AMD roadmap

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/amdn-tyopoytaprosessorien-suunnitelmat-julki-vuoteen-2011-asti

Looks interesting

 

[BadTrip]

AMD's roadmaps are always accurate *sarcasm*

 

[jennyh]

That's true, istanbul being 6 months early an all.

 

[jennyh]

AMD could be onto something with the Athlon II's in the mainstream. The discovery that cache is somewhat not worth the premium should really allow for extremely cheap quad cores, which should also be good on power draw and heat.

AMD will make these so cheap that maintream buyers and OEM's cannot resist. That is the plan for 2010.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Gotta love that roadmap disclaimer at the bottom - "subject to frequent change without notice or warning - if you rely on our accuracy, you may not get there!"

 

[fazers_on_stun]

AMD could be onto something with the Athlon II's in the mainstream. The discovery that cache is somewhat not worth the premium should really allow for extremely cheap quad cores, which should also be good on power draw and heat.

AMD will make these so cheap that maintream buyers and OEM's cannot resist. That is the plan for 2010.

What I've read, anywhere from 0 to 20% performance penalty with no L3 cache, but that's compared to the P2 which has it's L3 clocked much slower than the remainder of the CPU, right?

Anyway, if the margins are low on these, selling a lot of them and fewer P2s would hurt AMD's bottom line.

 

[daggs]

what happened to bulldozer platform?

 

[jennyh]

Zambezi = Bulldozer.

 

[daggs]

Zambezi = Bulldozer.

ahhh ok, thanks

 

[uncfan_2563]

Well this diagram does talk about cpu architectures and all but what i'm really interested in is die shrinks. AMD seems to be quite a bit behind Intel in moving to 32nm

 

[loneninja]

Well this diagram does talk about cpu architectures and all but what i'm really interested in is die shrinks. AMD seems to be quite a bit behind Intel in moving to 32nm

AMD is usually a year behind Intel on die shrinks, Intel hasn't officially shrunk to 32nm yet.

 

[jennyh]

ahhh ok, thanks

Sorry I actually meant Llano.

 

[uncfan_2563]

AMD is usually a year behind Intel on die shrinks, Intel hasn't officially shrunk to 32nm yet.

i know that but if i recall correctly, they'll be ready for market in Q1 - 2010

 

[xaira]

cant wait for thuban, wish they made it l3 cachless and added a ddr2 controller

 

[Reynod]

AMD's main issue sustaining IPC comes down to the cache and that is where Intel seems to really have an advantage.

Several articles have highlighted this.

I was hoping Wasson would do an article on the new Athlon's and tell us some more ... we just have the older article at present:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147/3

 

[yannifb]

Aagh! i cant wait for some more information on bulldozer

And wait a minute- does more cache mean higher IPC?

 

[uncfan_2563]

Yeah i'm really excited for Thuban too. Are they going to release 6core cpu's before or after Intel (for the desktop market)? If so the Phenom II might stay competitive for a while in the high end

 

[xaira]

Aagh! i cant wait for some more information on bulldozer

And wait a minute- does more cache mean higher IPC?

cache does mean higher ipc because the cpu has data stored on the chip that might be in ram, also, l3 allows all the cores to "copy off each-other's papers" but amd does not make full use of l3 like intel does, thats why athlon x4 620 and phenom x4 810 are pretty much matched, but if you took away l3 from an i5 or i7 the perf diff will be much more. if amd can fully utilise the l3 correctly perf will b much higher

amds six core is 45nm, so they might just be able to launch before gulftown, but once gulftown is released, thuban will be crushed and i can buy a hexacore for under $200

 

[uncfan_2563]

well gulftown will have a shrunken die correct? At the same manufacturing node and with AMD's higher frequencies, Intel still out performs AMD's top end. If Intel is on a lower manufacturing process AND with their given architecture superiority, this could mean trouble for AMD because Intel will too be able to clock their processors above 3 GHz at stock although, I dont know how much the additional 2 cores will affect the thermal limit on the Core i9's.

 

[xaira]

intel has said that core i9 will adhere to the same 130w tdp,

if i can get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103689
into my am3 mobo for under $200 gulftown better come with a pot of gold, or i aint buyin. even if they get to 3.0+ ghz

 

[EXT64]

Doesn't that chart show die shrinks? It looks like pink ("Lynx") should be their first 32nm.

 

[jennyh]

Yep. Global Foundries wont be ready with 32nm until the 2nd half of 2010, but that's because AMD won't be switching until then either. Bulldozer will be in production Q4 2010 for sale Q1 2011.

If reports are true, global foundries 32nm is really, really good. Claims of up to 50% better are being made, because of the unique 'gate first' approach.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20090930120901_Globalfoundries_on_Track_for_50_Natural_Yield_by_Year_End_with_32nm_Process_Technology.html

2010 will be pretty rough for AMD but no worse than 2008 was.

 

[EXT64]

Yep, they'll need all the luck they can get. Though, if they keep the good quality/price "mainstream" parts, they'll keep me as a customer. I need to balance out that huge purchase of Intel stuff I just helped make at work.

 

[randomizer]

Remember that guy who posted the blog "The card that killed the Dragon"? Looks like he wasn't very accurate, since HD5000 has nothing to do with Dragon.

 

[Upendra09]

This is the formula for current cpus until major chagnes in cpu arch takes place

more cores+better micro arch based on x86=lower stock clocks but faster overall

this is until native x32 comes out on all hardware