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July 9, 2009 6:33:34 PM

alright alright. to make things clear. this is what i came up with. so what you were saying with graphic cards. might you make a suggestion that's cheap and better and compatible with this pc.

mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cpu + fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mouse + keybourd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

there. that's what im put up. it does not have a video card yet so make a suggestion.

does this parts compatible with each other and the os? please answer this inquiry.

this does not have a case and psu yet but im good with that. don't need help in that section anymore. got alot of new knowledge about them through the earlier posts. just need help on the video card. video card that is similar to the power of the 4670.

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a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 6:49:12 PM

That's a big NO on the PSU :)  The PSU is a vital part of any build and not a place to cut corners.

As to the rest of your build, I will need more info. Pretty sure we can do better.

Just see the sticky on the top of the forum about asking for new build advice, and be sure to include your budget and what you want to be able to do with the computer.
July 9, 2009 7:16:47 PM

yea i think you will need at least a 600W PSU with that configuration.
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July 9, 2009 7:47:40 PM

lol. somebody help. :) )
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 7:49:47 PM

If you follow Proximon's advice and edit your post to include the information in the "How to ask for new build advice" sticky you'll get a lot more help.
July 9, 2009 8:21:49 PM

hope i got the right format this time :) 
July 9, 2009 8:38:03 PM

you got a monitor? what resolution?
a c 205 U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 8:38:34 PM

There's no PSU listed.
The 9400GT isn't a gaming card unless you play only really old games. What do you want to play? Does your budget need to include the monitor (looks like it does)?
July 9, 2009 8:54:10 PM

Onus said:
There's no PSU listed.
The 9400GT isn't a gaming card unless you play only really old games. What do you want to play? Does your budget need to include the monitor (looks like it does)?


yeah. i don't know how many watts i need.

it isn't? do you have any suggestions that fits the budget. I like to play games like TFT, NBA 2k9, Oblivion, CSS and some mmos if there's a good one that comes out.
I just want those games to run smoothly and nicely not really over doing it or something. anyway any suggestions?

yeah. i forgot to put the moniter. i picked one from newegg.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 8:55:46 PM

A full build for under 600 bucks is hard :p 

I think you got a good start there with those parts, but you can make a few changes.


CPU and board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
That will get you a bit more up front for just a samll price increase - 128

GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This 4670 will be for more powerful -70

Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Start with 2GB and add a second module later -22

Case and PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Quality PSU and case -95

HD and OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
-155
You did not specify if you already have XP. So I included this OS.

DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think that pretty much covers it.
July 9, 2009 8:59:57 PM

Proximon said:
A full build for under 600 bucks is hard :p 

I think you got a good start there with those parts, but you can make a few changes.


CPU and board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
That will get you a bit more up front for just a samll price increase - 128

GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This 4670 will be for more powerful -70

Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Start with 2GB and add a second module later -22

Case and PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Quality PSU and case -95

HD and OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
-155
You did not specify if you already have XP. So I included this OS.

DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think that pretty much covers it.


Thanks man. I'll look in to this.
i want it to run in XP though.

Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3 for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is this good? how do you know if its 64 bit or 32?
a c 205 U Graphics card
July 9, 2009 9:57:12 PM

That's a pretty good build. I think Staples may have a similar Hanns-G monitor (but with no speakers) for a similar price. If you buy there, you avoid shipping charges and can probably return it if there are even a few dead pixels.
I play Guild Wars (a MMORPG) occasionally on my secondary PC that has a 4760 in it, and it runs fine even up to 1680x1050; that system is CPU-limited by its AMD 4850e.
July 10, 2009 2:03:09 PM

There is no 64-bit version of XP Home. if your going 64-bit your better off with Vista because its supported more. why so you not want Vista? Vista has no problems on an old pc and is just as stable and fast as XP? did you actually try vista or are you just going on what people are saying about it?

here is a link to64-bit XP

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and the 64-bit version of XP does not have a service pack 3. not like it matters.
July 10, 2009 6:02:43 PM

captaincharisma said:
There is no 64-bit version of XP Home. if your going 64-bit your better off with Vista because its supported more. why so you not want Vista? Vista has no problems on an old pc and is just as stable and fast as XP? did you actually try vista or are you just going on what people are saying about it?

here is a link to64-bit XP

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and the 64-bit version of XP does not have a service pack 3. not like it matters.


Hey! thanks for the info. I just want to use xp because im more used to it and im more familiar on tweaking it than vista.
how do you knwo if a hardware is not supported by xp?
and what's the diff between 64 bit and 32 bit?

this is my finsihed rig. im gonna order this tomorrow. i just need some comments on you guys if this is good or not.

Mobo, Case and PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse and Keybourd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS 64 bit xp or vista. i haven't decided yet because yo said vista good too. but im not used to using it. but my laptop right now is vista though.

are these parts compatible with 64 bit xp?
and are these parts ocmpatible with each other?

hope somebody can help. thanks alot!
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 6:56:44 PM

You really need to get a decent PSU. Far more important than spending an extra 100 bucks on a processor.
July 10, 2009 7:04:52 PM

Proximon said:
You really need to get a decent PSU. Far more important than spending an extra 100 bucks on a processor.


about how many watts?

what processor could i downgrade to so i could buy a better PSU. can you make a suggestion please. thanks
July 10, 2009 7:19:53 PM

Its not so much about the wattage, its the brand that makes de difference. Low quallity psu put most of there power rating on the 5v rail, whilest you want it to be on the 14 rail. In simple terms. Cheap psu's get high watt ratings 400-600 wich cost little but cant actually come up with that wattage. So try to go for brands like Antec,Corsair. Antec earthwatts have some good ''cheap'' psu's
July 10, 2009 7:21:50 PM

that should b a 12v rail not 14.. silly me
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 7:27:17 PM

It's not about watts so much as quality. A PSU is a very complicated device that does far more than you imagine. A bad one can damage your new parts, or cause instabilities that are very hard to diagnose.

You could save 15 bucks going this route:
OCZ 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rorewill cheap case with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

However, 15 bucks won't get you much in an upgrade in other places, so in my opinion it's better to go with the case/PSU combo I listed. That gets you a much better case that will last a while and keep everything cool.
July 10, 2009 7:38:02 PM

alright. ill look in to what you guys said.

but the other parts are okay, right? they are compatible with each other and with xp 64 bit?
July 10, 2009 7:44:22 PM

This might interest you: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Again, you'd have to buy a PSU (the PSU that comes with it sucks) and a Graphics Card (the onboard one won't cut it) but you'd get more for the buck. I really recommend Vista... Soon people will be using Windows 7 RC and you don't want to be left behind with XP.
July 10, 2009 7:46:35 PM

can you edit vista to make it look like xp? i really hate how vista looks
a c 205 U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 8:02:33 PM

The Antec Earthwatts 380 would be perfect for a system with a 4670 in it. That's what my secondary PC has, and it runs 24/7.
July 10, 2009 8:21:05 PM

Onus said:
The Antec Earthwatts 380 would be perfect for a system with a 4670 in it. That's what my secondary PC has, and it runs 24/7.


can the Antec Earthwatts 380W power my rig?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and will this PSU fit this case?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU + Arctic cooling freezer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse and Keybourd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

still not decided with os. but will this os work with the hardware of my rig?
a c 205 U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 8:45:40 PM

Your links are broken, but if the video card is a 4670, 4770, or 4830, then yes.
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 8:49:43 PM

Some of your links are broken, but the PSU and case work together, and the board is OK. Good CPU choice with the cooler as well.
July 10, 2009 8:55:45 PM

oaky. but the PSU is not crossfire though. will the crossfire on the video card still work?

okay ill fix the links.
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 9:05:50 PM

Why are you considering crossfire? Your mobo does not support it and you have quite a ways to go in improving video speed with a single card before even looking at crossfire. Are you sure you understand crossfire? It is putting TWO ATI cards in one mobo and connecting them together. Your mobo does not have two video card slots.

If you want better video performance pay a little more for a better card now. Costs a lot less to upgrade now then to trade later.
If you want to consider much more in the way of video cards I suggest moving up one rung to the Antec 430w Earthwatts PSU now which only cost a little more than the 380. The extra 50 watts could easily make a difference later in what card you can run. There is also the 500w for a little more.

I think you need to spec your system, see what it costs, then tell us how much more you could spend and what you want to accomplish - that is go in what direction - such as increase game play. Although most likely this will be a video card upgrade.
July 10, 2009 9:15:16 PM

rockyjohn said:
Why are you considering crossfire? Your mobo does not support it and you have quite a ways to go in improving video speed with a single card before even looking at crossfire. If you want better video performance pay a little more for a better card now. Costs a lot less to upgrade now then to trade later.
If you want to consider much more in the way of video cards I suggest moving up one rung to the Antec 430w Earthwatts PSU now which only cost a little more than the 380. The extra 50 watts could easily make a difference later in what card you can run. There is also the 500w for a little more.

I think you need to spec your system, see what it costs, then tell us how much more you could spend and what you want to accomplish - that is go in what direction - such as increase game play. Although most likely this will be a video card upgrade.


how does one know if the mobo supports crossfire. my video card supports crossfire right i would not change it anymore. maybe just my mobo since it does not support crossfire.

well, how does one know if the mobo supports crossfire?
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 9:18:27 PM

I was editing my post above while you were posting yours. See mine above. Also the mobo will state if it supports crossfire. See the last half of the first paragrah.
July 10, 2009 9:19:46 PM

oh nevemind. your mobo should have 2 PCI Express x 16. hmm, well that got me thinking there. lol.

any suggestions?
July 10, 2009 9:22:45 PM

what video card is good that's not that expensive that i could replace the radeon 4670 with?
a c 207 U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 9:26:24 PM

4830's are running about $80 and 4850 are running at ~100-120 depending on the card. Either of those would be stronger than the 4670 but would require atleast a 450 watt power supply.
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 9:27:59 PM

Why replace- what are you trying to do? Save money but get lower performance?
If your goal is to reduce cost but maximize game performance, the first thing I would cut out is the extra heatsink/fan and the overclocking. If you don't overclock you can easily go with the stock fan. Infact you could improve game performance by not overclocking, not getting the heatsink fan upgrade and investing the savings in a better graphics card.

And Yes to Hunter, as I said earlier I think he should consider a better PSU than the 380x - at least the 430w.

Mongi - with all these different threads going on - you really need to re-spec what you think is your best system, tell how muich it costs, and then what you want to try to do from there in terms of budget and actitivy.
July 10, 2009 9:30:40 PM

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$49.99
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Antec EA750 750W ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

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Item #: N82E16817371026
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-$25.00 Combo
$279.98
$197.48
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AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX

AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor
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Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy

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Grand Total: $628.43
July 10, 2009 9:34:09 PM

rockyjohn said:
Why replace- what are you trying to do? Save money but get lower performance?
If your goal is to reduce cost but maximize game performance, the first thing I would cut out is the extra heatsink/fan and the overclocking. If you don't overclock you can easily go with the stock fan. Infact you could improve game performance by not overclocking, not getting the heatsink fan upgrade and investing the savings in a better graphics card.

And Yes to Hunter, as I said earlier I think he should consider a better PSU than the 380x - at least the 430w.

Mongi - with all these different threads going on - you really need to re-spec what you think is your best system, tell how muich it costs, and then what you want to try to do from there in terms of budget and actitivy.



id replace the video card because its not compatible with the mobo. so i need suggestions about a new video card that i should put. with almost the same price/quality.
July 10, 2009 9:36:52 PM

Get what I suggest you. It's the best deal on this thread.

Be sure to use combo deals. Also, you got a 20$ mail-in-rebate, so the total get to 608.43$

If you want the info, give me your email and I send the cart of the order.
a c 207 U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 9:41:52 PM

Uh no its not, not when an antec 300 and EA500 would more than suffice, and you failed to include a monitor.

If you want to get a 4830 or 4850 you will need a better PSU so i suggest switching to this combo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Good case and enough power
July 10, 2009 9:42:14 PM

redgarl said:
Get what I suggest you. It's the best deal on this thread.

Be sure to use combo deals. Also, you got a 20$ mail-in-rebate, so the total get to 591.43$


yep, im cheking it outtt
July 10, 2009 9:51:36 PM

mongii said:
yep, im cheking it outtt


Mehhhh, forget it... I didn't include a monitor... >:/

You can't get much for 450$ for a tower alone... maybe Walmart get something in your budget >:p 
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 10:19:45 PM

Also does not include OS - I believe poster intended that to be included. Did you mongii? Please clarify.
July 10, 2009 10:22:46 PM

yup i need an OS

well, i need help also in looking for a video card. that connect to just 1 PCI Express x 16. that's good in gaming and has decent price. lol.
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 10:24:23 PM

mongii said:
id replace the video card because its not compatible with the mobo. so i need suggestions about a new video card that i should put. with almost the same price/quality.

The 4670 is very compatible with you board. Crossfire is an optional feature advailable on most ATI, just like SLI is on nVidia. But there is no problem using in on a board without crossfire - infact you have to use a "crossfire capatable" video card if you want to use a better ATI card - or similarl and SLI available. You just don't use that feature.
July 10, 2009 10:31:54 PM

rockyjohn said:
The 4670 is very compatible with you board. Crossfire is an optional feature advailable on most ATI, just like SLI is on nVidia. But there is no problem using in on a board without crossfire - infact you have to use a "crossfire capatable" video card if you want to use a better ATI card - or similarl and SLI available. You just don't use that feature.


what's the big difference in graphics when using crossfire than not using crossfire. is it big?
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 10:33:47 PM

Monjii - I hope you are restructing a new baseline system for us to look at. One thing you might also consider is this value deal - a good case - Antec Sonata III - that comes with a Antec Earthwatts 500w PSU for only $100 plus $10 shippng.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2009 10:42:16 PM

You should not even be thinking about crossfire in your price range. Yes it can be huge - with two cards it can work sometimes up to twice as fast. But you can also get a video card that is three times as fast as the 4670 that does not cost twice as much. You can get video cards that are 10 times as fast as the 4670. You are not in the league to even be thinking about crossfire. And it is not only the cost of the video card - but you substantially increase the cost of the board and PSU. You need first to spend money on your basic system and then maximixe the graphics card without considering crossfire. Why are you pushing so hard for something you know nothing about?

You need to focus or people may lose interest in helping you as you take them around in circles.
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