hi guys,i'm currently new here
recently i bought Phenom 2 X3 720BE...i understand that this CPU has a secret core,which can be unlocked thru some tweaking...
i had a few question regarding above matter :
1. Does unlocking your 4th core (this case, 720BE) is the same as OC?IF it doesn't, wil unlocking 4th core decreasing my cpu lifetime as if we OC-ing?
2. If i fail (m/b doesn't support) thru the process, will it damage any particular h/w on my PC??especially my CPU...
3. What happens if i fail??does it make your CPU un-bootable,stuck or any common issues?
4. If number 3 happens, what can i do torestore my computer (CPU) to it's default state??
i'm sorry if i had a lot of questions,hehehehehe...please help me guys
PS : sorry for my bad english, i'm Indonesian,nice to know u all guys
| lokee wrote : hi guys,i'm currently new here |
If you want a quad-core, buy a quad-core. The forth core usually has SOMETHING wrong with it when they disable it. It could hinder your overclock. It could even make your system unstable at stock speed. Or, it might just corrupt data, a few bits at a time, until everything on your hard drive is junk. You just never know.
| Crashman wrote : If you want a quad-core, buy a quad-core. The forth core usually has SOMETHING wrong with it when they disable it. It could hinder your overclock. It could even make your system unstable at stock speed. Or, it might just corrupt data, a few bits at a time, until everything on your hard drive is junk. You just never know. |
i understand that the 4th core was a defective..i just thought that i might have other options instead of OC-ing it...
for a daily usage,if i OC the 720be,say about 3.6GHz,how long does my cpu will last until it can't be used??1-3 years??or perhaps shorter??
what cooler do u recommend to replace it's stock cooler for $20-$30??
one more thing,if i planed to OC to 3.6GHz,how much voltage should i raise to reach it's core stability??
my cpu vcore : min 1.14V and max 1.23V
| lokee wrote : i understand that the 4th core was a defective..i just thought that i might have other options instead of OC-ing it...
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It depends on voltage and heat. If you keep the voltage below 1.45V and the temperatures below 65C I expect it to last at least 2 years.
| Crashman wrote : If you want a quad-core, buy a quad-core. The forth core usually has SOMETHING wrong with it when they disable it. It could hinder your overclock. It could even make your system unstable at stock speed. Or, it might just corrupt data, a few bits at a time, until everything on your hard drive is junk. You just never know. |
the fourth core is statistically defective, it doesn't means it is.
| Crashman wrote : It depends on voltage and heat. If you keep the voltage below 1.45V and the temperatures below 65C I expect it to last at least 2 years. |
okay...i think i'm beginning to see then point...thx a lot man
| Daggs wrote : the fourth core is statistically defective, it doesn't means it is. |
so it's not defective at all...if u were me,would u unlocked it rather than OC-ing it?
| lokee wrote : okay...i think i'm beginning to see then point...thx a lot man |
I didn't said that... there is a very good possibility that the fourth core in your cpu isn't 100% defective (e.g. AMD QA did not tested that cpu exactly).
I don't know alot about oc but I would have try to unlock the fourth core and see.
| Daggs wrote : I didn't said that... there is a very good possibility that the fourth core in your cpu isn't 100% defective (e.g. AMD QA did not tested that cpu exactly).
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hmmmm..i see..unlocking the 4th core doesnt change the multiplier on ur cpu right??
| lokee wrote : hi guys,i'm currently new here |
1: OC'ing and unlocking is a risk. Depending how much you OC will depend how much it gets affected. A small mild OC of ~15% will do little or nothing to the lifespan.
2: If you fail, just remove the power plug and the motherboard battery or clear the CMOS jumper on your motherboard and you'll be fine. That's all really.
| amdfangirl wrote : 1: OC'ing and unlocking is a risk. Depending how much you OC will depend how much it gets affected. A small mild OC of ~15% will do little or nothing to the lifespan.
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yesterday i tried to OC my cpu to 3.2GHz,it wnet smooth until i tested it with prime95..my system just reebot itself...
i'm currently using m/b biostar gf8100 with max TDP @ 95Watt...is it possible my m/b can't handle it??or is it just the core voltage that i should alter to reach it's core stability??
if u think the problem lies within the core voltage,how much should i raise the voltage to make the cpu stable??
one more thing, is there a certain number of voltage that a cpu could handle??
Prime 95 over stresses CPUs to beyond their normal loading.
It's good for testing stability, maybe add some more volts.
Keep in mind you have a 95W TDP motherboard and the Phenom II X4 810 is already 95W when not overclocked. Overclocking might raise it past it's power circuitry on the motherboard.
You can try to raise the core voltage in the BIOS, but not all motherboards have such a feature.
There is no certain voltage for every CPU, AMD K-6 CPUs ran with over 3v of power. For the 810 and your motherboard, I would not recommend overvolting past 1.37v.
| amdfangirl wrote : Prime 95 over stresses CPUs to beyond their normal loading.
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but i'm using phenom 2 x3 720be...or u just giving me the example??
if i'm using 720be, and my pc restart itself right after i turn on prime95 @3.2GHz,do u think i should raise it's core voltage??if yes,and my current cpu vcore is @ 1.14 (min) and 1.23 (max) ->i'm using HWmonitor,i should raise my cpu vcore to??
Everything being said here is too model specific...... lets put it in general english non tech jargon....... Life of computer components...... is dependent on the main factor which is heat..... it's like baking a cake.... too much for too long is going to fry it..... final result..... not good..... lol
When you unlock a hidden core...... do you know what you're doing???? it's turning a two way road into a four LANE two way road or 6 lanes two ways.... or finally 8 lanes two ways each..... Confused......???
Well thats the state you Mobo is going to be in if it wasn't designed for it..... if any one of the lanes has a little less data throughput...... it's going to get way to confusing for all those little components and traffic managers stuck on the Mobo..... result....... like a accident of the freeway..... one hitting another hitting many.... ultimately.... CRASH......
Come on.... a Ferrari is going to touch 220 on the street..... it going to look for chaos..... too much voltage and too little voltage... (POWER) is going to decrease the life of the processor..... 1.14 to 1.23 is not fine tuning..... 1.14 to 1.16 is fine tuning.... be very careful with the voltages..... better to use an Asus board..... it's more user friendly when it comes to OC'ing anything.....
Unlocking a core in not OCing..... it's simple UNlocking a core.....
OCing is when you manipulate the frequencies of calculations in any processors.... be it GPU's or CPU's..... no hardware unlocking .....
Although unlocking hardware limitations..... increase the OCing capacity of the components.... but results are varying and depend on the combination of Mobo's Processors, Rams GPU's and finally and most importantly cooling and voltage....
PC's restarting after running for a period of time is a direct result of two thing.... either or.... Voltage drop..... secondly Processor Heating up
Check Heat levels (you's using HWMonitor) of the CPU and GPU just before the crash..... LOG it if you don't know when it is going to happen and then check
if that is clear and within the 70 degree mark..... no problem there
Check the SMPS (PSU), use a multi meter or a fancy new gadget out there if you have a spare use that SMPS (PSU) and see if the crashing repeats.... if not the PSU you were using may not be sufficient to take the load of the Voltages required....
Not only does a CPU have a friendly voltage working range but all the components you put in do have them mentioned on the boxes.... pls read them very carefully.....
Just remember some damage is irreversible ...... so if you're not sure or then buying a computer was like buy a house....... don't do it...... if buy a comp was like buying a coke....... buy 5 different configs and try each one out..... post the results here for me too.....
PS: whats the point of testing a already OC'ed processor........???? Beats me..... if it's working fine after the OC then you have no problem , you did something right....... you need to use a benchmarking program to tell you the difference before , midway , after the OC........ and try one in the config when if crashes...... you'll know the limits of your system Immediately...
And what PSU are you using.....?????
| alyoshka wrote : Everything being said here is too model specific...... lets put it in general english non tech jargon....... Life of computer components...... is dependent on the main factor which is heat..... it's like baking a cake.... too much for too long is going to fry it..... final result..... not good..... lol
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i see...i think i'm beginning to see it more cleraly now,thx man
right now i'm using POV BlackDiamond 500W True Power...so far (before OC-ing), my rig turns out to be just fine...i'm using 4890 turbo (HIS)...
i'm just curious bout the OC world..and want to try a bit and yes...i'm not type of person who loves altering sumthin that might cause permanent damage to my h/w...so i think i'm gonna stick to my current state n enjoy more with it...if for some reason my cpu doesn't work well with my GPU, i think i'm just gonna replace it with higher product,hehehehehe...
thx again mate
| lokee wrote : but i'm using phenom 2 x3 720be...or u just giving me the example??
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Sorry, typo, I mention Phenom X3.
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