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July 22, 2009 12:24:51 PM

Hi guys, first off I'm currently running
q6600
evga 750i
4gb ram
22inch monitor @ 1650 x 1050 Res
8800gt overclocked.


I need some opinions for the following options. I have a friend who has a 8800gt and I was thinking of buying it off him ($100 CAD) so I can SLI my rig BUT he also wouldn't mind buying mine for the same price so that he can SLI! Should I buy his 8800gt or sell my 8800gt ($100 CAD). If i do sell my 8800gt what card should I get, I'm willing to spend about $200 after selling my 8800gt.

Another thing is, my friend's younger brother has a 9800gt, so I was thinking, He can sell me his 8800gt for $100 (CAD) and with it buy a 9800gt and grab his brother's 9800gt so he can SLI, and buy his brother a $100 card? We'll both end up spending $100 each and able to SLI?

I read that 8800gt/9800gt SLI can trade blows with a 4890, Tho the 4890 has 1g ram, it wouldn't matter because of my Res being @ 1650x1050, right?


Opinions please!!

Thanks

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July 22, 2009 12:37:22 PM

Better go for sli if u can find one 8800GT as it is the cheapest and best possible option for that resolution.

a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 1:05:01 PM

You have so many options and they all look good. My only concern is the pricing as $100 seems quite high for a used 8800GT (south of your border anyway). What does a new GTS 250 go for? GTX 260? 275? HD 4890?. If you could get a GTX 275 or HD 4890 for about $200, then IMO that would be a better route. I'd likely stay NVidia since you have an SLI mobo. A GTX 260 now (and maybe a second later) would also be a nice option and hopefully save money. If you could OC your Q6600 that system has a lot of game left in it.

I've been happily gaming on a 3.0GHz Q6600 and 8800GT SLI for 1.5 years now. For the most part it has been great. Played through Crysis at 16x10 DX9 all high and even with 2xaa when OC'ed. I did suffer annoying microstutter in NFS: Prostreet and the occasional non working SLI in a new demo. No major complaints though, in general scaling has been great at 16x10 with AA. I'll give a thumbs up for 8800GT SLI if the price/cost is in line.
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July 22, 2009 2:16:05 PM

Thanks for the opinion guys!

pauldh, the g260 is about $200, 4890 sitting around $230-240, GTS 250 at about $160-170 and the 275 is about $260.

The 4890 does look like a good option but I'm just not sure if it is consider overkill for my resolution.

Do you think I can ride 8800gt SLI until late DX11 cards? Like 2nd gen DX11 cards
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 2:26:08 PM

8800GTs SLi is a great option (what I run!!) They will tear up everything you throw at them in that resolution - even DX10 Crysis (Very High but no AA!). Only game so far you would need >512Mb @1680x1050 for is GTA4, but only to enable high textures. So if the extra GT seems cheap enough then go for it. A GTX260 wouldn't be quite as good as the GTs SLi'd, but would give you the future upgrade path, however you may want to check your PSU if you go for two 260s in the future as they would pull more than the GTs.
a c 273 U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 2:29:28 PM

murdalicious said:
Do you think I can ride 8800gt SLI until late DX11 cards? Like 2nd gen DX11 cards

I intend to, so far it seems to be going OK as all games run smoothly thus the desire to upgrade can be suppressed.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 5:48:43 PM

At those prices 8800GT SLI looks like a good option. As long as you are happy tweaking down some settings, the pair should keep on gaming for quite a while.


edit: What PSU do you have? max combined +12V? A 550W Antec TP3 with 41A 12V has been powering my setup fine, with the Q6600 OC'ed up to 3.2GHz at times, two HDD's, and two optical drives.
July 22, 2009 6:20:15 PM

I think 8800GT SLI suck a lot of d*ck.
July 22, 2009 7:10:02 PM

pauldh said:
At those prices 8800GT SLI looks like a good option. As long as you are happy tweaking down some settings, the pair should keep on gaming for quite a while.


edit: What PSU do you have? max combined +12V? A 550W Antec TP3 with 41A 12V has been powering my setup fine, with the Q6600 OC'ed up to 3.2GHz at times, two HDD's, and two optical drives.



I have a Zalman ZM750 Power Supply, I'm hoping that will do the trick? Not sure if its +12V
July 22, 2009 7:12:11 PM

Hey Pauldh, if you are facing the microstuttering issue, its more likely because of the processor and not due to the SLI. Start the game and set the affinity of the process (game's process - I think its speed.exe, but I am not sure) to two cores. It removed microstuttering in my game. My specs in signature.

Also, to the OP, I think you shoud sell the 8800GT and get a new 260. It performs same or better than the 8800GT SLi and has more RAM if you need it in future. According to my calculations, you will have to spend the same money for any option. Also, by going thru the 260 route, you take care of overheating problems and all the microstuttering problems that comes with SLI in general sometimes and of course you save some power too, not much only some, but still. Plus, you might be able to pick up a free copy of a game with a new 260.......
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 7:14:12 PM

murdalicious said:
I have a Zalman ZM750 Power Supply, I'm hoping that will do the trick? Not sure if its +12V

You'll be more than fine. Likely it's 60A.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 7:24:20 PM

WoW 100.00$ for an outdated card.... IMO that aint a friend..lol...I would not shell out more than 50.00$ for an 8800GT specially if its used.....you can get a new 9800GTX for under 100.00$ NEW....

ohh and forgot... if you buy it from BFG you will have a lifetime warranty.....makes it even sweeter :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 7:40:43 PM

+1 ovrclkr
July 22, 2009 7:47:12 PM

OvrClkr said:
WoW 100.00$ for an outdated card.... IMO that aint a friend..lol...I would not shell out more than 50.00$ for an 8800GT specially if its used.....you can get a new 9800GTX for under 100.00$ NEW....


Actually you are right, but the situation is different because my friend doesn't know anything about computers and I was the one who put together his computer. I offered $100 because I didn't want him to lose out, If i offered $50 and he sells it, he would have a computer without a videocard, and what can $50 (CAD) buy him? close to nothing. I was thinking in the terms of value, if $100 (CAD, flat) can put me on par with the newer generation cards like the 4890 (I think Anandtech had a chart showing 8800gt sli was close to a 4890), it doesn't sound to shabby. If i buy a 9800gtx, I wouldn't have another one to SLI and by itself its barely an improvement to my 8800gt oced... so I don't see the point. I'm not concerned about his used 8800gt because he had it for about a year only and he didn't overclock it himself, so it should be in good shape?

All in all I just wanted to know if its worth $100 for an extra 8800gt factory oced or sell it to him and buy a newer generation card. I will spending $200 max after I sell the card.


Thanks for all the help guys!
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 8:14:47 PM

I understand, but......

1. Dual 8800GT's are not the equivalent of a 4890 nor can they be compared...maybe when they said "close" to a 4890 they might have refered to fps...but as far as overall performance the 4890 would eat both 8800's for lunch in a heartbeat.

2. A 9800GTX is alot more card than 8800GT IMO... If we were comparing an 8800GTX to a 9800GTX that would be another story.

3. As far as your buddy, I understand completely.....

4. If i were you id sell the 8800GT to your buddy(100.00$CAD) and buy a new card..Maybe a 250 or a 260 and then sli later on...

5. Have you tried borowing the card from your buddy and running both 8800GT's on your comp? Maybe you should do that first and see if it fits your needs.
July 22, 2009 8:46:04 PM

OvrClkr said:
I understand, but......

1. Dual 8800GT's are not the equivalent of a 4890 nor can they be compared...maybe when they said "close" to a 4890 they might have refered to fps...but as far as overall performance the 4890 would eat both 8800's for lunch in a heartbeat.

2. A 9800GTX is alot more card than 8800GT IMO... If we were comparing an 8800GTX to a 9800GTX that would be another story.

3. As far as your buddy, I understand completely.....

4. If i were you id sell the 8800GT to your buddy(100.00$CAD) and buy a new card..Maybe a 250 or a 260 and then sli later on...

5. Have you tried borowing the card from your buddy and running both 8800GT's on your comp? Maybe you should do that first and see if it fits your needs.



Hmmm I guess borrowing his 8800gt is a start. Wouldn't a 4890 be overkill @ 1650x1050 res?
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 9:01:37 PM

Yes try Dual 8800Gt's and you might be surprised!!!

As far as the 4890, it is not overkill at that res, specially if you compare it to a single 8800GT...it will be a true night and day difference......
July 22, 2009 9:12:19 PM

I love my 8800gt and my monitor is 1920x1200! I could get better performance from a gtx260/275 but I dont think that it is worth upgrading quite yet. Games still run pretty decently on the old 8800gt, that is w/o aa....... I dont see this generation of cards worth upgrading to from the 8/9 series (definitely next gen tho).

IF you cant wait that long, I would suggest picking up a gtx 260
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 9:22:35 PM

If you could not get better performance going from a 8800GT to a 275 then it is obvious you are doing something wrong... if you had said 1280x1024 then yes i would agree, but anything higher than that you should see a big difference. I went from testing a single 250 to a single 275 and it was a big difference for me at 1650x1050 res.....Maybe you are bottlnecking somewhere.. who knows....
July 22, 2009 9:34:12 PM

^reread my post, I have never had a 275 in my system, it was a hypothetical statment. i COULD get better performance with x.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 9:36:39 PM

ooooopss lol my bad....sry for not paying attention!!!!!!
July 22, 2009 9:41:36 PM

lol it happens.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 9:59:08 PM

OvrClkr said:
I understand, but......

1. Dual 8800GT's are not the equivalent of a 4890 nor can they be compared...maybe when they said "close" to a 4890 they might have refered to fps...but as far as overall performance the 4890 would eat both 8800's for lunch in a heartbeat.

Eat them for dinner? Check out 8800GT SLI vs. a GTX 280 in this comparison. At 1600x1200 SLI 8800GT pretty much swept the GTX 280. http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334&p=11

a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 10:04:26 PM

Yea but you are comparing apples to oranges... Its kinda hard to compare Nvidia vs. Nvidia as opposed to Nvidia vs. Ati.... and like I said as far as FPS goes it will be neck to neck in some instances... but FPS and overall performance are 2 different things. Ask yourself this... If you had to choose from dual 8800GT's or a single 280, what would you prefer?
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 10:32:42 PM

I pretty much did answer that up above when stating the GTX 275 would be a better route if priced about the same. Yes, I'd rather game on a GTX 275 or HD 4890. Shoot, I even suggested a GTX 260 (216) too, especially if it was the cheaper route.

So I'm not arguing against any of those single GPU's as a very good option. Just not crazy about his pricing of course. But IMO overall performance the 8800GT SLI combo (and slightly better 9800GX2) would trade blows with the HD4890/GTX 275 at 16x10 aa/af gaming. Not as consistent in all games, but they'd also take some wins in GPU limited situations.


It's getting harder and harder to find 8800GT SLI or the 9800GX2 is a review, but when included, they still do a good job against these bigger single GPU's until higher res/AA and amount of RAM comes into play. Look at the 9800GX2 at 16x10 or 16x10 AA/AF here:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/1108/i1108-video...

July 22, 2009 10:34:03 PM

Also, that benchmark is over a year old.....
ahh, the first one listed
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 10:34:33 PM

pauldh said:
I pretty much did answer that up above when stating the GTX 275 would be a better route if priced about the same. Yes, I'd rather game on a GTX 275 or HD 4890. Shoot, I even suggested a GTX 260 (216) too, especially if it was the cheaper route.

So I'm not arguing against any of those single GPU's as a very good option. Just not crazy about his pricing of course. But IMO overall performance the 8800GT SLI combo (and slightly better 9800GX2) would trade blows with the HD4890/GTX 275 at 16x10 aa/af gaming. Not as consistent in all games, but they'd also take some wins in GPU limited situations.


It's getting harder and harder to find 8800GT SLI or the 9800GX2 is a review, but when included, they still do a good job against these bigger single GPU's until higher res/AA and amount of RAM comes into play. Look at the 9800GX2 at 16x10 or 16x10 AA/AF here:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/1108/i1108-video...


Very well said, I agree 100% with you....
July 22, 2009 10:41:10 PM

Alittle off-topic

Can you SLI a 9800gt and a 8800gt?
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 10:47:14 PM

Just in case you haven't seen this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gts25...

1GB 250's, but SLI scaling is pretty amazing across a huge number of games. If not for negative scaling in HAWX, it would have been a 15 game sweep for the 250's vs a GTX 285 in all but 26x16 res. (see conclusion)
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 11:00:11 PM

pauldh said:
Just in case you haven't seen this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gts25...

1GB 250's, but SLI scaling is pretty amazing across a huge number of games. If not for negative scaling in HAWX, it would have been a 15 game sweep for the 250's vs a GTX 285 in all but 26x16 res. (see conclusion)



Nice article, that's exactly what i am running at this moment.....
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 11:11:26 PM

Snowbum said:
Alittle off-topic

Can you SLI a 9800gt and a 8800gt?

AFAIK, it will not work without a BIOS flash on one of them. (flash the 8800GT to a compatible 9800GT BIOS) Have read success stories of people doing this, but personally never tried it. Unless you have both already, it seems far better just to buy a new/used compatible card for SLI.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 11:15:45 PM

OvrClkr said:
Nice article, that's exactly what i am running at this moment.....

That was one of the reasons for the link. ;)  It's a potent combo for sure.

The other reason was just to show off more current scaling of SLI vs. the older review links above.
a b U Graphics card
July 22, 2009 11:17:10 PM

Nice!!!! makes me want to play more n more games!!!!
July 23, 2009 4:47:01 AM

Thanks for all the links!! I think its clear that there are many good options I can take at this point, but probably wouldn't go with ATI only because I have a SLI motherboard. Hmmm SLI 250 looking pretty sweet.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 4:55:34 AM

For 129.99 a pop (1GB) its a sweet buy.....
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 5:12:47 AM

bpogdowz said:
I think 8800GT SLI suck a lot of d*ck.

Troll much?
pauldh said:
You'll be more than fine. Likely it's 60A.

Yeh, I have the ZM750 and it is great. It has 4x12v rails with 20amps each, with a combined output of 60amps.

OvrClkr said:
I understand, but......
1. Dual 8800GT's are not the equivalent of a 4890 nor can they be compared...maybe when they said "close" to a 4890 they might have refered to fps...but as far as overall performance the 4890 would eat both 8800's for lunch in a heartbeat.


Two 8800GTs would be better than a 4890. You can't compare them directly but you can compare benchmarks.

2x8800GTs almost equal a GTX280 in performance. A GTX280 is equal to or slightly better than a GTX275, which is very similar to or slightly better than a 4890 in most games.

Thus, 2x8800GTs are equal to or slightly better than an ATI 4890.

OvrClkr said:
Ask yourself this... If you had to choose from dual 8800GT's or a single 280, what would you prefer?

I would choose two 8800GTs mainly because it's more performance for the money.
They would cost me $200, as opposed to ~$300 for a single GTX280, and get me equal or superior performance.
The only drawback is you need an SLi mobo.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 5:20:41 AM

pauldh said:
Just in case you haven't seen this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gts25...

1GB 250's, but SLI scaling is pretty amazing across a huge number of games. If not for negative scaling in HAWX, it would have been a 15 game sweep for the 250's vs a GTX 285 in all but 26x16 res. (see conclusion)



Yep, you can get a GTS250 for ~$100 nowadays, a real bargin

OvrClkr said:
Nice article, that's exactly what i am running at this moment.....


Nice. I had two GTX+s in Sli to play Crysis @ Ultra High mod, but the 4 PCi-e connectors was a real pain in terms of cable management. With less power consumption and 1 less cable each, the GTS250 is what the 9800GTX/GTX+ should've been all along.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 5:39:44 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
Troll much?

Yeh, I have the ZM750 and it is great. It has 4x12v rails with 20amps each, with a combined output of 60amps.



Two 8800GTs would be better than a 4890. You can't compare them directly but you can compare benchmarks.

2x8800GTs almost equal a GTX280 in performance. A GTX280 is equal to or slightly better than a GTX275, which is very similar to or slightly better than a 4890 in most games.

Thus, 2x8800GTs are equal to or slightly better than an ATI 4890.


I would choose two 8800GTs mainly because it's more performance for the money.
They would cost me $200, as opposed to ~$300 for a single GTX280, and get me equal or superior performance.
The only drawback is you need an SLi mobo.



I agree with you to an extent but the 8800's are almost obsolete now at days and will not run as well as current GPU's specially now that DX11 is around the corner. I did not say what would you rather spend your money on, I asked what would you prefer.... Having an SLI mobo does not change the perspective, even though you say they are faster than a 280. IMO a 280 is better than dual 8800GT's not because of the performance, but because the 8800Gt's are low end cards that will soon lose driver support and then what? Of course everyone has their own opinions and i respect that.... The same thing is happening with the 9800GX2's, a video card life depends on driver support. Once that is gone there is not much use to them.....
July 23, 2009 5:51:31 AM

Geforce 5 fx series still has driver support
&
No cards out right now will run dx11

a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 5:56:34 AM

OvrClkr said:
I agree with you to an extent but the 8800's are almost obsolete now at days and will not run as well as current GPU's specially now that DX11 is around the corner. I did not say what would you rather spend your money on, I asked what would you prefer.... Having an SLI mobo does not change the perspective, even though you say they are faster than a 280. IMO a 280 is better than dual 8800GT's not because of the performance, but because the 8800Gt's are low end cards that will soon lose driver support and then what? Of course everyone has their own opinions and i respect that.... The same thing is happening with the 9800GX2's, a video card life depends on driver support. Once that is gone there is not much use to them.....


8800GT isn't exactly a low end card. It's an upper mid-tier card based on the great G92 architecture.
It can pretty much play any game except Crysis on max. In any case, it's better than the 9400GT, 9500GT, 9600GSO, 9600GT, 4650, 4670, etc that came out recently.

I'm planning on getting one for my 2ndary rig.


As for drivers, you don't need the most up to date drivers to play a game. I am using a 7600GT that came out years ago to play Oblivion and Fallout 3 at medium-high, and it runs great.

The 8800GT probably can use the 9800GT driver since they're pretty much the same thing.
The same goes for the GTX280, which has been replaced by the 285.

And as snowburn said, drivers will be supported for years to come, and no current ATI or Nvidia card can actually run DX11 yet.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 5:58:12 AM

I didn't say there weren't any drivers out for old cards, what i meant is that Nvidia and Ati give priority to what is current. They normally leave old hardware on the back burner due to upcoming hardware and software (drivers). I have an old 5FX series card as well but the current driver that is out is not supported for Vista, so what good is the card if when i play a game I get artifacts or lag....Capiche?
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:02:55 AM

OvrClkr said:
I didn't say there weren't any drivers out for old cards, what i meant is that Nvidia and Ati give priority to what is current. They normally leave old hardware on the back burner due to upcoming hardware and software (drivers). I have an old 5FX series card as well but the current driver that is out is not supported for Vista, so what good is the card if when i play a game I get artifacts or lag....Capiche?


The 8800GT is only 1/2 or barely 1 generation apart from the 4890.

8800GT/9800GT is a G92 card, it will support Vista, XP, and Windows 7 when it comes out. The GTS250 still uses the G92 core, so those cards will be supported as much as the GTX200 series or ATI 4x00 series.

As for artifact or lagging...games come out every year that get better and better. By the time dual 8800GTs start lagging in games, so will the 4890.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:12:13 AM

The 8800GT is almost 3 years old, the 4890 just barely came out, how can you compare both when the release dates are so far apart? G92 has nothing to do with the DX coding. Once Win 7 and DX11 come out they will have limited support and then it will be time for an upgrade. And again it is like comparing apples to oranges ex: you can compare an 8800 to a 1600XT but not an 8800 to a 4890.....
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:20:41 AM

OvrClkr said:
The 8800GT is almost 3 years old, the 4890 just barely came out, how can you compare both when the release dates are so far apart? G92 has nothing to do with the DX coding. Once Win 7 and DX11 come out they will have limited support and then it will be time for an upgrade. And again it is like comparing apples to oranges ex: you can compare an 8800 to a 1600XT but not an 8800 to a 4890.....



It doesn't matter how old the 8800GT is, because Nvidia has rebranded it into the 9800GT and has revived the G92 core. This means the drivers for the 8800GT will be up to date since it's pretty much the same drivers for the 9x00 series which came out last year, and are still being well supported today in the form of the 9800 and GTS250.


http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_190.38_whql.html

The most recent driver for Nvidia is 190.38 - It contains new drivers from GTX200 series all the way back to the 6x00 series. So even 6x00 cards are still being supported...even that will run Windows 7


As for saying it will be upgrade time when DX11 comes out, it's equally pointless to get a 4890 since that won't support DX11 either.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:29:50 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
It doesn't matter how old the 8800GT is, because Nvidia has rebranded it into the 9800GT and has revived the G92 core. This means the drivers for the 8800GT will be up to date since it's pretty much the same drivers for the 9x00 series which came out last year, and are still being well supported today in the form of the 9800 and GTS250.


http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_190.38_whql.html

The most recent driver for Nvidia is 190.38 - It contains new drivers from GTX200 series all the way back to the 6x00 series. So even 6x00 cards are still being supported...even that will run Windows 7


As for saying it will be upgrade time when DX11 comes out, it's equally pointless to get a 4890 since that won't support DX11 either.


Ok either I am confused or not understanding what you are explaining here, im sorry I guess I am mixing up 2 threads here. I have one guy telling me that his 8800GT is not DX11 compatible while another guy is telling me the opposite of what you are explaining....Super confused here....
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:32:47 AM

Your reasoning about helping out your buddy out brought a tear to me eye. :) 

Go for it, mate, dual 8800gts will be more than enough.
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:34:45 AM

OvrClkr said:
Ok either I am confused or not understanding what you are explaining here, im sorry I guess I am mixing up 2 threads here. I have one guy telling me that his 8800GT is not DX11 compatible while another guy is telling me the opposite of what you are explaining....Super confused here....


ye I think I kinda got lost in the discussion too. I think it was someone else who brought up the 4890 thing or the other part.

cobot said:
Your reasoning about helping out your buddy out brought a tear to me eye. :) 
Go for it, mate, dual 8800gts will be more than enough.


lol

a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:38:55 AM

Bluescreen you are absolutely right and pay no attention to what I posted.... sorry, its late and trying to help 3 peeps at the same time while typing this nonsense made me even more confused.....lol....for some reason i jumped to one subject that had nothing to do with the thread and then i was trying to correct someone and ended up typing something that made no sense at all... wow.. talk about jiberish.... been here today since 9am and now its 1:38am the following day.....
a b U Graphics card
July 23, 2009 6:42:26 AM

lol, same. 2:41 AM here...I can barely keep my eyes open but can't sleep due to insomnia from too much caffeine.

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