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TerminatorXT   07-15-2009 at 09:18:33 PM

As many of you know DX11 has been released yet no cards supporting DX11 are currently on the market
DX9 to DX10 was an major improvement, but will DX10 to DX11 be the same thing?

I currently have a GTX 295 paired up with a Q6600 at stock speeds
I will get Intel i9 (Gulftown) 6 core when it comes out hopefully
when that happens should I ditch my GTX 295, and get a new card?

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xc0mmiex   07-15-2009 at 09:23:24 PM
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unfortunately.... we don't know... a lot of people are stuck in such position including me... not many games support dx11(i think the wiki list only 3)... personally i hope it doesn't make a big difference so we can save some cash on upgrading hardware all over again.

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japps2   07-15-2009 at 10:20:17 PM
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honestly I think there are too many unknown factors. DX10 hasn't really taken off because there are still a ton of gamers on XP who have no intention of switching up to Vista/Win 7. Games go where the market is...if everyone switched over to Win 7 and DX11...then about a year leter you could see games come out utilizing DX11. But considering that DX10 games are just now coming out...with most DX9 backward compatible...and DX10 has been out for 2 1/2 years...it might be 2 years before you see DX11 games really using it.

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4745454b   07-15-2009 at 10:31:41 PM
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DX9 to DX10 was an major improvement



Perhaps now, but it wasn't then. DX10 came out and nearly no one liked it. Didn't look any different from DX9, but the frame rates were lower. We've changed that, but only recently.

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ct1615   07-15-2009 at 10:36:51 PM
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this exact same question is posted 10 threads below this, why re-post the same question?

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4745454b   07-15-2009 at 11:02:39 PM
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There's a forum search?

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Anonymous   07-15-2009 at 11:10:53 PM
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this is the same *** that people was talking about dx 10. nothing new was happen many developers still use dx 9 like. 2 years from now we will wait to see some good dx 11 games. i think that second generation of dx 11 cards is what wee need to look for just like gt 200 series.

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BoBzzz   07-15-2009 at 11:26:29 PM
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I'd also recommend you stop running your Q6600 at stock speeds :pt1cable:

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Pailin   07-15-2009 at 11:43:27 PM
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Things are looking a Lot better for Windows 7 take up than Vista ever was:

"Amazon (UK I think) said that sales of Windows 7 in the first eight hours it was available outstripped those of Windows Vista's entire 17 week pre-order period."

People see it as an excuse to upgrade to go 64bit for more RAM and also DX11 for all us XP users

I just bought my copy today and next Gen card is my next buy as soon as I can ^^

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TerminatorXT   07-16-2009 at 07:07:28 AM
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BoBzzz wrote :

I'd also recommend you stop running your Q6600 at stock speeds :pt1cable:



I know overclocking isn't rocket science, but I tried Overclocking to 2.7 GHZ but failed terribly

I have the asus striker II extreme, and Q6600 B3 version with Stock HSF

------------------------------ Asus Striker II Extreme (Ultra 790i Chipset) | Q6600 @ 3.1GHZ | 4GB DDR3-1425 | GTX 295 | 1TB WDB Hard Drive, +1.2TB | 1000 Watt Power Supply | Corsair H50 CPU Liquid Cooling | Antec 1200 Gamer Case | Logitech G15 | Razer Mamba | P20348 3DMarkVantage
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4745454b   07-16-2009 at 08:07:33 AM
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Its probably because of the extreme motherboard you have. Advanced motherboards have tons of options so you can get high overclocks. Some bios setting got flipped, and you need to find out which one. I had this problem with my old A8R-MVP board. I was early in my OCer career, and I wasn't so sure of myself.

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TerminatorXT   07-16-2009 at 08:11:24 AM
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4745454b wrote :

Its probably because of the extreme motherboard you have. Advanced motherboards have tons of options so you can get high overclocks. Some bios setting got flipped, and you need to find out which one. I had this problem with my old A8R-MVP board. I was early in my OCer career, and I wasn't so sure of myself.



I'm not sure of myself either, last overclock, Boot was quick everything looked fine for 1 second

and then EVERY single program started flickering on and off

my friend said I needed to up my voltage? is that true

------------------------------ Asus Striker II Extreme (Ultra 790i Chipset) | Q6600 @ 3.1GHZ | 4GB DDR3-1425 | GTX 295 | 1TB WDB Hard Drive, +1.2TB | 1000 Watt Power Supply | Corsair H50 CPU Liquid Cooling | Antec 1200 Gamer Case | Logitech G15 | Razer Mamba | P20348 3DMarkVantage
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4745454b   07-16-2009 at 10:10:37 AM
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Without knowing your settings, I could only guess.

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gamerk316   07-16-2009 at 01:40:01 PM
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For the last time people, software companies won't be dropping DX9 support anytime soon, as XP is still supported and the dominant OS on the market. Even when XP fades away, most of the market will still be using DX10 era hardware.

In about a year, I expect to see DX10 exclusive titles (assuming XP drops to around 20% share by then on the OS market, if not, this could take longer). A year after that is when you will start to see the first DX11 exclusives.

Fact is, everything that will be realeased will be built on DX9 for at least another year. Figure that in two years, DX11 will be the standard. Until then, the current hardware should be fine.

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Pailin   07-16-2009 at 01:59:06 PM
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TerminatorXT - also check your RAM voltages are right for your RAM.
My Asus P5K Premium defaulted to 1.8 volts although my RAM's default was 2.1volts (a little higher than normal)

Once I started playing with my system this problem became evident.

Most RAM should be at 1.8v I believe

Incidently at 3GHz I run my Q6600 with 1.2vcore
Heading up to 3.6GHz I need to up this to 1.38vcore -- but need Good Cooling at this speed

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4745454b   07-16-2009 at 04:26:49 PM
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1.8V is the JEDEC standard for what DDR2 voltage should run at. Nearly all the memory with tight timings runs at either 2.0 or 2.1. (I've seen a few sticks that will do 1.9, but they are rare.) If you bought ram that was DDR2-1066 or had 4-4-4-12 timings, odds are good that you need 2.0v. This is why I said without knowing the settings I could only guess. There are many reasons why overclocks aren't stable, its like picking a card from a deck.

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