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9600 GSO 512mb DDR3 vs, 1gb DDR2

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August 4, 2009 9:41:41 PM

Wife's vid card crapped out the other night, need to replace it with something that'll play her beloved Sims 3 at decent resolution on her 22" monitor. Torn between these two current choices at newegg:

ASUS GeForce 9600 GSO 512MB DDR3, $40 after rebate plus shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

XFX GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB GDDR2, $70 with free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Should I stick with the faster DDR3 or go for the extra ram for higher resolution?

Or should I spend a few bucks more and go for a Radeon HD 4670? I'd really like to keep it under $75, shipped.

Thoughts?
a c 235 U Graphics card
August 4, 2009 9:55:09 PM

the card itself is too slow to take advantage of 1GB plus the fact it's GDDR2, the choice is rather easy. Go with 512mb GDDR3

the 4670 offers equal performance to the 9600GSO so no need to spend more money
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August 4, 2009 10:18:45 PM

get the 4670
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August 4, 2009 10:19:06 PM

512mb ddr3 9600
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August 4, 2009 10:28:00 PM

lol, thanks xaira - you pretty much just vocalized my internal strife right there.
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a b U Graphics card
August 4, 2009 10:35:01 PM

Do not get the 1Gb card.
Not only is there no need for the extra 512Mb of RAM, it is slower GDDR2.

Go for the 9600GSO 512Mb.
As it is the 96SP version it will be slightly faster than a 4670 and at $35 you can not beat the price.
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August 4, 2009 11:24:11 PM

i meant either or, i would pick the 4670 because it supports 10.1 whereas the 9600 only supports 10.0
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August 4, 2009 11:54:07 PM

Thanks for the feedback all, ended up going for the 9600 GSO because of the price, hard to beat $40 after rebate, and it leaves a bit more funds in the budget for my next vid card upgrade for MY OWN machine - you know, the one that counts! :D 
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August 4, 2009 11:56:10 PM

glad to no we cud help
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November 4, 2009 10:06:30 PM

Sorry to dig up an old thread, wanted to add something. I found this thread because the egg is sold out of my beloved ASUS 9600 GSO (I have 2) and I needed another video card. I wasn't sure about getting the EVGA 9600 GSO 1GB DDR2 compared to the ASUS (DDR3 512MB), and I searched for comparisons.... I had already ordered the EVGA... wasn't sure if I did right.

Google ranked this thread pretty high... so here I am.

Longer story short... I did a comparison of the cards on the same box, identical drivers, using 3DMark06. For the price, the EVGA or the ASUS will run any games with decent resolutions for the average gamer.... yes, if you want to spend hundreds more, a different card will bench way better.

My benchmarks with both cards at stock clocks were virtually identical at 7666points for the ASUS and 7639 for the EVGA.

Mildly OC'd is where it really changed, the DDR3 was able to easily push harder to 8503 points and the EVGA started going sour at 8328 points (still, virtually identical scores....)

ASUS stock clocks Engine/Shader/Memory 550/1375/1400(350) 7666 points
EVGA stock clocks 600/1500/1600 (400) 7639 points

ASUS OC'd 627/1598/1568 (Still had headroom) 8503 points
EVGA OC'd 701/1752/2004 (Pretty much topped out) 8328 points



Conclusion: They are the same card, and the memory makes very little difference.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 4:45:07 AM

I don't get it. Did you purposely not OC the ASUS card any higher so the scores would work out to be similar?
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a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 6:11:45 AM

JonnyQ said:
ASUS stock clocks Engine/Shader/Memory 550/1375/1400(350) 7666 points
EVGA stock clocks 600/1500/1600 (400) 7639 points

ASUS OC'd 627/1598/1568 (Still had headroom) 8503 points
EVGA OC'd 701/1752/2004 (Pretty much topped out) 8328 points



Conclusion: They are the same card, and the memory makes very little difference.

So, a DDR3 card outperforms a much higher clocked DDR2 card (seriously, the RAM is clocked 1/3 higher on the DDR2 card) while still having overclock headroom and they are pretty much the same :??: 
Sorry, I think your conclusions are very flawed.
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November 5, 2009 6:35:58 PM

jyjjy said:
I don't get it. Did you purposely not OC the ASUS card any higher so the scores would work out to be similar?


I gave them both a rough guesstimate of what worked. The EVGA puked. The ASUS (DDR3) still perhaps had headroom... They were what I felt was a rough OC ratio over stock. (doing the math, the EVGA was 25% over the memory, while the ASUS was 12%) The engine was ~15% for both. So not quite the same OC... my bad.

As far as your comment... the ASUS got a better score at a lower clock and a lower % OC.... for the win.....

I'd say they are very similar..... YMMV depending on OC. They are identical STOCK..... YMMV

I purposely did not OC the ASUS any higher because I was not after the limit of the card.... and to make people offer wild assumptions.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 6:48:47 PM

Well it seems like the proper conclusion is that they perform similarly at stock settings(stock in this case being that one of the cards has a factory OC) but the DDR3 card has a definite advantage once you OC. And they engines aren't on the same OC, they both use the same chip so the same OC would be the same speed. Just because EVGA factory OCed the card doesn't mean the ASUS isn't just capable of the exact same OC.
It also matters what resolution is used. Even at stock the DDR3 card should have a much larger memory bandwidth. At low resolutions that may not come into play but at higher ones it's likely pretty important.
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November 5, 2009 6:57:38 PM

outlw6669 said:
So, a DDR3 card outperforms a much higher clocked DDR2 card (seriously, the RAM is clocked 1/3 higher on the DDR2 card) while still having overclock headroom and they are pretty much the same :??: 
Sorry, I think your conclusions are very flawed.


Ummm, yeah.... That extra 27 points will make a huge difference gaming..... STOCK.

The difference between the two cards is huge, as far as memory clocks... sure. The scores are still similar. The DDR2 was higher clocked STOCK. How is that conclusion FLAWED?

My point was that people here made assumptions that there was a HUGE difference between these two cards.... I would assume STOCK, as the guy was using it in his wifes computer.....

If I get time, I'll throw the ASUS back in and run it higher, my guess it'll score 9000.... but I doubt it'll hit mem speed of 1800 for the same 1/3 over... but who really can make a comparison of OC'd GPU's and expect that to be the norm in that line of cards?

YMMV, but it'll be nearly the same STOCK.


Perhaps no one would be upset and claim my testing faulty had I not OC'd.... :sarcastic:  (Remember... they scored virtually identical STOCK)
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November 5, 2009 7:02:27 PM

jyjjy said:
Well it seems like the proper conclusion is that they perform similarly at stock settings(stock in this case being that one of the cards has a factory OC) but the DDR3 card has a definite advantage once you OC. And they engines aren't on the same OC, they both use the same chip so the same OC would be the same speed. Just because EVGA factory OCed the card doesn't mean the ASUS isn't just capable of the exact same OC.
It also matters what resolution is used. Even at stock the DDR3 card should have a much larger memory bandwidth. At low resolutions that may not come into play but at higher ones it's likely pretty important.


Good point, I never considered using the same engine clock as a baseline...... Resolutions were the same for testing, stock 3DMark06.... which is low by todays standards.


My original point was intended to compare stock cards...... (1 GB DDR2 Vs 512MB DDR3) :D  I sometimes stray from the intended path.
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a b U Graphics card
November 5, 2009 7:38:18 PM

A stock clocked card runs at nVidia's Specified Speeds (also Directly from nVidia).
For a g92 based 9600GSO (96Sp variant) that would be 550Mhz core, 1375Mhz shader and 800Mhz (1600Mhz DDR, DDR3 cards) or 500Mhz (1000Mhz DDR, DDR2 cards) for the RAM.
A factory overclocked card is still overclocked.

If you want to do a real comparison, clock both cards exactly the same and see what happens.
Saying both cards perform nearly the same because the weaker one is overclocked by EVGA = flawed thinking.
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November 6, 2009 10:32:36 PM

outlw6669 said:
A stock clocked card runs at nVidia's Specified Speeds (also Directly from nVidia).
For a g92 based 9600GSO (96Sp variant) that would be 550Mhz core, 1375Mhz shader and 800Mhz (1600Mhz DDR, DDR3 cards) or 500Mhz (1000Mhz DDR, DDR2 cards) for the RAM.
A factory overclocked card is still overclocked.

If you want to do a real comparison, clock both cards exactly the same and see what happens.
Saying both cards perform nearly the same because the weaker one is overclocked by EVGA = flawed thinking.


Screwed thinking is buying two cards, UNDERclocking one of them and making a comparison.....

I am not here to please you.

I did a real comparison, they are virtually identical... STOCK... as in "out of the box"... like a real person would obtain them, as in STOCK form... clear enough?
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a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2009 7:01:49 AM

It sounds like someone needs a hug.
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December 12, 2009 5:22:44 PM

i have the xfx 9600GSo 768Mb DDR2 overclocked.
stock setting are 580 core! 1450 shaer ,
my settings are 666Mhz core and 1666Mhz shader

, on my e2200 2.2 dual core oc'd to 3.0ghz
2 gigs of DDR2 Corsair , with win7 ult 64bit ,



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DIRT 2 ON a 42inch 1920x1080, i get 35FPS all settings on high and ULTRA heres the key to this card AA is OFF.
Turning AA off on this card is great inless your playing surpremcommander full AA on that games makes it run faster @ @.

Crysis Love that game also bumps 25-30 Fps on all High settings again no lag or slugish game play :) .

BTW THIS CARD IS Fairly over clock-able everything but the ram at least :) 
if ur going to get a HD card the 4770 gddr5 is the best way to go witch i have in my other dual core and gets Barly higher marks then the GSO ( altho its is a better card just cost a bit more).
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