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Such thing as a Closed Loop cpu and gpu water cooler?

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August 13, 2011 1:11:00 AM

Just as the title asks. I have a H50, I want to see if there is anything better that can cool both, within $100?
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August 14, 2011 1:41:05 AM

Yes, but most for GPUs are difficult to find. For under $100, replace the stock air cooler with another air cooler or just...stick with air.
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August 14, 2011 6:49:40 PM

About how much would it cost to make a custom liquid loop? Not for ridiculous oc, I'm just gonna raise my Phenom II x4 to 3.8. I don't know if I really need to add the gpu into a loop as well.
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August 15, 2011 4:09:47 PM

$200 can get you a very good custom loop...even less depending on how frugal you want to be.
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August 15, 2011 4:24:56 PM

PNY makes a closed loop system (like H50) that's pre-attached to their GTX 580. There are two versions. One is just the gtx 580. The other comes with a cpu block as well. This of course assumes you want to buy a GTX 580. Both models run somewhere between $500-$600 I think. I know not exactly what you were looking for in the OP but decided to throw that out there.

It's another option. I personally wouldn't dream of trying to watercool a gtx 580 and a cpu on a single 120mm radiator but its out there lol. I personally wouldn't consider this product but had to share.

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August 15, 2011 4:41:25 PM

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I personally wouldn't dream of trying to watercool a gtx 580 and a cpu on a single 120mm radiator but its out there


I concur. Most people shouldn't be watercooling an overclocked i5 or i7 (4.0ghz+) on anything less than with a 2x120 rad. But, you can sell the hell out of a cooler if people can tell all their friends they 'watercool'...regardless of the results. There are good uses for an LCS cooler...most people don't understand cooling thresholds of a cooler.
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August 15, 2011 7:05:27 PM

The highest I'm going for a gfx card is a HD 6850. I can definitely pay $200 to build a custom loop. Since I'm running the x4 965, do I need a good rad with at least a push/pull system?
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August 15, 2011 7:19:52 PM

Coastaltuba said:
The highest I'm going for a gfx card is a HD 6850. I can definitely pay $200 to build a custom loop. Since I'm running the x4 965, do I need a good rad with at least a push/pull system?

You certainly don't need it if you're only going to be taking your X4 965 to 3.8 Ghz, you can do that on air. But you can put your loop together and upgrade it progressively- get a 240 and then two quality fans for a push-only config. Then when you want to go for a big overclock, you can grab two more quality radiator fans and hopefully get north of 4.3Ghz. (I'm stable at ~4.1 with an H50 in push/pull with safe temps on my 965)
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August 15, 2011 7:59:59 PM

XSPC RASA 750, comes with all you need to start (CPU only) for $130
-2 fan 120mm radiator, with fans
-5.25" bay resevoir pump combo
- CPU block and brackets
-fittings
-tubing
-other accessories
-easy to add other blocks later
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August 15, 2011 8:18:13 PM

Rasa RX series is better than Rasa RS series...if you have the cash, RS rads are the way to go between these 2 lines of kits.
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August 15, 2011 10:50:51 PM

So, I have to use the 5.25 bays? Maybe I need to get a newer case. I have the Rosewill Challenger. it only comes with 3 bays, and I have two of them used, one for a dvd player and one for a fan controller. Anyway, seeing as this case has horrible cable management, I need to get a new one anyway. Should I just go ahead and get a full sized tower?
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August 15, 2011 11:12:46 PM

Could also eliminate your case airflow issues and might not even need a loop.
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August 15, 2011 11:16:54 PM

True, true. What would be a good one near $120? I was looking at this one

but I'm not sure. What about a Haf 922? It has the dimensions of a full tower, and would look like a killing machine with a water cooled loop in it. I really want to get into water cooling, as I want to start oc more, and higher, but I can only go so far with the H50.
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August 18, 2011 6:28:01 PM

There's also the NZXT Tempest or Phantoms in that price range, Rosewill Blackhawk, Antec 900 or 902, a couple classy Lian-Li cases too, among others. I would read the reviews and see what people say about watercooling, or google the name+watercooling and see what results show up
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August 20, 2011 8:51:53 PM

$649?!!! Yeah, no...
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August 21, 2011 6:48:59 AM

Coastaltuba said:
$649?!!! Yeah, no...

most of that cost is due to the fact that it's attached to a gtx 580.

personally, I would never dream of using a closed loop LCS system on one, let alone two, components in my system. Go with real water or don't bother.
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August 21, 2011 1:39:35 PM

Good point...I guess I'll be spending at least $150 at least.
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August 21, 2011 2:29:55 PM

bejabbers said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think something like that is what you're looking for. HOWEVER, I would highly recommend against using such a product. Someone was smoking a lot of crack if they really thought that a single 120mm radiator could cool a video card and CPU.

I don't do the crack thing, but was probably smoking something when I did this



Q9650 @ 4.0 and an overclocked GTX 260, mid 50's ( cpu ) and low 60's ( gpu ) under gaming load, nowhere near what a custom loop could do but not bad at all, graphics temps went down 20c from the stock cooler, cpu only went up about 10c.
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August 21, 2011 3:18:51 PM

Oh dear God, what the hell is that?
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August 22, 2011 2:34:37 PM

He frankenstein'd together an H50/H70 to use a GPU block. A lot of people have done it.

Didn't you also mod an H50 to a GPU? Am I smoking crack thinking that?
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August 22, 2011 9:33:30 PM

delluser1 said:
I don't do the crack thing, but was probably smoking something when I did this

]http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/contrvlr/th_SDC10349.jpg

Q9650 @ 4.0 and an overclocked GTX 260, mid 50's ( cpu ) and low 60's ( gpu ) under gaming load, nowhere near what a custom loop could do but not bad at all, graphics temps went down 20c from the stock cooler, cpu only went up about 10c.


teehee... I have one of those antec goose neck fans too. How do like it? Mine's way too noisy on anything but low.

I've had a push/pull H50 on a Q6600 at 3.6ghz / 1.45v and I really couldn't imagine it cooling an enthusiast graphics card at the same time. Glad it works for you. The farthest I went altering my H50 was flattening and polishing the cpu block. I'm too scared I might ruin it.

To the OP, do plenty of testing with air, is all i can really say. I'm about to switch to water, but haven't placed the order yet. From what I've read and seen, if you use the typical 25-35mm radiators, push/pull has an advantage. If you go with a radiator at 54-60mm thick, supposedly a push or a pull will likely suffice, depending on whether you are aiming for mainly performance, or low noise.

I'm leaving it to the experts to make actual recommendations.
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August 22, 2011 9:39:22 PM

Alright, well what do you think will go into a HAF 912? Air cooling wise? Not worried about price, more performance than anything.
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August 22, 2011 10:00:53 PM

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I've had a push/pull H50 on a Q6600 at 3.6ghz / 1.45


Why so much? I run my Q6600 @ 3.2-3.4 on 1.225v, but might just be an issue of what your actual VID is. Is yours a B3 or a G0?

Anyway...push/pull nets you an increase regardless of rad thickness.
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August 22, 2011 10:08:09 PM

Here's the newegg video review of the haf 912

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfNP0W3AJrA&feature=play...

The cooling system comes with 1 120mm fan in the front, supports a 2nd one, or supports a 200mm single fan in front of the 3.5" HDD bays. I would test in its stock configuration, but if you only use 1 or 2 drives, you could remove the top bay, and with the 200mm fan, there'd be plenty of "unobstructed" airflow directly to the gpu.

The rear fan is 120mm, so that usually indicates the case could support something as large as the noctua nh-d14 (so long as there is no fan on the door panel). Those are a bit pricey, so a good less expensive but great performer, would be the cooler master hyper 212 for less than half the price of the noctua.

The side panel supports a 120mm or a 140mm fan. Depending on what cpu cooler you choose, this may not fit. If it does fit, then its usefulness may depend on what you chose for air cooling at the front of the case. If that cooling is sufficient, you may not need a side panel fan. This may then open the door for some fun modding, like cutting out a pretty window.

The top of the case supports 2 x 120mm fans or a single 200mm fan. I'm a big fan of the 200-230mm fans, as they move quite a bit of air and are pretty quiet. The 200mm fan also allows the option of introducing a lot of light w/ led models (nice if you did a window mod at some point).

I looks like a pretty nice case and you can fit in 12" graphics cards if you remove the top 3.5" bay. The case is also just under 19" tall too, so it'll fit in most places pretty easily.
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August 22, 2011 10:13:10 PM

...I think I said that wrong. But that is informative, so I thank you for that. now I can alter my fan config. What I really meant was what is the best heatsink and fan combo that will fit in the case. Sorry for not checking what I say.
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August 22, 2011 10:17:09 PM

rubix_1011 said:
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I've had a push/pull H50 on a Q6600 at 3.6ghz / 1.45


Why so much? I run my Q6600 @ 3.2-3.4 on 1.225v, but might just be an issue of what your actual VID is. Is yours a B3 or a G0?

Anyway...push/pull nets you an increase regardless of rad thickness.


It's a G0 with a VID of 1.25. I don't consider prime95 24hr stable to be necessary at all for a pure gaming rig. I did however want to see it at least run prime95 for an hour to gauge worst-case scenario temperatures, and it takes 1.45v to do that. That's the setting in bios and the asus p5n-d motherboard has soo much vdroop (Im assuming this is why) its necessary.
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August 22, 2011 10:23:15 PM

Coastaltuba said:
...I think I said that wrong. But that is informative, so I thank you for that. now I can alter my fan config. What I really meant was what is the best heatsink and fan combo that will fit in the case. Sorry for not checking what I say.


It's ok. I really feel like "talking" today. It could be the meds. It's also helping me adjust to my new keyboard... can always use the practice.

Well the best heatsink / fan combo I can think of would be the noctua nh-d14 and its included fans. The silver arrow wins and loses some battles to it. You would certainly want to check noctua's compatibility charts for your other hardware components. My RAM has a slightly taller heatsink than stock ram and the noctua covers all 4 slots of ram with 2 or 3mm to spare. If you don't like the look of the fans on the noctua, replacement fans of good quality may only suffer a gain of 3-8 degrees delta, on average. That's an educated guess on what reviews I've seen. With the low buy in price of the hyper 212, you could beef up the fan(s) and still come in under the initial cost of a noctua. Does that help? I want to be helpful today.
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August 22, 2011 10:23:26 PM

Yeah, likely so. Vdroop can cause you some headaches depending on BIOS. I agree...I don't run Prime for hours and hours...I'll run it for 15-30 mins and if it works...its good for me. I'm not that fanatical about Prime95 running for 2 days to call it solid.
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August 22, 2011 10:28:38 PM

Is there that big of a difference between the temps on a 212+ and a Noctua? If not, then hell, I'll just get the 212+, knock off the big 3.5 bay, install a 200mm superfan on the front, and one on top, then have two good 120mm fans as well. It should be a cooling dream, that is, if I do it right.
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August 22, 2011 10:34:49 PM

I only have a noctua (CPU's at 4.6ghz). It delivers the performance at extremely low noise (i use software for recording / mixing audio and video, where the graphics cards are idling). That aspect is irrelevant though once you start gaming of course (gpu fans).

The configuration you laid out should be killer.
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August 22, 2011 10:37:12 PM

oh yeah, also put a dual hdd fan in, I'm only using two hdd, and one ssd. Also adding a vga slide with fans in it.
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