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July 7, 2009 11:20:03 PM

Greetings everyone,
I bought my current computerabout 4/5 years ago and at the time I didn't know much about computers (Still don't know much but I know more than I used to! :)  ) so I just asked for something that would be able to play A and B games properly. They gave me that but after an year or two it was outdated already!
I've since then added more memory to it and the specs are as follows:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.800
Memory: 2GBs DDR
Mother Board: ASRock K8 Combo Z
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon 9500
PSU: Antec SL350P (350Watts)
Case: Antec SLK1650B ATX
OS: Windows XP SP2

This month I got my hands on a few extra penies and decided to upgrade my Video Card. Money doesn't come easily unfortunately so I can't upgrade the computer as freqeuntly as I'd love to (hence why its so old). I was looking for something reasonably cheap, reliable, fast and that would work for a really long time. After looking around, asking other "experts" and formulating an opinions based on others opinions :p  Idecided to settle for a Saaphire Radeon HD 3850 512 (AGP because my mobo does not support PCI).
I bought it for a bargain! Much cheaper than slower , weaker cards that would suit my computer better.
However, only after ordering and paying for it I realised my power supply is only a 350 W one instead of 500W like I thought it was! This annoyed me a bit because I now have to buy a new PSU probably! :( 

And that's exactly why Im here!

1 - Ive still got some spare "change" left from saving after buying the graphics card so I thought I'd get a new PSU. After reading several articles about PSUs, reading reviews, and of course the recommended links on one of the stickies here on the forum I found a OCZ StealthXstream 500W (http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?pr...) at a cheap price aswell. Is it a good Power Supply?

2 - Would that power supply work on my computer? (Main concerns being the mobo and case)

3 - Do you reckon I should get different power supply altogether? If so What one?

With time if I get an extra any time soon Im probably going to upgrade my mother board and processor but I can't count on it (It has taken me like 2/3 years to get a better gfx card!) so its just the video card for now and the PSU since Im on a really tight budget.

That is all,
If you require any more information let me know!

Thanks in advance,
Mauro
a b B Homebuilt system
July 7, 2009 11:35:48 PM

Did you take a look at this TH article?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,19...

Might be best to save you're money until you can get enough to do a CPU/Mobo upgrade. The AGP won't be able to be used in you're next comp and what you have now is for all practial purposes DEAD.

As to if the Antec is enough power for the 3850, total wattage should be enough to get by, but the real concern is the 16a on the 12v rail. Before going and buying anything more, I'd spec out each piece and see if you can get the amps used and see if its enough?

Here's the PSU calc I use.
http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine
July 7, 2009 11:55:52 PM

Hey Skora,
Thanks for the quick reply!

Yeh I have read that article (not in depth though!) right after searching for the card on the forum and before making my post. The benchmarking shows excellent results in my opinion and made me even more excited about the "new" graphics card tbh.

I've used a similar calculator and put the new card in just to get an idea of how much wattage the computer would require and it was well below the 350Watt I currently have. (288 Watts If Im not in error, peraphs a bit less)

I was hoping I could get a quick fix for my computer but also something cheap and that would allow me to play recent games properly for a really good while (recent games and games that are yet to come). Guess it isn't happening then :( 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 12:08:59 AM

That is a good psu. However, I gotta agree with skora. The little stop gap upgrades aren't real beneficial and can get costly. When you decide to upgrade your mobo, the video card you purchased, cpu, and RAM will need to be upgraded.

Older boards also usually came with 2 IDE ports allowing for up to 4 devices to be hooked up. Newer boards usually only come with 1. So if you want a HD and 2 opticals, then you will need a new SATA device (optical or HD), unless you get an IDE card.

These are just some things to think about when thinking of upgrading.
July 8, 2009 12:28:09 AM

Thanks once again for your replies. That's what I was thinking just now Aford. These are quick cheap fixes NOW but if I do decide to upgrade the mobo etc later on it'll add up to that cost and ill probably have to buy a new graphics card once again!

I think its time to dig up topics about cheap custom built games oritend computers and start saving for my own! :p 

I've also just cancelled the order on that radeon hd 3850 so hopefully theylll cancel it before dispatching it! :) 
Thanks again for your replies guys - didnt think about the ditional upgrade costs later on if I decided to get a new mobo etc before making this topic so it has helped me a lot so far! :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 12:38:22 AM

You've made the right choice.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of budget do you have avaiable now.

Taking you're time to build a comp can be very beneficial. The one I have now took 4 months of waiting for the BEST deals I could find and I think I did well.
Asus P5Q-PRO + 2gig OCZ DDR2-800 = $91 amir
Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer = $25
E5200 + World In Conflict + Assassins Creed = $80
Corsair 550VX = $63
2 more gigs matching ram = $12
Asus 4850 TOP edition = $105
Reused case, peripherals, monitor, OS
So a full guts upgrade for under $400.

Point is, keep checking day in, day out and have an idea of the target system you want to build. Buy rediculous combos and wait for the right deal. You don't happen to live near a microcenter do you?
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 12:54:55 AM

I would suggest on a cheaper budget, check out an AMD build, and also the stock cooler is sufficient until you can afford better.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 1:06:15 AM

Pretty good build by skora. One suggestion would be an aftermarket cooler because that cpu OC's like a champ. It's a cheap addition and I've seen that cpu top 3.5Ghz.
July 8, 2009 1:08:02 AM

Thanks once again for the replies.

I am aiming for a games heavy computer. One that hopefully would also last 2 years or more if possible :) 
For that I would probably have to spend a lot more than what I have right now. About $280 since you've asked!

And sorry for the dumb question but what's a microcenter? I live in england and I dont think we have those over here.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 1:25:04 AM

It'd be a bit of a trek to get to one then. Micro center is a brick and mortar that is only in major metro areas. I don't have one near me and cry myself to sleep every night because of it. They have the i7 920 for $200. Lots of exceptional deals like that along the way.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 1:33:17 AM

It's a store here in the states.

If you save up about $100 more, you could probably get a decent budget build. You'll need to salvage parts like the HD, opticals, case, monitor, and peripherals.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 1:58:10 AM

This might be a stretch, but would get you started. Newegg has some great deals on AMD 710 x3 and 940 x4 cpus with mobos. The mobo options are the 780G or the 790GX. Both the CPU and Mobo combo will run around $200 for the x3 or x4 with a 790GX down to $160 for the X3 with a 780g. If the board is DDR2 ram, 4 gigs will cost $45. DDR3 mobo will add $65. The 790GX has a better on-board graphics than the 780G, but both are better than the 9500 you have now. Both mobos should be able to be run with your current power supply as long as it has the 24 pin mobo power connector. That will set you up so when you have the money, all you need is a PSU to match the GPU you get. You'll get a great tri or quad core now and see a significant boast compared to your current system.

I used this calculator to see how much power you'd need. Made some assumptions, so double check and let us know.
http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine

940 and 790GX (DDR2 required) $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

710 and 790GX (DDR2 required) $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Here's all the combos for the 710. Look at the ones under $200 with a 780G mobo if interested.

710 and 790GX (DDR3 required) $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
July 8, 2009 2:56:12 AM

It would be better to buy a pre made pc if money is really tight. When they buy 10,000 motherboards and cpus, etc.., they get a lot better price than you can, look for a good used or "older" dual core athlon x2 system with 4 gigs and a pcie slot (hopefully 2.0) then all you have to do is drop in a good power supply and whatever super duper card you want.

An athlon x2 5800+ or newer (with a good gpu) can play modern games reasonably well. Avoid the phenom like the plague ! Phenom II or "kuma" is good as well. Kuma's basically recycle the athlon x2 design.
July 8, 2009 2:58:23 AM

Or get what is called a "barebones" system. Basically new minus the GPU, you usually get a non branded power supply (junk) so make sure it is a well known brand or add your own.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 3:08:26 AM

That's an option if you can find a real good deal. However, when someone builds a system for you you pay for labor costs. If you buy a built system over a site like ebay, you pay extra for S&H. You can save that extra bloat and build one yourself, with new parts, for around the same overall price.......unless you find a real good deal. There are people out there now looking to bring in some $$ b/c of the economy.
July 8, 2009 3:25:33 AM

aford10 said:
That's an option if you can find a real good deal. However, when someone builds a system for you you pay for labor costs. If you buy a built system over a site like ebay, you pay extra for S&H. You can save that extra bloat and build one yourself, with new parts, for around the same overall price.......unless you find a real good deal. There are people out there now looking to bring in some $$ b/c of the economy.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

I did not know stuff like this was available either till last week. So the OP would be well served. Maybe SCAN has something like this as well ?

a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 4:39:36 AM

^ that's not a bad deal. But for the OP, I don't think it's the ideal choice. The psu that comes with it isn't able to support a mid to high end video card. Since this if mainly for gaming, the OP would have to replace the PSU and buy a video card. The mobo supports ddr2 667 tops. This barebones system is including parts that don't have to be changed and doesn't come with a cpu fan.

So, on top of the $250 system, the video card, PSU, and cpu fan would need to be purchased. That would easily put it over $400 before shipping costs.

The guts could be replaced for cheaper.
July 8, 2009 4:46:01 AM

True, but the diff between ddr 667 and 800 and such doesent make a big diff in real life as long as you have plenty, plus ditching the ps was a given anyhow. try to go to newegg and build a 400.00 system w kb, mouse and speakers w higher end parts and it can't be done easily if at all. All I was getting across was a system like this with a geforce 260 and a good ps should keep him gaming even for a cpl years at reasonable settings, low cost too.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 5:03:16 AM

gigabyte p43 - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ reaper 4GB - $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 450w - $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

e7400 - $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS 4850 - $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This comes out to $389. It's in every way better than the barebones system. The OP can salvage everything else from the old system. The old HD could be replaced at the OP's availability and would be a nice improvement.
July 8, 2009 5:37:12 AM

Well there ya go, suppose the op has a want to run the old system as a linux box, or has a 120 gig hd, or his old case doesent have front usb. Are you saying the WD drive and ASUS and AMD are junk. While it is not top of the line, it's not no name or pcchips crap either. Plus he still gets the extras you left out. Sure he can salvage, and that stuff is a bit higher end, but if he were throwing everything out and or had no interest in occing, then this is a better overall deal.

take $249 and add that corsair ps and that $99 4850 and what do you get $403.00...he saved 14 bucks w your setup and still has to keep his old probably smaller hd and dvd burner, which are prob IDE anyhow. This was just an option on the cheap that is reasonably functional even on today's games.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 6:12:23 AM

Not saying they are junk, they just aren't as good overall. Personally, I just don't like the idea of paying for items that I don't need. The price of the barebones system is including those parts that the OP could salvage from the old system. If the OP salvaged the parts from the current pc, he could get a better overall build. The IDE part does throw a kink into things if there are 2 opticals. However, that's easily remedied w/ an IDE card (~$20), or using 1 optical w/ 1 HD. Down the road the HD could be upgraded to a faster SATA drive. If the OP has a 2nd optical drive, it could then be hooked up. That $14 saved could go towards a caviar black drive, which is a faster drive than the caviar green series.
July 8, 2009 6:30:16 AM

Ya, it just depends on what he wants to reuse really. Plus, if he has an old 40 gig or somethin, he's gota burn it ...hehe. I hate the green series myself, got a 2nd 640 (green) as a backup drive because the blue aaks was sold out. seems a lot slower than my blue main drive.
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 10:33:56 AM

I love respectful debates like this. Thats why I stick around TH.

RC and aford: the OP was rather emphatic about the tightness of the budget. Knowing he couldn't get a full low budget system, I looked to see if this could be phased. If he's only doing core upgrades every 4/5 years, getting a dual core seems like just another costly stop gap that after 2 years will have limited effectiveness. The tri and especially the quad combos I linked to give the system a chance to survive those 4/5 years.

I'm finding myself checking to see if I can sell my e5200/P5Q-Pro and am really looking at that AMD 940/Biostart 790GX deal. While OC might not be as great as a gigabyte board, you're running stock at 3.0 as it. For the OP, knowing he can only do the guts or a GPU/PSU, the cpu/mobo will at least have some life and be heads and shoulders above what he has now. Yeah there's no GPU, but if you can't afford the cash, then phasing or waiting are your two choices.

I had to laugh RC when you said that you didn't know that TD barebones section exsisted. I was the one who posted it in that WoW thread from my favs after buying one many many moons ago.
July 8, 2009 11:51:41 AM

Hey guys, again thanks for the replies. Didnt think Id get so many opinions but I guess I was wrong (luckily!). :) 

I found some of the information overwhelming though since Im a "noob" when it comes to the new technologies etc (I used to be in the know though when Voodoos 2 were the best out there :D )

I have taken in account all the information you guys have been giving me and I do agree with all of it, I could get some cheap combos or deals for the mobo + processor for now and then upgrade the card and PSU peraphs.

While browsing the internet this morning though I came across this nifty little computer.

http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/404.asp?404;http://www.dinopc.com:80/shop/pc/20-001-PC-Intel-Dual-C...

£162 is about $261 dollars.

Peraphs I could get that now and then upgrade some of the parts one by one with time?

1 - Is the processor alright?

2 - I couldnt find information about the motherboard, if anyone does, is it good and will last me a couple of years?

and lastly, 3- it comes with an onboard graphics card, that can be upgraded at anytime yeh? (If its a removable "chip" on the motherboard and has a slot for a new card)

Thanks again for the great help you've been giving me! :) 

Oh and you were wondering if I would keep some of the components I already have and yes I'll probably will. I have a 160Gb HDD which is more than enough for what I need and sound card + CD drive work just fine so thats money that I would save! :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
July 8, 2009 12:52:57 PM

I think your better off waiting until you can get something like I listed above. That system you linked has a real low budget board that wouldn't support higher end dual core, let alone quad core cpu's if you were thinking of upgrading down the line. That celeron cpu is pretty old.

Since this is mainly for gaming, I have a hard time recommending a budget board w/ onboard graphics. That could be remedied by an upgraded video card down the line, but the performance you're looking for will suffer until then. However, that's totally your call. If you're ok with that, it's certainly an option.

As far as cpu's go in games. Most all the games out utilize single or dual cores. Not many games utilize more than 2 cores yet. A higher end dual core with a faster bus will give better performance than a slower tri or quad core.
July 8, 2009 1:51:21 PM

I didnt know what barebone kits were until now and I think those are exactly what I need. All of this information is overwhelming ofr me since I havent been up to all this new technology for years so buying a barebones kit might be easier for me. Its just a matter of picking types of DDR and motherboards that will last me a while. The details are probably really important but Im "not in the know" anymore (like I said, Im a noob! :)  ) so I cant say that motherboard A is better than motherboard B for example. (If I was building one on my own without your advice Id go by reviews and price regardless of age or how good it was :p  )

Barebones kits however are pre built and I just need to add a few more components and its running and ready to use. I dont need to worry too much about technical details for the motherboards etc as long as its one of the ones you mentioned here. (Im leaving those details to the pros - you! :)  )
July 8, 2009 6:10:46 PM

skora said:
I love respectful debates like this. Thats why I stick around TH.

RC and aford: the OP was rather emphatic about the tightness of the budget. Knowing he couldn't get a full low budget system, I looked to see if this could be phased. If he's only doing core upgrades every 4/5 years, getting a dual core seems like just another costly stop gap that after 2 years will have limited effectiveness. The tri and especially the quad combos I linked to give the system a chance to survive those 4/5 years.

I'm finding myself checking to see if I can sell my e5200/P5Q-Pro and am really looking at that AMD 940/Biostart 790GX deal. While OC might not be as great as a gigabyte board, you're running stock at 3.0 as it. For the OP, knowing he can only do the guts or a GPU/PSU, the cpu/mobo will at least have some life and be heads and shoulders above what he has now. Yeah there's no GPU, but if you can't afford the cash, then phasing or waiting are your two choices.

I had to laugh RC when you said that you didn't know that TD barebones section exsisted. I was the one who posted it in that WoW thread from my favs after buying one many many moons ago.


I knew there was barebones, just last I looked, TIGER had generic crap on their cheap barebones ! Like a brand name MB and no name all else. Specially not at $250.00.. course this was in the "fat cap" times of 03. been a newegg'er since then, or pricewatch.
July 8, 2009 6:18:22 PM

MauroDiogo said:
Hey guys, again thanks for the replies. Didnt think Id get so many opinions but I guess I was wrong (luckily!). :) 

I found some of the information overwhelming though since Im a "noob" when it comes to the new technologies etc (I used to be in the know though when Voodoos 2 were the best out there :D )

I have taken in account all the information you guys have been giving me and I do agree with all of it, I could get some cheap combos or deals for the mobo + processor for now and then upgrade the card and PSU peraphs.

While browsing the internet this morning though I came across this nifty little computer.

http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/404.asp?404;http://www.dinopc.com:80/shop/pc/20-001-PC-Intel-Dual-C...

£162 is about $261 dollars.

Peraphs I could get that now and then upgrade some of the parts one by one with time?

1 - Is the processor alright?

2 - I couldnt find information about the motherboard, if anyone does, is it good and will last me a couple of years?

and lastly, 3- it comes with an onboard graphics card, that can be upgraded at anytime yeh? (If its a removable "chip" on the motherboard and has a slot for a new card)

Thanks again for the great help you've been giving me! :) 

Oh and you were wondering if I would keep some of the components I already have and yes I'll probably will. I have a 160Gb HDD which is more than enough for what I need and sound card + CD drive work just fine so thats money that I would save! :) 


That won't be running anything modern. What you have now is likely faster !
July 9, 2009 7:06:08 PM

Hey guys, here I am once again.
As I've stated before I'm going to save some money and build a computer myself instead of performing a major upgrade on this 5 year old AGP computer. Not worth it. However I have been looking for some graphic cards to buy for now as a "quick fix" for some of my problems and as a way of being able to play SOME games while Im saving up for a whole new computer.

A game that I want to play once it comes out is Aion a new mmorpg. In the system requirements one of the recommended video cards is a Radeon hd 2600.

http://www1.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overv...

There's an agp version of that card, is relatively cheap and since its not as fast/powerful as the hd 3850 I was thinking of buying it might suit my computer for now?

What do you guys think? Is it an ok card to use for now while saving money for a new computer?
Will it work well on my computer?
Do you guys know of peraphs a cheaper equivalent card that would be even better for my current computer? (A card that is maybe cheaper than that one but is equivalent spec-wise, since I want to use it to play Aion)

Thanks once again guys :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
July 10, 2009 1:38:11 AM

What resolution monitor do you have?
Do mail in rebates apply across the pond?

I've looked at the E5200 vs an AMD 710 x3. Using anandtech bench and directly scaling the difference from the E5300 and the E5200, check what an E5200 OC to 3.6ghz would be (if it did directly scale, but chances are it wouldn't.) The AMD 710 x3 still came out at or above the performance at stock than an overclocked E5200. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my E5200, but price/performance, I think AMD has made a sucessfull charge and knocked the E5000 series off the throne. While the builds the others have made for you are good builds, I doubt you could run the E5200 upto 3.6ghz on a G31 board. I also believe games will start using more cores in short order (Prototype for example) and to get more life out of your system, get at least a tri core if not a quad. I think going AMD would be better. Hopefully I'm making my case and would like feedback why I might be in error. But the build you could start now using you're existing HDD, PSU, Case, and opticals is as follows.

AMD 710x3 and AsRock 790gx board $174
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

4gb (2x2gb) DDR2 800 Ram
Lots of good ram to choose from at the $45 price point. This is a typical example.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ATI 4670 $70 with $20 MIR (if they work for you)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That puts it at $290 US before shipping and rebates. The calc I listed before says the total system power needed is 238w. I can't promise that your PSU will have enough on the 12v rail to run this setup. The mobo does have good graphics built in to run what you have now so if it doesn't, you'd still have a working system that is better than your current setup. Won't be enough for Aion but the PSU is the only part you'd have to save up for and you'd have a very good and long living core computer. Then when the money is there, the HDD and maybe monitor depending on what you have and what you want.

To answer you're other question, if your mobo has onboard graphics, the chip can't be replaced, but a regular GPU can be put in and the onboard chip turned off.
July 10, 2009 10:32:06 AM

Really impressed and satisfied with that last build Skora. Thanks a lot!
Now I just need to find the places selling all of those at the cheapest prices. The A-data memory might not be the same but Ill try and find something equivalent at a really good price.
These past few days Ive been wishing we had newegg over here in the uk! Or at least something similar with great prices.

And no I dont know what mail in rebates are. I've seen them mentioned here on this post and on a few others on this forum but dont actually know what they are.

Thanks once again for your help, much appreciated! :) 

Edit: Just ordered the processor + mobo you've recommended Skora, next week Im going to buy the ram and then its ready to roll! Its a bit over my budget but I'd rather have a major upgrade like this one instead of upgrading to something that would fit the first agp card I mentioned and then having to re ugprade again in a year or so. And its always better than buying a brand new computer! I love "messing" around with the hardware and such so its going to be a fun adventure for me! :) 

Thanks for all your advice guys and also thanks for keeping the topic very mature and enjoyable!
a b B Homebuilt system
July 10, 2009 12:49:04 PM

Glad we could help. The CPU should serve you well and the mobo is a mid grade mobo. AsRock is the 2nd tier line for Asus. That specific one was just an opportunity buy with the combo on Newegg so don't feel you had to go with that specific model. And since you don't have newegg, make sure you list the site that you'd prefer to use. I didn't remember till looking back now that the specialtech site was listed as a reference for a PSU, so I appologize for not using it or another site you can order from.
July 10, 2009 12:59:32 PM

As of late I've been looking for the parts on the following sites:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=4...
http://www.ebuyer.com/
http://www.dabs.com/
http://www.cclonline.com/

Some have more items in stock, some have a bigger stock and different parts, some have better prices, so when Im looking for something I always visit each one. Unfortunately I couldnt find the processor and the motherboard on any of those sites (and if I did they were more expensive) so I ordered them from http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/

Its the first time Im using the website. But yeh Im going a bit over budget because Im buying what youve suggested, I could probably get something similar for a bit cheaper but I cant tell if part A is the same as part B for example specs wise. If its something simple like speed etc I can but I have never had to worry about chipset size(?)/type before and that's just one of the many things that differenciate part A from B. Like I said, Im a noob! :) 

Oh how I wish newegg would ship internally, even if I had to pay around $20 shipping it would still be cheaper than buying the pieces over here :( 


PS: Just so you have an idea of how much expensive things are over here, I have paid $257 just for the processor + mobo (shipping fees included and cnversion done with http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/currencies/converter/#from=...;to=USD;amt=159). I still need to buy the ram so Ill have to wait until I get paid again to buy it but yeh that's the best price I could get. :) 
July 22, 2009 12:49:22 PM

Hello once again. Ive finally bought and received today the last of the parts i needed to get this new setup up and running (memory). Ive installed all the parts and was really excited! However windows wont boot up! :/  P.O.S.T runs just fine then it takes me to the windows boot screen where i have to choose starting in safe mode, with command prompt, or normally but none of the options work. :S Ive been trying diffeeent bios setups but none seem to allow windows to boot.(options such as enabling the onboard gfx card, different boot devices,etc) any suggestions as to what might be the problem? Oh and in case you were wondering when i select one ofthe windows hoot options it tries to load it for 1 or 2 seconds then reboots and starts the POST again and is on a loop. Hope you guys can help me one more time. Thanks in advance.
July 22, 2009 2:42:21 PM

PS: Its working OK ish now. The graphics are a bit choppy/laggy when Im opening a new window/folder and sometimes when scrolling windows on firefox even though Ive installed the drivers for the mobo and the gfx card already. The motherboard's instant boot feature doesnt work properly either and Ive installed the little program thingy that lets me control it (and enabled it on the BIOS) and there's no sound either. Going to try and find the drivers for the sound now since they didnt include those in the motherboard CD. Apart from those 3 things everything's working fine. Noticeable difference in games aswell even with just the onboard gfx card! :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
July 22, 2009 8:07:27 PM

Try checking the device manager to see if there are any conflicts.
July 23, 2009 11:08:59 AM

Forgot to update this yesterday but I managed to get windows up and running by doing a repair installation, the sound took me a lot longer becuse I seriously didnt know what was going on, during the drivers installation I kept getting a "we cant find HD audio device" error message, I looked everywhere and couldnt find any way of sorting the problem out. Just before I quit trying to fix it (I was losing my patient! :p  )I went to the device manager and there was a yellow unknown device, I asked for the drivers to be update and it installed the microsoft UAA hotfix thingy, after that I tried installing the sound drivers again and it worked :)  (that is probably one of the first things an expert would do and i didnt cross my mind until later on in the day :p  ) But yeh everything seems to be working fine now except the choppiness at times and the instant boot not working. But ill look into it later on. :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
July 23, 2009 5:05:40 PM

By instant boot, are you referring to the quick boot?
July 23, 2009 5:13:06 PM

Well the actual feature/applicationis called Instant boot and it does quicken up the speed it takes for your computer to boot. Like 4 seconds from a shut down computer to a ready to use windows! It skips POST and Windows loading and such.

A better explanation (Including all the tech details and video!) here:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/856/1/

My motherboard (the one Skora recommended) supports it and included it in the motherboard software cd but its not working, after googling it up it says I need to have only one account on the computer and without password so it boots up straight away but still doesnt work.

Going to keep working on this until Ive got it working since its a really nice feature that Im going to be using to impress people! :p 
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