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October 15, 2009 4:11:03 AM

I need some quick fast help. I already have a system build down using these.

Biostar Tpower i55
Intel Quad Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156
Radeon HD 5850

I was wanting to know if anyone could just send me a fast comparative throw together for AMD and a motherboard for it. Keeping the same graphics card in mind. Also would going AMD over what I have now be worth it honestly? Also I would take imput on a card for SLI on the Biostar vs the ATI card for Crossfire if your feeling bored enough.

Also I know people have preferences to brands so please I would prefer info/siting versus fanboy love.

Thank you very much guys for helping the nub.

(Not looking for a change your Intel motherboard etc comments just the AMD option and would it be worth it to go AMD vs Intel?)

(Note this build will not be finished for about 2 months from this Friday approximately)
October 15, 2009 4:12:02 AM

Also I am sorry about the bad grammar and English skills; not my strong suit. (but what is? : [ )
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October 15, 2009 4:26:20 AM

When you have $200+ to spend on a CPU Intel is the smarter move.

If you want to SLI then I'd wait for the GTX 300 series, buuut if I had to pick now I'd SLI 2 GTX 275s. If not stick with 2 5850s or hit up the 5870s.
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October 15, 2009 6:46:31 AM

Well that was what I was thinking on holding out on the video cards last. Am I wrong though, is my motherboard compatible for Crossfire? Because it says it is, ive read on places it is and seen test info but not seen it on the offical list. Because I might as well just use crossfire. But I dunno.
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October 15, 2009 7:12:08 AM

Taken from the Biostar website: "Support ATI CrossfireX and nVidia SLI Technology"

Source: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/t-power/introduction.p...

I personally wouldn't hold out for the GT300 series, from what i've heard its pretty heavily delayed and going to be released sometime in March (which may be too long for some). 2 5850's or a 5870 would be a really great choice.
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October 15, 2009 7:33:09 AM

Alright I'll probably just stick with the two 5850's like I was planning. In the end going with AMD would be cheaper but I wouldn't get what I really want overall. I just like having options and I just don't see going the route of AMD. Besides I can afford the i7-860 might as well get it. Im not going to dump more cash to go any higher then that though. Most id spend is about 320 $ on a processor.
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October 15, 2009 7:39:32 AM

Wait a month and the prices will lower a bit.

Wait until Fermi, more competition, lower prices.
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October 15, 2009 7:50:55 AM

If you use a phenom II quad you can spend more money on the rest(5870 instead of 5850) here is a link on Price per performance comparing the I7 and phenom II the I7 is a bit more powerful but its no runaway and the I7 setup costs $220 more read the conclusion it says that if you put an extra $220 into the AMD system the I7 would not stand a chance(better video card or second video card) http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=12

In short a phenom II with a 5870 will still beat an I7 with a 5850 for less money
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October 15, 2009 8:01:33 AM

If it just gaming, save money on the CPU and get Crossfire'd HD 5870s.
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October 15, 2009 8:33:42 AM

scirishman76 said:
If you use a phenom II quad you can spend more money on the rest(5870 instead of 5850) here is a link on Price per performance comparing the I7 and phenom II the I7 is a bit more powerful but its no runaway and the I7 setup costs $220 more read the conclusion it says that if you put an extra $220 into the AMD system the I7 would not stand a chance(better video card or second video card) http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=12

In short a phenom II with a 5870 will still beat an I7 with a 5850 for less money


Pssssttt.... buddy...... wrong Core i7.

The one in this review is for a Core i7 920 on the LGA 1366 platform needing triple channel DDR3 and a X58 mobo:

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=3

He wants a P55 mobo, Core i7 860 (LGA1156) and dual channel DDR3. Which makes the cost difference quite a bit less than $220.....

For the OP:

Mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Same GPU.

About $100 difference but thats the CPU you need to get about the same performance because of the Core i7s Turbo OCing mode.

Also, you can drop the mobo in price quite a bit but normally its better to compare eqivalent priced options and see whats better for the price. The only thing the AMD system truly has is dual full 16x PCIe 2.0 lanes but it wont bottleneck anything yet since PCIe 2.0 is far from saturated.

Also, why not get this mobo? Same maker and same CFX capabilities but about $40 bucks cheaper. And same chipset too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Unless you plan to OC it a lot, then get the one you have as it has much better caps on it.
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October 15, 2009 9:00:15 AM

jimmysmitty said:
Pssssttt.... buddy...... wrong Core i7.

The one in this review is for a Core i7 920 on the LGA 1366 platform needing triple channel DDR3 and a X58 mobo:

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=3

He wants a P55 mobo, Core i7 860 (LGA1156) and dual channel DDR3. Which makes the cost difference quite a bit less than $220.....

For the OP:

Mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Same GPU.

About $100 difference but thats the CPU you need to get about the same performance because of the Core i7s Turbo OCing mode.

Also, you can drop the mobo in price quite a bit but normally its better to compare eqivalent priced options and see whats better for the price. The only thing the AMD system truly has is dual full 16x PCIe 2.0 lanes but it wont bottleneck anything yet since PCIe 2.0 is far from saturated.

Also, why not get this mobo? Same maker and same CFX capabilities but about $40 bucks cheaper. And same chipset too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Unless you plan to OC it a lot, then get the one you have as it has much better caps on it.


same principal still applies here is a 3 way CF 790FX 2@16X for $109 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and a Phenom II 955 X4 3.2GHz(same capabilities as the 965X4)for $189 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total cost $298
VS
I7 860 $289 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
on the board you suggested which $139
total cost $428 and crossfire is only 2 way possible and only @8X
cost difference $130 cost difference between the 5850 and 5870 $120.$10 cheaper true 16X CF and 3 way capable and will surely Pwn the I7 setup in gaming
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October 15, 2009 12:46:17 PM

scirishman76 said:
same principal still applies here is a 3 way CF 790FX 2@16X for $109 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and a Phenom II 955 X4 3.2GHz(same capabilities as the 965X4)for $189 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
total cost $298
VS
I7 860 $289 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
on the board you suggested which $139
total cost $428 and crossfire is only 2 way possible and only @8X
cost difference $130 cost difference between the 5850 and 5870 $120.$10 cheaper true 16X CF and 3 way capable and will surely Pwn the I7 setup in gaming


You're making too much sense for these intelheads to understand.
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October 15, 2009 3:14:47 PM

@scirishmaan76: Well then my question is would the scaling of the 3rd card really be worth it? Or would it just be better to go with two 5870.

The cost comparioson when going between the Intel i7 + Motherboard + Gcards and AMD + Motherboard + Gcards is under 100 dollars (lower than 50)

I really don't want to run more then two video cards to be honest. Unless the 3 way Crossfire with the 5850 would scale and be worth it compaired to two 5870s.

So the question ignoring the 5850 to 5870 would be would the power diffrence in the processor with two = cards be worth the increase in cost or is it pretty much just a wasted amount of extra cash?

Also lets assume nothing is overclocked etc so its just on a base level comparison.
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October 15, 2009 3:32:12 PM

I mean cost break down is.

Intel w/ 2x 5850:

185 + 289 + 280 + 280 = 1034

vs.

AMD w/ 2x 5850:

109 + 189 + 280 + 280 = 858

or

AMD w/ 3x 5850:

109 + 189 + 280 + 280 + 280 = 1138

or

AMD w/ 2x 5870:

109 + 189 + 390 + 390 = 1078

I would rather go two 5870 vs 3x 5850s though to be honest. But still by price comparison.
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