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July 12, 2009 5:48:42 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the next week BUDGET ~1000

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com


OVERCLOCKING: probably not SLI OR CROSSFIRE: maybe in future

Please tell me what of you think of this build, it's probably gonna be mainly for gaming; slight internet and movies.

Cpu: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics: SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case Fan: COOLER MASTER R4-L2S-122B-GP 120mm 4 BLUE LED LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3 for System Builders
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
Can I download Windows 7 RC and use it with this new build?


I'm also curious if I would need a cpu fan or will the one that comes with the cpu is enough since I am not oc'n?

How long will this build hold up for the future of gaming?
July 12, 2009 6:12:06 PM

Everything is great, the only thing I would change would be.. The 500gb, change it to the 640gb version, and the fan get something higher quality like a yate loon or kaze, because I assume you're using it as intake.

Newegg is offering a free upgrade from Vista to W7, it might be over though. In any case you could just get a pre-ordered W7 (Might also be over) for cheap and use RC before the release.

XP (32bit) won't utilize more than 3gb of ram.
July 12, 2009 6:42:18 PM

I will upgrade to the western digital 640gb version, what about the cpu fan? Will I be able to get by with the one that comes with the cpu or will I need to upgrade to something better? If I should, any suggestions?
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July 12, 2009 6:44:04 PM

If you aren't overclocking, you're fine with the stock fans. Unless the room you're putting this in has a high ambient temperature, don't bother.
July 12, 2009 6:45:19 PM

Ok thanks guys!
July 12, 2009 7:14:05 PM

HSF is included.

This rig will work fine.

I do not believe that quad is needed for gaming.

Since you are buying all new system, I would recommend you price it out as ALL AM3 newer parts - because then you are good for future upgrades - i.e. the future is ALL AM3 thru 2010.

The mobo is excellent - but there is a comparable mobo with Socket AM3.
= GA-MA790XT-UD4P

An AM3 sys will cost slightly more - but the upgradability is desirable.
You could change the quad idea, if you want - it is useless in gaming - and get a Ph II 550BE cpu @stock 3.1Ghz - it oclox EZ above 3.6++.

But you say you won't be oclox anyway - yeh right - when you discover AOD AMD Over Drive, and how easy it is to oclox, you might just try it - the Black Edition makes that way too easy with AOD - it's a mouseclick - you can boost it to 3.4 with stock heat sink fan and be safe 24/7. But that's not necessary either. You won't lack performance in gaming - games are single or dual threaded. Triple core is also an option. Or quad, if that's what you want.

Future games might go quad threaded - but that's my point - you don't need quad now - and future = you can upgrade to quad WHEN NEEDED - it's a drop-in cpu and job done!

What you designed here is good - but going to AM3 will give you better futureproofing - cos all the new stuff is AM3.

I am planning this same sys myself. I will use a 750w PSU to cover this future upgrade idea where I might go quad or xfire, etc and might need more power in future, so I won't have to upgrade the PSU. That's minor.

So unless you save a lot by using ddr2 and AM2+ parts, or unless your budget is tight - that's my recommendation. The other thing to consider is that AM3 CPU's are fully backward-compatible with socket AM2+ (check with mobomaker for a bios upgrade to make this possible). That can change the game a little - you can think about those possibilities. But that locks you into only the ram type really, the big diff is bandwidth of ddr3 - currently that give approx 5% perf boost only.

The thing to do as I already said - compare price difference of all AM3 parts.

Congrats on a Smarter Choice. And sleep well knowing you did not support monopoly and antitrust activity; but instead supported collaboration. o yeh, I am really into it. I used to hang at amdzone.
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July 12, 2009 7:24:17 PM

wow thanks for the good info sighQ2, I was actually thinking about a AM3 build before deciding on this. Maybe I'll look around and see what I can come up with.
July 12, 2009 7:37:16 PM

Only two changes I would suggest:
1. a 64bit OS --xp64 or vista64 (you can buy vista64 with the free win7upgrade and just install windows7 beta and skip vista altogether if you like.
2. don't buy a single hard drive, buy two and tell the motherboard to put them in raid0. two 250gb in raid0 are faster than one 500gb, or two 320gb raid0 instead of one 640gb. you'll get an improvement in many many aspects of usage.
suggestions:
A. take a quick look for a silver (or bronze) rated power supply at the same price range if you want to save a few $ on electrical.
B. personally, i'd go for a scythe case fan instead
c. everything else looks great, the am2 build is very stable and will last you 5+years while allowing you to upgrade componentry along the way if you wish.
July 12, 2009 7:43:16 PM

One question: why does everybody recomend the Wd caviar black 640gb over all other hard disks? can anyone explain why it has better performance then the others (even better then the 1tera version?)

I have no clue why it is said to be so good but I just bought one because I always read here how great it is.

Back to the topic, your system is good the way it is.

If you would like to have upgradeability I would reckomend you the Phenom II x3 720, if you dont plan to upgrade just get the system you wanted in the first place.
July 12, 2009 8:44:01 PM

How bout this build..

cpu: AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

psu: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the rest will probably be the same as the first build I got listed, except for the case fans. What do you guys think?

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July 12, 2009 8:57:06 PM

Junz said:
How bout this build..

cpu: AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

psu: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the rest will probably be the same as the first build I got listed, except for the case fans. What do you guys think?



all quality parts and as future proof as any computer can be

The only possible change is to drop the psu back to 650 watts if you wont be crossfiring in the near future
July 12, 2009 8:58:52 PM

ok thanks for the input! I think I'm ready to purchase. THANKS ALOT GUYS~!
July 12, 2009 9:26:06 PM

erdinger said:
One question: why does everybody recomend the Wd caviar black 640gb over all other hard disks? can anyone explain why it has better performance then the others (even better then the 1tera version?)

I have no clue why it is said to be so good but I just bought one because I always read here how great it is.

Back to the topic, your system is good the way it is.

If you would like to have upgradeability I would reckomend you the Phenom II x3 720, if you dont plan to upgrade just get the system you wanted in the first place.


wd caviar black is faster than the caviar green. there is some uncertainty as to how well the green drives will hold up over time due to their having a variable speed motor 5400-7200 instead of only 7200. the price on the black is not significantly more expensive...
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