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August 5, 2011 2:45:39 AM

Hello everyone! I hope you are all doing ok and that life is treating you well!

First off, I am sorry this is so lengthy. I just need a lot of help :cry: 

I am looking to move to water cooling after having my system for almost 3 months and I have done some research, but I do have some more questions. I am trying to figure out whether I should do a single loop or dual loop and pretty much everything else that goes along with water cooling. I know the dual loop will be more expensive, but if it is going to be my only option then I know what I have to do :D  . Here is my setup/plan:

Oh I'm in the United States as well so parts need to be able to ship here please

AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE overclocked to 3.97
ASUS Crosshair V Formula
XFX HD 6950 2gb
8gb G.Skill Ripjaws at 1600
Cooler Master Hyper 212+
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
ASUS 24x CD/DVD drive

EDIT: I forgot my PSU :pfff:  ... I am currently using a Corsair TX750 V2, but I plan on moving to a Corsair AX or HX 750-850 depending on what you guys think I need. I want a modular PSU so that's why I'm spending more money on that haha

I am using a Razer Lycosa keyboard and Razer Naga mouse. Both light up blue and I'd like to keep that theme going on in the inside of the case. possibly blue and white tubing with blue cathodes or something similar.

I have it all in a HAF 912 case, but I am purchasing a Corsiar 650D this week. I think that will be a good size case and can fit what I might need to do in it. I will buy the 800D, but I'd like to save some money where I can. If the 650D will hold it all I'd like to use it and I don't mind a little modding if necessary. If we could keep the modding to a minimum I'd appreciate it, but like I said earlier I'll do what I have to.

I plan on upgrading to the FX 8150 when it arrives and I already have $350 set aside for it. I do want to add another XFX HD 6950 2gb when I get the money for it, but for now there is only a single card for water cooling.

I want to cool the CPU, GPU, and possibly the Chipset if I can pull it off. When I add the second card I will want it to be part of a loop as well. The second card will probably be purchased in 2-4 months. I would to be able to just add the card to an existing loop as seamlessly as possible, but I do not know what that would require me to do.

I have a $400-500 budget for the water cooling setup. I do not know much about parts and if you could please suggest a complete setup I would greatly appreciate it. I don't really have a preference for parts, but I would like to use quality components. If I need to save more money to pay for it all I will.

I have helped my friend install a water cooling setup before and I have confidence in myself to install it correctly, I just don't know what to install haha. Any help that is offered is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time and let me know if you need any other information!
August 5, 2011 4:28:46 AM

I've been doing a little research since posting and this it what I have come up with.

I would like to do a single loop if at all possible. I am thinking about dropping the chipset until I can afford a second loop and doing this.

Pump > Radiator> CPU Block > Radiator > GPU 1 > GPU 2 > Reservoir

I don't know what to get for any of them. I would think that a large pump would be needed, but I don't know what would be sufficient. I also do not know what size radiators to get. I read that a 2x120 will fit in on the top of the Corsair 650D, but I'm not sure.

This guy fit a Slim Dual 120mm Radiator XSPC RS240 and a Phobya 200mm Radiator in the 650D and didn't have to mod.

]http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=94403]

It is on two separate loops, but do you think I could combine them to one loop and it still work?

I haven't looked into water blocks yet so any suggestions on those would be awesome!
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 5, 2011 1:38:29 PM

You don't need 2 loops...no real point unless you want to have 2 pumps, reservoirs and extra tubing. There is no performance gain...in fact, a single, serial loop for all this would perform BETTER than dual loops using the same rads, blocks, etc.

Loop order does not matter...it will not change your temps. Just make sure your pump isn't going to suck air (which is why we suggest a higher reservoir than your pump that feeds to the pump inlet...but even this isn't a golden rule. No air through the pump...that is the only rule that can't be broken.

You don't need a chipset block...I am assuming you mean northbridge when you say this. Out of all the RAM/NB/SB/Mosfet blocks...NB is the only one I can say is a semi-viable option...but not really that much.

What is your budget? What components are you going to cool? For a CPU+ 2GPU loop...you are going to need a lot more than just a 2x120 rad...you'll need about triple that space.
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August 5, 2011 3:07:46 PM

Yeah last night I decided to drop the chipset. I have a 400-500 dollar budget. I want to cool the CPU and 2 gpus. I know that one dual 120 rad won't work. That's why I mentioned the 200mm one in my second post. I just am not exactly sure what will fit in the Corsair 650D. The res will be above the pump to avoid air like you mentioned. Thanks for the reply. After posting last night I was kinda overwhelmed and your feedback helped. Now I just need help picking parts and I should be good to go. If I need to save more than 500 I can, but that is just my starting point.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 5, 2011 3:31:51 PM

$500 should be a pretty good starting point...you can get a good loop for that. What components are you cooling? (specifically).

As for your case...I am pretty sure a lot of people have done a very similar setup to what you described. Google 'Corsair 650D watercooling' and see what you can pull up. I am betting there are a lot of build logs/photos out there. If I can find some time today, I can help a little more, but give a look around for now. Also, get us some updates on CPU/GPUs you are running. What pump do you want? Res-mount, stand-alone or stand-alone with top/res?
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August 5, 2011 5:35:26 PM

I am using a AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE and a single XFX HD 6950 2gb. My case is bought and will be here next week. I am not buying the second HD 6950 2gb for a couple of months so it will be the CPU and a single GPU in the initial loop. I would like to buy a pump now that will work when I get the second 6950.

I have looked around and found the Swiftech MCP655. Do you think that will be enough to power the loop?

I kinda like this res or something like it.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

This tubing looks good as well.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12799/ex-tub-832/Prim...

This CPU block

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

I need a GPU block for this card XFX HD-695X-CNDC and will need a second one in the near future. Just one for now though. I'm not sure if I should use Swiftech or EK for the GPU blocks.

Radiators are where I am having the most trouble. I need 2, but I'm not even sure what sizes. I was thinking these two maybe.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12103/ex-rad-186/Phob...

and this one

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2147/ex-rad-12/Black_...

I will probably be just one for now and grab the other one when I get the second card. Which one should I get for the CPU and Card only?

How does this look so far?
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August 6, 2011 2:11:03 AM




I am going with the 650D. I have read that a 280mm rad won't fit on the top so I'll have to go with a 240mm. I think I'll get the XSPC RS240 as someone else has had it fit on top.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

As for the second rad I still like the Phobyia Xtreme

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12103/ex-rad-186/Phob...

I still like the Swiftech MCP655 pump.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpu.html

So my question for now is if those two rads as well as that pump can handle the 955 BE CPU as well as two HD 6950 2gbs. For now I will only have one, but I would like to only have to buy radiators once.

I haven't found a water block that will fit on the HD-695X-CNDC. I might have to get universal ones, because all the 6950/6970 water blocks I see are for reference models and different part numbers.

The XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir seems like it will be sufficient for what I wanna do.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

The XSPC RASA Ultimate AMD CPU Waterblock looks good as well.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Keeping this tubing. It's PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing 1/2" ID 3/4" OD

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12805/ex-tub-838/Prim...

I do not know about fittings at all. Is Bitspower a good brand? I understand the inside diameter and outside diameter, but I'm not sure about what barbs and compression things I need. I'm reading the sticky trying to figure it out, but any suggestions and explanations are welcome.

I also need fan suggestions. I'm looking into some good ones for WC now. If you have an personal experience with any of the radiators I've mention please feel free to chime in.

Will all of this work together and handle a cpu, gpu, gpu loop?




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a b K Overclocking
August 6, 2011 6:51:02 PM

if you read the link that i provided you would see that there is EK-CoolStream RAD XTC (280) installed in 650D
BTW ..XSPC RS series rads are on the bottom of "food chain" ,good luck
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a b K Overclocking
August 6, 2011 7:02:29 PM

rubix_1011 said:


You don't need a chipset block...I am assuming you mean northbridge when you say this. Out of all the RAM/NB/SB/Mosfet blocks...NB is the only one I can say is a semi-viable option...but not really that much.




Im sorry but i disagree with you on this point. I`m running a crosshair iv extreme and water cooling the motherboard is a must if you want to utilize the board. Im running overclocked nb (3130.5) and ht (2889.6) cpu (4.3) and with this system you can`t get even close with the stock cooler block. i have tested this on 2 systems that are using the same cpu and motherboard and every time the n/b temp is through the roof and the system crashes. my prime 95 benchmark numbers are all at the top of the list above cpus clocked much higher. My temps are still great with these clocks i honestly feel that the motherboard block the major factor in achieving these numbers and is a great buy… in my experience.
Maybe this differs from motherboard to motherboard but I have had no luck with stock motherboard cooling on neither the crosshair 3 nor the crosshair 4 extreme when doing any sort of extreme overclocking. I would recommend to any one building a water cooled overclocking rig to get a full board block.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/747/desktopjl.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1940937

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August 6, 2011 11:32:30 PM

ortoklaz said:
if you read the link that i provided you would see that there is EK-CoolStream RAD XTC (280) installed in 650D
BTW ..XSPC RS series rads are on the bottom of "food chain" ,good luck



I had checked out your link, but I had just read that a lot of people tried to put 280mm rads in the 650D and it wouldn't fit. From the picture it looks like it is fine and I don't mind putting the fans on top either. I just didn't wanna get the rad and it not fit. I would rather have the 280mm in there honestly. I know the RS series is lower on the chain, I just knew it would fit. I like the RX series from XSPC as well, but like before I had read it wouldn't fit. I might just take the parts from the link and mix and match in what I need for my parts. I just hate returning items to online stores and stuff. It has always been a hassle for me. I appreciate the info everyone is providing though. I'm narrowing down what I am gonna get thanks to you guys.



@grahamie I am not using the ASUS Crosshair V Formula mobo. Seeing how it's just the next step from your mobo do you think it will have the same problems? I haven't read anything about that, but then again I haven't really been looking for it.
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 12:10:12 AM

I haven’t read much about the Crosshair v sorry … but there is a high possibility as the stock board block form the crosshair 3 and 4 have heat issues. I fried 3 n/b on the crosshair 3 before i solved the issue with the water block and i didnt bother overclocking the IV extreme until i could get a water block for it and my n/b temps were uncomfortably high at stock clocks
This crosshair n/b curse seems to be do to poor mounting of the block apparently in some cases it doesn’t even contact the n/b
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August 7, 2011 1:41:21 AM

It's cool I'll look into it more. I'll probably end up adding the NB water block down the line when I get my second HD 6950. For now though, this is what I have and I like it. Let me know what you think please.

I know some of the items are not in stock at the moment, but these are the what I'd like and I can get theme elsewhere if needed. It was just easier to do it all on the same site.

Pump: Swiftech MCP655™ Series 12 VDC Water Pumps

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Res: XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir for Single Laing DDC

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

CPU Block: EK-Supreme LTX (LIGHT Xtreme) CPU Water Block (AMD) - Acetal + EN (Nickel)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Radiator 1: EK-CoolStream Radiator XTC (280)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Shroud: Koolance 2x140mm Fan Radiator Shroud, Black

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Radiator 2: Phobya XTREME 200 Radiator

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Tubing: PrimoFlex Pro LRT UV Blue Tubing -1/2in. ID X 3/4in. OD

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Fan Controller: SilverStone Aluminum 3.5" Fan Controller - Black

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

GPU Block: EK-VGA Supreme HF High Performance GPU Only Water Block - AC + EN(Nickel)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...


I can't seem to find a full cover waterblock for my GPU. The model number is XFX HD-695X-CNDC

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I still have no fittings chosen because I'm still not sure how many of each I need, but that is the next thing I am tackling. So how does it look? Hopefully it is all compatible and will handle what I wanna do. CPU, GPU, GPU for sure and possibly the NB. Thanks for the help
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 3:01:17 AM

-res is for DDC and and not D5 (MCP 655)
-i would recommend 655 vario
-2x140MM shroud might be to big ,try 2x120MM (120MM fans have better CFM any way)
-didn't see the fan for Phobia RAD..
-I would recommend min. 30W per channel fan controller
-I'm not sure if your GPU is reference design (check with XFX support)
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c309/s1373/list/p1/...

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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 3:02:12 AM

I've heard a lot of the Crosshair boards run very hot NB...I don't know if this is an ASUS specific issue as it doesn't appear to be as prevalent in other boards.

I agree with you on the condition that for a high OC system, a NB block is a good investment. For none/mild overclocking, I don't see it as being necessary.
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 3:15:02 AM

check out this cpu block instead i have its little brother and would not want any thing less

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
as far as your video cards there non-reference so getting a full card block is not an option unfortunatly and i cant offer any advice on cooling just a gpu as i have never done it
everything else looks ok to me and yes bitpower makes good barbs i use all 1/2 inch but it has been said there is not alot of difference between 3/8 and 1/2 but every bit helps
what fans are you using ?
what fluid?

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August 7, 2011 3:26:02 AM

@ortoklaz I'll look around for a D5 res that will work. I meant to get the 120mm shroud so thanks for point that out :)  . I haven't chosen any fans because I am not sure what ones work better for water cooling. I was hoping that you guys could help me pick fans and fittings :D . I chose that fan controller because it was the one they included in the like you showed me and that is another thing I don't know much about. I know my GPU is not reference so I just figured I'd have to use a universal block. I wanted a reference design, but couldn't find one in stock and became inpatient as well as extra savings on the card I did get haha.


@grahamie I saw that one and liked it, I just like the all black look of the acetal/nickel. Is it that much better quality of a block? If so I don't mind changing it out. I haven't chosen fans or fluid really. I chose the tubing because my keyboard and mouse light up blue and are solid black and I'd like to keep the blue theme going. I need a bard for each spot that the tubing connects to another component right?
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 3:45:24 AM


I've heard a lot of the Crosshair boards run very hot NB...I don't know if this is an ASUS specific issue as it doesn't appear to be as prevalent in other boards.

I agree with you on the condition that for a high OC system, a NB block is a good investment. For none/mild overclocking, I don't see it as being necessary.
said:

I've heard a lot of the Crosshair boards run very hot NB...I don't know if this is an ASUS specific issue as it doesn't appear to be as prevalent in other boards.

I agree with you on the condition that for a high OC system, a NB block is a good investment. For none/mild overclocking, I don't see it as being necessary.


I will agree with that although it makes me think about a system (identical to mine) that runs 100% stock settings with a tri-fire of 5870s this system now has 2 5870s on a shelf collecting dust because his n/b over heats and he bsod`s. whether it’s the video cards generating heat with in his case or the n/b just overwhelmed he cannot run his tri-fire or even crossfire on his stock cooling. a full board water block in this instance will solve the issue.
I think you’re right it’s the crosshair line that seems to have the n/b heat issues whether it be the wrong standoffs or poor mounting I’m not sure.
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August 7, 2011 3:46:09 AM

I really like this Danger Den Monsoon Premium res, but it is like 80 bucks more than the XSPC one. I'll bit the bullet if I have to, but if it's avoidable I'd take it as well. I'm considering going to a cylindrical res on the inside to save some money unless you all know of a 5.25 bay res that is black and can work with a D5 pump


http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...


Also is this a quality res? And will my pump fit in it? Is it recommended to put a pump in the res? I would think the pump would put out a little heat and being in the box wouldn't be good for it.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 3:55:05 AM

Yes all copper is better for sure and that one is high flow as well. yes you need a barb for in and out of each piece of hardware unless it states barbs included p655 comes with 1/2 barbs and there not changeable unless you buy a pump top for it.
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August 7, 2011 3:58:41 AM

Nah 1/2 inch works for me. I was planning on that from the get go. Do you know about that the XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir for Laing D5 and if it will hold the MCP655 or if that's even a good idea?

EDIT: Well performance pcs has the MCP655 at the bottom to buy them together so I'm assuming it will fit. I just don't know how comfortable I am putting the pump in there. I'll probably just grab the Danger Den or a res that isn't for 5.25 bay area
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 4:16:37 AM

yes it fits inside but i dont know if having it enclosed is a great idea either thats why i went with a non 5.25 res my self.
also watch when picking out a res some res`s and fluids dont play nice if i remember its the acrylic that has the issues but id have to check and see for my self on that one

It looks like its coolant with alcohol that cracks the res`s
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 4:19:39 AM

rmcron5296 said:
I really like this Danger Den Monsoon Premium res, but it is like 80 bucks more than the XSPC one. I'll bit the bullet if I have to, but if it's avoidable I'd take it as well. I'm considering going to a cylindrical res on the inside to save some money unless you all know of a 5.25 bay res that is black and can work with a D5 pump


http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...


Also is this a quality res? And will my pump fit in it? Is it recommended to put a pump in the res? I would think the pump would put out a little heat and being in the box wouldn't be good for it.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...


I have DD Monsoon and end up separating the pump from res (to much vibration for my liking,same goes to all res/pump-case mount combos )..get the basic for like 90$
http://www.dangerden.com/store/monsoon-dual-bay-basic-b...
if you really want bay res ,the XSPC res mention above is OK (D5 pumps run cool-dump all the heat to your loop)
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 2:30:45 PM

Hey grahamie- your quotes are broken:
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I've heard a lot of the Crosshair boards run very hot NB...I don't know if this is an ASUS specific issue as it doesn't appear to be as prevalent in other boards.

I agree with you on the condition that for a high OC system, a NB block is a good investment. For none/mild overclocking, I don't see it as being necessary.
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You have /quotemsg as the open tag...switch this to quotemsg...should fix your quote. I usually just use open and close 'quote', but I think they work the same.

And yes, Crosshair boards just seem to be plagued with heat issues...its why I don't consider them (or most ASUS boards) much anymore...I used to love ASUS stuff.......
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a b K Overclocking
August 7, 2011 4:05:40 PM

Thanks rubix, I wondered what happened there

I really wonder why asus has not addressed this issue as it has been an issue for quite some time.

I still buy the crosshair line but i know as soon as i get it i will need a full board water block and im fine with that simply do to the fact heat kills components and with a north bridge running 3130.5 @ 32c im confident that it will last longer than a stock cooled n/b running at stock speeds, but for the most part people don’t use full boards water blocks and i know from experience that can cause so serious issues with the crosshair line
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