cpu should be sufficient. Few games make use of more than 2 cores.(FSX,Supreme commander). A quad core is appropriate if you will be running multi core enabled applications or heavy cpu bound multitasking.

For your budget, however, you are in the quad core area, and there is no negative to having extra cores. Today, the i7 is the best quad out there. The <$300 i7-920 can be overclocked to $999 i7-965 levels which is safe and requires trivial effort. Be aware that new i5 quads and a new socket will be arriving in the fall. They should be very cost effective.

Windows-7 will run anything out there of interest.
Games and programs will run equally well on socket 775 or 1366.
I would not worry about DX11 for a while. Game developers will not implement it until DX11 is present in large numbers of their target audience.

For gaming, the vga card is the most important component. A card such as the gtx275 will give you good gameplay in most titles at 1920 resolution. Tou start to get very little improvement for your dollar after that.
A cpu clocked at 3.0 or better will be sufficient to drive a vga card like the GTX295.

For good info on quiet computing, visit www.silentpcreview.com Look for their case and component reviews. Antec P183 is highly rated.

Why are you interested in raid 0/1/5? What do you want to accomplish?
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June 22, 2009 3:17:54 PM

I would not recommend the LAG-775 socket at this time. For your uses, I would recommend the Phenom II 720, 940, or 955, or the Core i7 920. Any CPU in this list, in ascending order of total system cost, would be sufficient for your needs. None of the cpus have any reliability or compatibility issues at this time, and the Phenom IIs are fantastic value, while the i7s are fantastic, if overkill and often poorly scaling, performance. That said, you will not have a CPU bottleneck for years either way.
June 22, 2009 4:22:40 PM

^agree. Go with the LGA1366/i7 920. X58 motherboards are the only ones that in SOME cases support both SLI and crossfire at this time. Keep an eye out for news and specs of LGA 1156/ i5 and P55 motherboards. Anything you buy will work with Windows7 and Office 2010.
June 23, 2009 12:27:40 AM

here is a price comparison;

socket775:

case: cm haf rc-932 = $209
motherboard: asus p5q3-ddr3 = $195
cpu: core 2 duo e8500 = $262
ram: 6gb kit ddr3 1333mhz = $126
video card: 9800gt 1gb = $166
power supply unit: corsair tx-750w = $219
optical drive: sony dvd sata = $35
hard drive: 2x250gb (raid) = $124, 2x2tb w.d sata = $750
total = $2086

with this price i can afford to buy a new 24" ws lcd for #369


socket1366:

case: cm rc-atcs 840 = $375
motherboard: dfi lanparty ut-x58-t3eh8 = $445
cpu: i7 core 920 = $395
ram: 6g kit ddr3 1600mhz = $152
video card: 9800gt 1gb = $166 (for now when i get a new monitor i will get a gigabyte 295gtx)
power supply unit: antec true power quattro 1000w =$295
optical drive: sony dvd sata = $35 (future i will get a sony blu-ray writer)
hard drive: 2x250gb (raid) = $124, 2x2tb w.d sata = $750

total: $2737



My question: socket775 is discontinued... does that mean they are not making any more core 2 duo or quad core's for that socket? like if my core 2 duo e8500 dies, can i still buy a new socket775 cpu or socket775 motherboard? like the same brand and model
June 23, 2009 1:03:06 AM

It means they are not really making faster Core 2 Duos or Quads. After much demand Intel relented a little and released the E8600, but after you see the launch of the new mainstream LGA 1156 the only new LGA 775 CPUs that will come out are simply going to be lower power versions of what's already out.
June 23, 2009 1:04:00 AM

geofelt said:
For your reported usage, a dual core cpu should be sufficient. Few games make use of more than 2 cores.(FSX,Supreme commander). A quad core is appropriate if you will be running multi core enabled applications or heavy cpu bound multitasking.

For your budget, however, you are in the quad core area, and there is no negative to having extra cores. Today, the i7 is the best quad out there. The <$300 i7-920 can be overclocked to $999 i7-965 levels which is safe and requires trivial effort. Be aware that new i5 quads and a new socket will be arriving in the fall. They should be very cost effective.

Windows-7 will run anything out there of interest.
Games and programs will run equally well on socket 775 or 1366.
I would not worry about DX11 for a while. Game developers will not implement it until DX11 is present in large numbers of their target audience.

For gaming, the vga card is the most important component. A card such as the gtx275 will give you good gameplay in most titles at 1920 resolution. Tou start to get very little improvement for your dollar after that.
A cpu clocked at 3.0 or better will be sufficient to drive a vga card like the GTX295.

For good info on quiet computing, visit www.silentpcreview.com Look for their case and component reviews. Antec P183 is highly rated.

Why are you interested in raid 0/1/5? What do you want to accomplish?



the reason i want to my hard drives to have raid 0 is for gaming. i want my load times to be as fast a possible.

i went to my friends house and he had a raid 0... his load time for games is soooo fast that you can just count 1,2,3 and the game fully laods to the next mission or whatever. and the game was crysis.
June 23, 2009 3:13:52 AM

kufan64 said:
There are currently NO video cards that support DX11, as it hasn't even been made available yet. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I can't even tell the difference between DX9 and DX10 in the same game.

LGA 775 IS considerably cheaper than 1366, but 775 HAS been discontinued, and it's now considered "dead" technology. If you want a good gaming PC on a budget, go with a Phenom II 940. If you want to stick with Intel, get a Core i7 920.

There's NO reason you need 1000W of power unless you are doing heavy overclocking and a quad SLI setup or something ridiculous. A Corsair 750TX or 850TX will give you more than enough headroom. That coolermaster 850W you listed should also be fine.

Don't worry about any aftermarket coolers unless you are going to overclock from the get-go.

Here's a link to my i7 PC: CLICK
It will overclock well, and supports SLI and will upgrade very well.


"Kufan64"...you haven't purchased that hardware in your link yet have you? That build can be improved on...like getting you two gtx 275's in SLI with that same budget.
June 23, 2009 3:24:45 AM

Definitely go for 1366, yes the 775 is cheaper but its DEAD now, all new cpu's are for 1366.
June 23, 2009 3:28:31 AM

Quiet and powerful would be the 4890 vapor-x card. Your games show that a ATI card would be better.
June 23, 2009 10:10:52 AM

^ as would using the i7 since GTAIV needs that CPU.
June 23, 2009 2:36:58 PM

^+1. Not to mention, future games that have cr@ppy ports like GTAIV.
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