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Which to pick? 4870 512mb, 4850 512mb, 9800 GTX+512mb, 250 512mb

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July 24, 2009 6:16:13 PM

Currently my 8800 GTS 512mb is dying and i'm having a hard time choosing which one to replace this card. I'd like to choose by the end of today. I'm having a hard time choosing because in some reviews and benchmarks some are about the same but I'm still not sure. I'm even just thinking of buying just another 8800 gts but i'd like better fps but I think my processor holds me back.

I need opinions badly =/. I think I can just barely fit a 9.5 inch card.

My currently build is
Mobo - MSI K9A2 Platinum
Graphics - EVGA 8800 GTS 512mb
Processor - AMD Phenom 9500 2.2gHz
Memory - 4GB OCZ Platinum
Power - 600W Enermax Noisetaker
Case - Apevia X-Cruiser Mid tower


Evga 9800 GTX+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Evga 250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire 4850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire 4870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 24, 2009 8:03:32 PM

Well I don't think my parents will take very well to paying for a new processor as much as I think I need one. Not exactly sure I can get them to buy a video card and processor for me even if I say i'll pay for the processor.
But even if I were to buy a new processor I was thinking more along the lines of the Phenom 9950 black edition or the Phenom II X4 920

Nevertheless. Any other suggestions besides upgrading processor?
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 8:07:58 PM

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Your processor is going to choke them all. Upgrade both at the same time. X3 720 and a nice HD 4770

BTW - GTX+ and 250 are the same card


Oh come on... it is not a great cpu but it isnt going to choke the cards..... Try to be a little more definitive when you offer advice.

A 4870 is the clear winner as far as performance goes, if you play at 1920*1200 or so I'd go with that. Otherwise a 4850 will tide you over fine, though it won't be a huge upgrade over an 8800, but broken is broken i suppsoe :) 

The cpu will limit your fps a tad, specially at lower resolutions, but it won't be catastrophic. Realistically the 4850 is not a huge leap above the 8800gts, it won't be bottlenecked any worse.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 8:09:21 PM

you don't need to upgrade the CPU, its still serviceable. Get the 4870, I believe HIS makes one that is relatively short.
a c 236 U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 8:10:50 PM

daedalus685 said:
Oh come on... it is not a great cpu but it isnt going to choke the cards..... Try to be a little more definitive when you offer advice.



its so easy to spend other people's money ;) 

I just reply to idiots who state upgrade everything with "can i send the invoice to you?
July 24, 2009 8:16:17 PM

I normally play games at 1260x940 windowed i believe.
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 8:18:13 PM

darkpsycho said:
I normally play games at 1260x940 windowed i believe.


In that case don't bother spending money on anything mroe than a 4850. Even that is not really required, but anything less expensive would be a downgrade from the 8800gts.
July 24, 2009 8:24:04 PM

Just curious though. I might upgrade my processor in the future. Would my power supply be able to handle the 9950 or the Phenom II X4 920 with the 4870/4850?
a c 236 U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 8:25:23 PM

yes
July 24, 2009 9:10:36 PM

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BTW - GTX+ and 250 are the same card

Nope, the GTX+ has 512MB, all 250s have 1GB.

I agree with daedalus685 in the recommendation of the 4850. If you don't mind me asking, why are you playing at such a low res?
July 24, 2009 10:20:43 PM

My monitor is only 15" and its a old dell one. I haven't bought a new monitor yet otherwise I would be playing at a higher resolution.
a c 106 U Graphics card
July 24, 2009 10:42:49 PM

The 4870 is the best option, especially at current prices, and is really the only card you listed that would be an upgrade from your current card. The 9800GTX/GTX+ and the GTS250 are pretty much the same as the 8800GTS 512 just with a die shrink and slightly higher clock speeds. As for the 4850 it's pretty much on the same level as the 9800GTX/GTS250.

Its true that your CPU would bottleneck a 4870 a bit, but your motherboard is a pretty good overclocker so you may want to look into overclock your CPU a bit as well. Considering you have a crossfire board (with 4 slots at that) it doesn't really make sense for you to be looking at nvidia cards. Anyway you can always upgrade your CPU latter on and add another 4870 for more performance.
July 24, 2009 11:14:49 PM

4850 1gb, incase u decide to get another cardafter the initial purchace
July 25, 2009 12:43:44 AM

=/ I need to know the length and thickness and width. I'm worried if it's alot bigger then my 8800 gts it may not fit in my case correctly.
July 25, 2009 1:04:04 AM

i got a 9800gtx+ it cranks not a game a cant play on top gfx quality but i got a e8400 too water cooled.
July 25, 2009 4:06:42 AM

Apparently on Amazon its 6.5 x 3.5 x 11.5 inches.. that is wayyy to big for my case.
July 25, 2009 4:46:09 AM

i had to take part of my case out for it to fit
July 25, 2009 5:01:48 AM

I was talking about the Radeon 4870. I can't even find the dimensions of the Radeon 4850.. Sigh i was hoping to buying it today... but I spent the whole god dam time trying to find out the dimensions for both the 4870 and the 4850 with no luck. Stupid Sapphire doesn't put their dimensions anywhere and no one seems to want to put it in reviews or just on forums. Two different kinds of 4870s i'm looking at and a 4850 Vapor-x edition..

Please someone help me out here -.- Should I pick a different manufacturer then Sapphire? =/ I've never bought an Radeon so i'm not exactly sure which is the best.
July 25, 2009 7:43:00 AM

go with the 4850 you wont see much or any difference with the 4870 and its more expensive.
July 25, 2009 7:45:27 AM

im_just_jokin said:
i got a 9800gtx+ it cranks not a game a cant play on top gfx quality but i got a e8400 too water cooled.

Are you bragging in the forum????? :o 
a c 170 U Graphics card
July 25, 2009 9:00:21 AM

Your CPU isn't too bad. Don't fall into the trap of having to get the latest hardware.

GET THE GAMES THAT RUN GOOD ON YOUR SYSTEM. There are lots.

I recommend getting the HD4850 personally. It's a great value.

FYI, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will run great on your system with an HD4850. Many other games will too. There will always be games that require the latest and greatest hardware.
July 25, 2009 1:37:19 PM

Alright thanks guys.. but I still need to know the size for the SAPPHIRE Vapor-x 4850. My case is the Apevia X-Cruiser.. its not very big
July 25, 2009 2:06:25 PM

photonboy said:
Your CPU isn't too bad. Don't fall into the trap of having to get the latest hardware.

GET THE GAMES THAT RUN GOOD ON YOUR SYSTEM. There are lots.

I recommend getting the HD4850 personally. It's a great value.

FYI, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will run great on your system with an HD4850. Many other games will too. There will always be games that require the latest and greatest hardware.

That is what I plan on getting when they come out but atm I play Fallout 3, WoW and heroes of newerth.
And I just ordered the HIS Radeon 4850 instead of the Sapphire. Thanks all for your help
July 26, 2009 4:13:45 AM

darkpsycho said:
That is what I plan on getting when they come out but atm I play Fallout 3, WoW and heroes of newerth.
And I just ordered the HIS Radeon 4850 instead of the Sapphire. Thanks all for your help

great choice darkpsycho.... :bounce: 
July 28, 2009 3:04:33 AM

Just as a reference should anyone need to know.. the 4850 and 4870 from Sapphire is 9 inchs long, 5 inchs high, and .5 inches wide. >.> Not sure if my case could fit that but I got the HIS which should fit.
July 28, 2009 5:22:43 AM

Do not waste your money on the 4850 because:
4850 = 9800GTX+
9800GTX+ = 8800GTS OC
It is like you change you card for another a similar card, that is not upgrade it is sidegrate!

A good upgrade for the 8800GTS is 4870 and up, but with your AMD Phenom 9500 2.2gHz and 1260x940 the 4870 is a waste.

So don’t upgrade now, save your money for a future upgrade.
July 28, 2009 9:53:35 AM

Hey Michaelmk86 i thought we already discussed in this forum earlier that 4870 is no better than the 4850. The 4850 is the better choice for the price.And the 4870's performance is barely different if any. Dont twist the guys desicion.
July 28, 2009 5:43:06 PM

And we discussed that I needed a new card because my 8800 GTS died. Besides.. i just got my 4850 ICEQ4 today. Thanks for everyones help again.
July 28, 2009 7:53:37 PM

Your PARENTS won't appreciate paying for a new CPU? Duuuuude...The Sky Is The Limit! :pt1cable: 

But just one thing...come back and ask WHEN YOU CAN BUY YOUR OWN! :fou: 
July 29, 2009 12:05:11 AM

I can pay for it myself but its using their credit card.. i don't need them to start complaining more
July 29, 2009 2:38:48 AM

darkpsycho said:
And we discussed that I needed a new card because my 8800 GTS died. Besides.. i just got my 4850 ICEQ4 today. Thanks for everyones help again.

So how do you like your 4850? :) 
July 29, 2009 3:03:54 AM

A 4850 should be fine for him, particularly with the resolution he's playing at. If I were him, my next upgrade would not be a CPU, it would be an upgrade over the dinky 15" monitor. I mean ouch. You are really missing out visually on what games have to offer. What you can do is go to best buy and look for a decent 22" monitor and just pay with cash and take it home. No need to rely on mom and dad's credit card then.
July 29, 2009 3:37:30 AM

I like it alot. It is alot silenter then the 8800 gts. I don't see much of a difference in raids for WoW just a tiny bit
July 29, 2009 3:45:52 AM

I am glad to hear you like it. Yeah i just bought my second 4850 today from my friend for $40 for my upcoming build.
July 29, 2009 3:48:08 AM

The ICEQ4 looks like a pretty sharp model from what ive seen in the pics.
July 29, 2009 5:23:41 AM

inspector71 said:
I am glad to hear you like it. Yeah i just bought my second 4850 today from my friend for $40 for my upcoming build.


you can never have enough of them 4850's hahaha
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