I am building a microATX gaming rig for under $700. I plan to purchase materials by around the end of July (so about one month, give or take). I need help choosing a good case and PSU though. I am aware cooling won't be great to begin with... but which cases are better for gaming applications? Also, which PSU's will be worthwhile? How much power do I need? 500w? 600w?
I plan to put in a quad-core AMD and a Radeon 4870 or 4890... I am still debating weather or not I should get a board with 1 or 2 PCI Express 2.0 slots so upgrades are easier.
I would be willing to spend around $200 on the case, PSU, and CD/DVD drive. I would need a pretty good reason to spend over that though : )
EDIT: There is a build later on in the thread; another updated build will be posted today (July 2nd).
Message edited by ImTheBawz on 07-02-2009 at 06:58:47 PM
Proximons antec mini suggestion is a good case but its actually bigger than may mid tower cases.
Have you read the $1300 system builder marathon ?
They used a silverstone tj08 and SLI'ed 2 gtx 260's in an i7 mb and the thing ran way too hot .
I have a tj08 , an overclocked c2d and a 4850 and it runs really cool .I managed to fit a Scythe ninja in and hardly ever see cpu temps over 35C, GFX temps are low too . Right now CCC is reporting 20C at idle with 20% fan speed [ its winter here and a bit cool in the room ]
M-atx cases can cool better than bigger tower cases because the reduced internal volume means higher average air speeds IF the case has the same number of fans .
You also need to very careful that you have space for air flow. The sli option in the system builder pc restricted air flow too much , and the PSU was the wrong configuration . B4 you go further have a look for that article because they did fall into some traps you want to avoid .
Message edited by Outlander_04 on 06-30-2009 at 11:50:38 PM
For crossfire 4890s you will need at least a good 750W, so you need to decide first what your plans are.
You also need to be clear about your case needs. Are you looking for something small? How small?
I am looking for a case that can fit most graphics cards snugly, even if that involves removing drive cages (which I expect it to). I am leaning towards having dual cards in crossfire, so it will probably need a nice amount for fans... as for size, a comment on your link for the antec case sums it up:
"Also, as another review pointed out, this is a very BIG "micro" ATX case. The whole reason I had gone with a uATX system was for size, but I didn't look at the dimensions before buying it, so that's really my fault, not Antec's."
I am choosing to make a MicroATX case because I want it to be portable, but it would be redundant to buy a case that is as large as a normal ATX one, even if it makes putting components in easier (I would say the case you linked is the largest I would like)
I built a setup for my brother a few months ago with the Sugo SG01-BW which can take cards up to 9.5" (which includes the single gpu radeons but not most nvidia cards without removing the HD cage). I really like the setup of it even tho it was a little heavier than I would of guessed. Here is a link to the steel version of it. But with any small case I would go for a modular PS because wire management can become a real problem (I used a Seasonic 430w).
Here are a few pics of it with a HD 3870 installed.
Message edited by Ancient_1 on 07-01-2009 at 03:34:58 AM
I have a good idea as to what case now... which will be in a posted build tomorrow.
For now, what PSU do you think I should get. It should be modular FOR SURE... cable management would be awful with all the excess cables, let alone while being crammed into a smaller package.
I am making a build right now, and of course the timing isn't great since all of the promos are different...
Either way, I will have a draft pretty soon, so stay tuned.
The updated base build is below, on my next post! Please critique!
Message edited by ImTheBawz on 07-01-2009 at 11:56:40 PM
The Silverstone TJ08 is pretty much the same case as the Cooler Master Elite 340 (which is discontinued on newegg, but still available if you google a bit), but with a different front bezel and a more "creative" price tag.
Message edited by Swivelguy on 07-01-2009 at 09:42:07 PM
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817182044 , Rosewill Stallion Series RD500-2DB 500W ATX12V Power Supply. $39.99, Free Shipping. I made a rookie mistake here - I searched under "Modular" at newegg and assumed this one was modular, but it somehow got into the search even though it ISN'T modular... I am looking for a replacement at the moment.
Being $10 over-budget to have what I have is fine with me!
Here is what I like about this build: The processor is an OC-able 3.0GHz QUAD CORE! The GPU is an OC-able 4890, which is enough graphics for me, given this is a $700 build. I have 4GB of good RAM. A 500W PSU should be enough to juice the machine (although I will probably not be able to add much more), and it is modular for much easier cable management. The case is superb, with excellent reviews all around, and is not only good looking, but has many nice touches (easy-removable HD cages and motherboard tray, for example).
Here is what I don't like: The PSU isn't exactly great, and I would rather have a better brand (Ironically, from what I saw in reviews, many people think it runs pretty well, however). The motherboard is an open box item, which, although it gives me a pretty nice price cut, makes the item a small gamble, since I can't return it. I REALLY wanted an aftermarket cooler, but given this is a MicroATX case, I knew that I won't be able to overclock much anyhow, so I determined that spending the cost of the cooler on a better processor was a better idea than getting a less powerful CPU and overclocking that (and thus increasing heat). The motherboard has only 1 PCI Express 2.0 X16 slot, which means upgrades are limited to swapping out the graphics card, although the PSU limits the rig to one card anyhow.
So what do you guys think? I myself believe it is pretty good, but I also think there could be better! I would love some input on how I can improve upon this "base", or how I can eliminate some of the cons associated with it.
EDIT: The PSU change is below
EDIT 2: A new build will be posted today (June 2), I will update this post and the thread once it is posted.
Message edited by ImTheBawz on 07-02-2009 at 06:22:35 PM
On the PSU, I realize you have every reason to think an OCZ is a fine PSU, but this is not actually set in stone. This unit has never been reviewed by a quality site, just one European review by someone with a voltmeter. Experts think, based on pictures of the interior, that it was made by an inferior OEM. It's larger sibling, the 700W, Is decent and made by someone else.
I should have expected for this to happen earlier, but the Open Box motherboard is out of stock now, so I need to find a replacement. I can spend around $20 more than what I had previous (so $78 and below)... any suggestions?