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June 22, 2011 2:53:37 PM

Greetings and salutations!

I've encountered quite the conundrum concerning water cooling; I've scoured google, sites, and forums all in the hopes to help provide an adequate solution to my situation.
Unfortunately, the deeper I delve in various forums and sites the more questions I have.

I've been interested in water cooling my system for quite some time, my only reluctance being due to intimidation of the seemingly elaborate nature of water cooling.
Although I feel now is as good of a time as ever to traverse the field.
As stated above I've researched the necessary materials, having done my best to empower myself with the knowledge needed for such a task... but still find myself somewhat clueless as to what steps to take next.
Before I continue I'd like to post the innards of my computer.
My system specifications are as follows:

Mobo: EVGA X58 SLI
GPU : Two GeForce GTX 570 HD Superclocked in SLI. A friend recently upgraded to two 590's in SLI so he gave me his 570's (Previously I was utilizing two 460's in SLI)
CPU : i7 930 (2.8 Ghz Stock but Slightly OC'd to a paltry 3.6 Ghz) Cooled with a Corsair H50
PSU : Kingwin ABT-1000MA1S - 1000-Watt
RAM : 12 GB OCZ DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 Gold Low Voltage
Case: Cool Master Stacker 830 Evo
Monitor: BenQ G2400W Black 24"
Fans: 10 120mm altogether (3 Front, 4 Side, 2 Back, 1 up top)

I've observed CPU/GPU temps as high as 85 Celsius and 88 Celsius respectively.
I don't think I have to tell you that these results are quite disappointing (and scary).
To remedy the situation I was opting for an external WC out of fear that my current chassis would not be able to properly accommodate an internal WC set up such as Koolance EXOS-2. But as had been discussed in another Tom's thread, said product does not include CPU, video and motherboard waterblocks nor their respective tubing, fittings and fluid (Fluid not being so much of a problem since distilled water will be used)

I've taken notice in numerous threads that the WC community recommends the XSPC RX360 for beginners but I am given the impression that this setup is best for a circuit consisting of only a CPU and maybe 1 GPU (unless separated by routing the loop through different components)
Eventually as I gain experience I'd like incorporate the NB/SB etc into the water cooling loop but for the time being my main concern is the CPU and both GPU's. ...Hopefully the 570's water blocks aren't a pain to obtain....
So gentlemen, what would you recommend I do? Should I upgrade to a different chassis? Go external? Or opt for the XSPC RX360 but replace its reservoir and pump from the get go but if I were to do that wouldn't it be best to simply go custom? Will that option be able to adequately provide cooling for 2 GPU's and 1 CPU?

I have no qualms going completely custom with the exception that some cite that its quite the daunting task for a novice.

Any and all advise is very much appreciated. I'd prefer if price were kept under 800 dollars.
Thank you!


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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 22, 2011 3:07:24 PM

I love new threads with a lot of research and information provided! :)  Excellent work, my friend. Now, back to the good part...

$800 for a CPU+SLI loop...hmmm I like this kind of challenge. First off, what case are you currently using? For a loop like this, it's very possible that you may not be able to keep everything internal. (few cases actually have this ability, anymore). However, it's possible to work with what you have to keep as much internal as possible, while providing enough good airflow to the radiators for them to do their work.

Are you looking to go universal or full-cover GPU blocks? (Not sure if you planned to run this setup for a while, or if you wanted to be able to use the blocks for your next GPU upgrades).

Not necessary to WC NB/SB...you can make an argument for NB if you are pushing your overclocks fairly high. Chipset/RAM blocks are pretty restrictive, so we generally don't recommend them unless people really want them, or are at an overclocking ceiling. Either way, you could always add one in later, if you wanted.

Get back to us with your case and thoughts on GPU upgrades for universal/full-cover blocks...that will help a little.
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June 22, 2011 4:01:28 PM

:D !!

That definitely made my day, thank you Rubix.
I had hoped to be as descriptive as possible, I apologize for missing a few tidbits of information.

Currently I am using a Cool Master 830 EVO case; the rig involved is THE first I assembled together on my own so forgive me if the components seem a bit off.
My intentions are run in this set up for quite awhile until Ivy Bridge is released; making any and all necessary upgrade decisions at that point in time such as motherboard, ram, etc.
...I..... am gamer :0 and use the computer as such; partaking in some Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, Crysis 1 & 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2 and F.E.A.R 3 to name a few.
I am satisfied and confident that the current set up I had listed in the previous post will suffice and tide me over till then. (I.e. as long as I get to enjoy Battlefield 3 on high-end settings, I will be a happy man!)
Of course if any of the gentlemen (or ladies) of the community have advise on possible computer upgrades do let me know, I'm open to any and all recommendations.

I digress, back to the main topic at hand. I have no qualms about upgrading to a different chassis; but only if advised.
The Cool Master 830 has the PSU situated on top, leaving some headroom on the bottom but not enough for reservoir/radiator to be housed within IMO due to the SLI configuration.
In fact the only reason I remain with the Cool Master 830 is due its ability to house multiple fans but with water cooling I fail to see the usefulness but nothing's wrong with working with what you have either.

I am looking into purchasing full-cover GPU blocks even if it means limiting the cover to strictly the current card (Which must be compatible with a SLI configuration of course) so that way the voltage regulator is being tended to as opposed to cooling only 1 portion of the GPU.
I agree with the Chipset/RAM blocks; I don't believe I would have much clearance in my board and I'm not planning on OCing any specific piece of hardware too high... perhaps i'll give this some thought on my next computer.
The GPU came factory overclocked which is insignificant to what most users can do themselves; nevertheless the card(s) itself runs quite hot... I am not comfortable with having my card running at 85 Celsius under load even if it was manufactured to withstand such temperatures.
I've read that its essential to provide great airflow to the radiators which in turn allows them to dissipate heat as the fluid is transported throughout the loop. If this requires me to have everything house within the case then I will do what is needed to optimize my set up. If my current case is not adequate for this, I was looking into upgrading to a Lian Li 2000 or Obsidian 800D.

Why go water cool if you aren't planning on allocating a decent amount of funds to the project after all. Price range is flexible; I can go higher but I know the community likes to have a price threshold. :D 

Thanks again!


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a b K Overclocking
June 22, 2011 6:06:22 PM

how important is the noise level ?
there is few different Lian Li 2000's can you provide a link (some will require modding for all internal set up)


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June 22, 2011 8:24:31 PM

I am indifferent towards the noise level - I don't mind noisy fans so long as the fan/set up in question is adequately cooling my system.

Actually, after much deliberation and research if I were necessary to upgrade to another chassis then the following down below would be my options:

Thermaltake Armor+

Coolmaster HAF 942

Corsair Obsidian 800D

I'm really keen on the Thermaltake Armor+; if my current chassis cannot house what it needs to for a CPU/2 GPU loop.
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a b K Overclocking
June 22, 2011 10:00:57 PM

both cases are no better than the one you have ,you have to look for the case that will house two good size RAD's,what do you think about pedestal ..you can fit 2x360 and keep the pump/res in your existing case ,similar to this ;
http://www.mountainmods.com/tower-pedestal-p-565.html

2x Swiftech MCR320-QP
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcqupo3xbl.html
Swiftech MCP35X
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpu1.html
Yate Loon D12SH-12 High Speed or Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/scge120mmsic2.html
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/yalo12d1hisp.html
2x aquagraFX for GTX 580 or Watecool HEATKILLER GPU-X³ GTX 570 / 580
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/wahegpgtx5701.html
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcoaqforgtx1.html
Aqua Compuer Cuplex Kryos XT
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcocukrxtfo.html
all of the blocks come copper or nickel plated ,avoid the MB block and the single 35X will have no problem pushing through them ,all this products are top notch you can get better quality RAD's but i'm trying to balance $,get good quality 30W fan controller and you will be rolling in no time :whistle: 
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June 23, 2011 1:38:29 PM

Awesome!

I am already in the process of assembling the product list for purchase; for clarification purposes it is my understanding that I will require:
1 X Pedestal (I wasn't aware of these brands :o )
2 X Swiftech MCR320-QP
6 X Scythe - required for the MCR320, correct? (I'm quite fond of the Scythe over the Yate)
2 X Watercool heat killer
Aqua Computer Cuplex Kryos KT.

I will be utilizing both 360's but replacing items with whats listed above accordingly?
I was wondering if you had any recommendations on Dual/Triple SLI adapters for the water cool configurations (that is if any are needed at all)
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a b K Overclocking
June 23, 2011 3:18:39 PM

AuronX said:
Awesome!

I am already in the process of assembling the product list for purchase; for clarification purposes it is my understanding that I will require:
1 X Pedestal (I wasn't aware of these brands :o )
2 X Swiftech MCR320-QP
6 X Scythe - required for the MCR320, correct? (I'm quite fond of the Scythe over the Yate)
2 X Watercool heat killer
Aqua Computer Cuplex Kryos KT.

I will be utilizing both 360's but replacing items with whats listed above accordingly?
I was wondering if you had any recommendations on Dual/Triple SLI adapters for the water cool configurations (that is if any are needed at all)


you need 8x Scythe..6 for the RADs intake and 2 for exhaust,Aquatuning have the best price
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p6624_Sc...

both AuqaGrafix and Watercool have sweet SLI bridges
make sure you have correct slot spacing



here is home made pedestal..it will give you some ideas
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?2694...!/page2

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a b K Overclocking
June 23, 2011 3:49:46 PM

I just check the dimensions
your case ;


Dimensions(L x W x H) 25.11" x 9.84" x 21.10"

(remove top plastic bezel and see if you could mount one of them on top of your case)
pedestal triple;
9x9x18

quad pedestal:
Dimensions - 9x9x24

http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p6133_ra...

here is another option
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p9845_Wa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxRndIWFus&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4rDF69S9mk

good luck :whistle: 
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June 27, 2011 9:38:21 AM

Best answer selected by AuronX.
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June 27, 2011 9:38:59 AM

Thank you so much, sir! :D 

I will provide pictures when all is said and done!
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