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July 9, 2009 9:10:00 PM

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
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-$8.98 Saving
$36.98
$21.00

ARCTIC COOLING ACF8PWM Case Fan
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$8.98

LOGISYS Computer Area 51 CS51WBK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 480W Power Supply - Retail
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-$3.00 Instant
$39.99
$36.99

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
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-$40.00 Instant
$189.99
$149.99

EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512-P3-N841-AR Video Card
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$10.00 Mail-in Rebate
$109.99

AMD Athlon X2 7550 2.5GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core Processor
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CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
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ECS A780GM-A ATX AMD Motherboard
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Western Digital Caviar SE 320GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive
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-$5.00 Instant
-$40.00 Combo
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate
$229.96
$184.96
Grand Total: $511.91


Now I'm not sure about the OS. Someone told me I can get Windows 7 for free until the end of the year and only then purchase Windows 7... Don't really want to spend 100 bucks just to pre-order Windows 7 again in a few months for another 50 bucks...
July 9, 2009 9:23:35 PM

I think Windows 7 RC download is finished now so you're probably stuck with whatever OS you have until Win 7 comes out. That being said you can buy the Win 7 Upgrade right now from Amazon, NewEgg etc. for $49. It's a limited run at that price and it's only slated to last that long for another week or so.

Also, change your video card and get the 4850. I'm a big nVidia fan but the 4850 is more versatile... especially if you xfire it at a later date to get some more umph out of your system.
July 9, 2009 9:28:38 PM

Right now, Newegg and ZipZoomFly have a deal going where if you buy Vista, they'll throw the Win 7 upgrade in for free. I haven't looked into it at all because I plan on doing the Windows 7 RC until 2010 and then going with an OEM copy after that.

Having just put together a $500-600 system myself, the only other pointer I have is make sure that the company that is making your PSU is one that is reputable for quality goods. However, good and bad companies can make bad and good PSU's respectively. But a good PSU from a good company is important.

Make sure that your CPU cooler can fit your case!
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July 9, 2009 9:29:33 PM

you can get 7 for free, (torrents are nice) it is an RC though, and it will disable itself next july. your build is alright, i would consider getting a better PSU latter on. i have the same MOBO, it is alright. i wouldn't try OCing your cpu. the MOBO is rated only for 95W CPU's, any higher and it could fry after a short while.
if you can, i would upgrade the HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
little bit pricier, but much better performance and space. a thumbs up for a gaming machine.
July 9, 2009 9:29:50 PM

You can still download windows 7 RC for now, started it a little while ago.

I would be wary of that case and PSU, no decent PSU sells for that little let alone with a case included. I would suggest looking into this combo instead, as you dont want your PSU to blow up on you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
July 9, 2009 9:41:21 PM

You can upgrade every component for only a little more money:

Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The PSU bundled with the case you picked is crap and would likely damage other components. You really need to spend money on a decent PSU)

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $154.98 (Case + PSU + CPU combo)

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $54.99 (I guess you could go cheaper on the RAM, but this is excellent RAM)

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 (The AAKS is newer and faster than the AAJS)

Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $139.99

ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 (The 4850 is faster than the old 8800GTS)

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product... $31.99 (I didn't see a DVD burner in your build above. The build is under the $600 budget without the burner)

Total - $611.92
July 9, 2009 9:58:43 PM

Rather than the 8800GTS or the ATI 4850, I recommend the GTS 250 such as this one from nVidia for $110AR:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It is essentially an updated version of the 8800GTS and performs on par with to a little better than the 4850 - depending on the game and settings. I think the cuda acceleration technology that nVidia has will become an inreasingly valuable tool in the near future.
July 9, 2009 10:24:12 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
You can upgrade every component for only a little more money:

Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The PSU bundled with the case you picked is crap and would likely damage other components. You really need to spend money on a decent PSU)

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $154.98 (Case + PSU + CPU combo)

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $54.99 (I guess you could go cheaper on the RAM, but this is excellent RAM)

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 (The AAKS is newer and faster than the AAJS)

Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $139.99

ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 (The 4850 is faster than the old 8800GTS)

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product... $31.99 (I didn't see a DVD burner in your build above. The build is under the $600 budget without the burner)

Total - $611.92



Thanks that's very helpful... Might be a bit too expensive though. All I really want is to play WoW on it, does anyone suggest just buying a refurbished Dell PC for WoW and saving my money for a better system for later on?
July 10, 2009 3:35:58 AM

shortstuff_mt said:
You can upgrade every component for only a little more money:

Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The PSU bundled with the case you picked is crap and would likely damage other components. You really need to spend money on a decent PSU)

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $154.98 (Case + PSU + CPU combo)

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $54.99 (I guess you could go cheaper on the RAM, but this is excellent RAM)

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 (The AAKS is newer and faster than the AAJS)

Hanns·G Hi-221DPB Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $139.99

ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 (The 4850 is faster than the old 8800GTS)

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product... $31.99 (I didn't see a DVD burner in your build above. The build is under the $600 budget without the burner)

Total - $611.92



This is a sweet, sweeeet build. I think you would be a lot happier with this.
July 10, 2009 4:42:49 AM

daft said:
you can get 7 for free, (torrents are nice) it is an RC though, and it will disable itself next july. your build is alright, i would consider getting a better PSU latter on. i have the same MOBO, it is alright. i wouldn't try OCing your cpu. the MOBO is rated only for 95W CPU's, any higher and it could fry after a short while.
if you can, i would upgrade the HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
little bit pricier, but much better performance and space. a thumbs up for a gaming machine.


it is INSANE to download RC 7 from a torrent . Within a few days of the original MS release cracked versions were available on torrents and they set up botnets.

Unless you plan to be a small cog in a spammers machine , and really really want some foreign criminal to have your personal data then DO NOT get Win 7 from a torrent
July 10, 2009 5:32:50 AM

not sure why to download it via torrents i downloaded it from the ms site and it was pretty quick for 2.4 gigs only took me half an hour @ 1.5 mb/s. My connection is 2.5 mb down but that's fine I almost never can dl at full speed. took WAY longer to install the damn thing than to actually download it. took me nearly 2 hours on my crappy laptop
July 10, 2009 5:40:26 AM

Don't use that crappy PSU in the Logysis case. Not a big fan of ECS though. For a budget System I say go with an ASRock motherboard.
July 10, 2009 4:27:08 PM

I really just need the PC to play WoW so I don't want to spend all this money. I Don't mind playing it on high settings and even for high settings I don't need all that. Does anyone have a cheaper alternative? I want to be looking at 400-500 with monitor and OS included. Just a PC that is as cheap as possible and can handle WoW.
July 10, 2009 5:20:20 PM

Take a look at this article about mainstream graphic cards in MMORPGs (including WOW) to get an idea of what the requirements are now in WOTLK on (most likely) a high density server in Dalaran.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/mainstre...

Don't underestimate what it takes to run WOW at good frame rates at decent settings. Shorststuffs build is a good budget build for the game.
July 10, 2009 5:26:12 PM

Inexpensive purchased system to play basic games:

Gateway with E5200 (and note it is 64 bit) $399

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Insert HIS Hightech H467QT512P Radeon HD 4670 IceQ Turbo $60AR
(Note some of the reviews on newegg that specially address using this card for WoW)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $359 plus shipping on PC (video card is free shipping) for a very basic gaming system. Just add your monitor.

I would suggest adding a little faster graphics card in case you want to play many games - the next step up would be a 9600GT for about $15 more. Note however that neither is as fast as the 8800 GTS you originally speced. If this is the standard you want, then I suggest instead getting the 4850 for about $105, or only $45 more. For this kind of fine tuning you need to better define your budget. Have you reviewed this THG article on best cards for the money?:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-pric...
July 10, 2009 5:41:08 PM

rockyjohn said:
Rather than the 8800GTS or the ATI 4850, I recommend the GTS 250 such as this one from nVidia for $110AR:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It is essentially an updated version of the 8800GTS and performs on par with to a little better than the 4850 - depending on the game and settings. I think the cuda acceleration technology that nVidia has will become an inreasingly valuable tool in the near future.



The 8800 GTS and the GTX 250 are basically the same card
July 10, 2009 5:45:23 PM

dirtmountain said:
Take a look at this article about mainstream graphic cards in MMORPGs (including WOW) to get an idea of what the requirements are now in WOTLK on (most likely) a high density server in Dalaran.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/mainstre...

Don't underestimate what it takes to run WOW at good frame rates at decent settings. Shorststuffs build is a good budget build for the game.



Like I said I don't need any 16x AF or running it at max resolution. I'd be more than happy running it on medium settings. I do not believe I would need to spend so much on it. I also don't even raid I play mostly arenas. If it can handle 30 FPS constantly on WoW the PC is good enough for me, the graphics are more distracting than helpful in arenas so I would turn most of them down even with a 4000 dollar PC.
July 10, 2009 5:54:54 PM

rockyjohn said:
Inexpensive purchased system to play basic games:

Gateway with E5200 (and note it is 64 bit) $399

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Insert HIS Hightech H467QT512P Radeon HD 4670 IceQ Turbo $60AR
(Note some of the reviews on newegg that specially address using this card for WoW)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $359 plus shipping on PC (video card is free shipping) for a very basic gaming system. Just add your monitor.

I would suggest adding a little faster graphics card in case you want to play many games - the next step up would be a 9600GT for about $15 more. Note however that neither is as fast as the 8800 GTS you originally speced. If this is the standard you want, then I suggest instead getting the 4850 for about $105, or only $45 more. For this kind of fine tuning you need to better define your budget. Have you reviewed this THG article on best cards for the money?:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-pric...




Wouldn't this be a better purchase? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


My concern witht he PC you posted is the PSU, not sure if it can take it. 300 W seems a bit low.
July 10, 2009 6:07:02 PM

I agree that the above is a better card and a good value, and I too like the cuda feature and recommend it. The GTS 250 is actually a better card than the 8800GTS. According to nVidia reference stats, the texture fill rate on the former is 47.2B per sec compared to a pokey 41.6B on the latter. (It's amazing how today 41.6 billion is pokey.)

Just depends on how much he wants to spend. For a few dollars more, he can get a card even better then the GTS 250.

Thanks for pointing out the issue on the PSU. I missed that. The 300w PSU is large enough for the 9600GT as long as it is not overclocked. However I would feel more comfortable with a larger, brand name PSU also. At the prices I have seen, he might be better off with the option I showed then adding about $60AR for a PSU upgrade such as the Antec Earthwatts 430w which would power any card he might want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 10, 2009 6:15:00 PM

Almost all of the HP/Gateway/Compaq stuff have very weak power supplies. Usually 300W. Almost all of the nVidia cards require at LEAST 350W. I have an old 3500+ AMD system from Compaq that I had to throw in a 400W Corsair Power supply to add a 8600GT. In hindsight, that was a stupid idea since I should have purchased the 650W version so I could use it with future builds. That was a lesson learned for sure.
July 10, 2009 7:12:02 PM

Thinking seriously about buying this. Not sure about the monitor yet, probably going to buy a used LCD one for 50 bucks off someone:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I doubt I'll need more than 380 W with that system, I won't be connecting more than one HD either and I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon.

That's US$ 577 with taxes and shipping (no monitor)
July 10, 2009 10:01:55 PM

Would really like a final opinion on this :/  not sure if I'm being stupid
July 11, 2009 2:31:52 AM

Looks good to me - but I am the one that identified that system to start with. I agree the 380w is ample for that system. But if it were me I would still go with the 430w for a little more as it might save you from a more expensive complete replacement - time and money - down the road if you want a more power video card or other upgrades. You are right at the range that 50w could make a significant difference. But you know your budget constraints better than me.

I am hoping this response might bump up the thread so someone else responds.
July 11, 2009 5:05:35 AM

Wow that's a diamond PSU you found right there. For only 12 dollars more that is a huge upgrade. Definately going with that PSU... Think I'm going to order tomorrow after I (hopefully) get more responses.


Thanks
July 12, 2009 4:34:12 AM

Well I just ordered today.. Hopefully it'll turn out alright.
July 12, 2009 7:30:20 PM

Great. PLease let us know how it works out for you after you have it all set up.
July 13, 2009 9:05:31 AM

rockyjohn said:
Great. PLease let us know how it works out for you after you have it all set up.



Will do! Should be arriving Tuesday, thanks for sticking with me, I believe it'll be good. Does the motherboard that comes with the PC and the memory suck bad? Didn't find any info on that..
July 15, 2009 6:45:27 AM

I built it together it seems to be working great so far
July 15, 2009 11:28:37 PM

Motherboard & Memory - I don't know if they suck - what make and model are they?
Did you goodgle the model number + reviews (of you system and the make and model of mobo and memory if third party vendors)?
I have a Dell going on its 5th year with nary a problem. Many people complain about the quality of Dell's and all store bought systems. They usually don't have the high quality people select when building their own systems but they also don't have the higher component prices. You get what you pay for.
With store bought systems you rely on brand and warranty. Gateway has a reasonable reputation and I earlier owned one and was very happy with it. There is no reason that I know of that you should not expect at least a good three years of life - aside from technological obsolence and the desire for faster machine as games require more.
Speaking of which, how is WoW running?
BTW - When purchasing a system, I recommend always going to the manufacturer's site and downloading all the information you can (web pages or pdf or other as available) including manuals, specifications, compatible cpu and memory lists, and drivers. They have a tendency to cycle and update model numbers as they make minor upgrades and modifications which might make it difficult if later you are looking for info - such as possible cpu or memory upgrades. Also note that some model numbers are hard to find as they sometimes make special model numbers for specific large vendors.
July 18, 2009 6:37:57 PM

rockyjohn said:
Motherboard & Memory - I don't know if they suck - what make and model are they?
Did you goodgle the model number + reviews (of you system and the make and model of mobo and memory if third party vendors)?
I have a Dell going on its 5th year with nary a problem. Many people complain about the quality of Dell's and all store bought systems. They usually don't have the high quality people select when building their own systems but they also don't have the higher component prices. You get what you pay for.
With store bought systems you rely on brand and warranty. Gateway has a reasonable reputation and I earlier owned one and was very happy with it. There is no reason that I know of that you should not expect at least a good three years of life - aside from technological obsolence and the desire for faster machine as games require more.
Speaking of which, how is WoW running?
BTW - When purchasing a system, I recommend always going to the manufacturer's site and downloading all the information you can (web pages or pdf or other as available) including manuals, specifications, compatible cpu and memory lists, and drivers. They have a tendency to cycle and update model numbers as they make minor upgrades and modifications which might make it difficult if later you are looking for info - such as possible cpu or memory upgrades. Also note that some model numbers are hard to find as they sometimes make special model numbers for specific large vendors.



WoW is running very smoothly @ 1680x1050 (100 fps or more) but that is not in dalaran or other crowded cities.
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