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July 21, 2009 3:03:47 PM

I've been thinking of building my own computer. Already thought of the parts. All that is left is suggestions and approval from the pros =)

My main concern is if all the parts are going to work good with each other. If not, by all means recommend some other ones.
Otherwise i just want it to last for a couple of years as a good computer.

The only limits are:
1. Nothing from ATI - i'm more of an Intel person
2. The system should be 32 bits.
3. Price limit should be somewhere around $1500-2000 - i'd rather not go to $2000


Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3,0GHz s775 with fan

CPU cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT

Motherboard: ASUS P5Q-E

RAM: Kingston ValueRAM DDR3 PC10600 1333MHz 2GB + Kingston ValueRAM DDR3 PC10600 1333MHz 1GB
3GB total

Video Card- one of the following:
ASUS GEFORCE GTX 285 1GB
ASUS GEFORCE GTX260 896MB
ASUS GEFORCE GTX280 1GB

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Green 640GB SATA2

Power Supply, Case & Optical Drive: (Recommend a cheap one)


I appreciate any help, thanks in advance =)

/Arvin
July 21, 2009 3:34:03 PM

bcake said:
1. Nothing from ATI - i'm more of an Intel person


I think you mean "AMD," but I guess they're one-in-the-same now. For what you're looking for, I think you can lower your budget drastically. I'm only up to speed on the i7 CPUs (haven't built since single-core days), so I can't offer much advice, but for $1500-2000, you could really build a top-of-the-line i7 system. If you don't plan on gaming or other heavy use, stick with a less powerful rig with a budget MUCH lower than that!

I know the other folks here will be happy to comment further.
July 21, 2009 3:55:08 PM

It would be easier to give recommendations if you were more specific about your intended usage. I assume it's for gaming based on your video card selection. What is your target screen resolution? Do you plan to overclock? Do you want SLI, or at least the option to SLI in the future? A Core 2 Duo build would probably be OK for a couple years (as well as costing you below $1000), but it may be a better option to go with a Core i7 since you budget would easily accommodate it.

On your current parts list:
1. There are better CPU coolers than the Zalman. The Ximgatek Dark Knight is a good alternative.
2. Your motherboard supports DDR2 memory, not the DDR3 you selected.
3. A Western Digital Caviar Black HDD is a better performance option, compared to the Green.
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July 21, 2009 4:18:20 PM

drokkon said:
I think you mean "AMD," but I guess they're one-in-the-same now. For what you're looking for, I think you can lower your budget drastically. I'm only up to speed on the i7 CPUs (haven't built since single-core days), so I can't offer much advice, but for $1500-2000, you could really build a top-of-the-line i7 system. If you don't plan on gaming or other heavy use, stick with a less powerful rig with a budget MUCH lower than that!

I know the other folks here will be happy to comment further.


Well AMD too, but no i meant ATI. Nono i'm planning on intense gaming. All i want to do is make smart decisions to save the money. Also i could get i7 but in that case i want a strong dual core rather than a weak quad core, which i cant find.

Thanks for your help
July 21, 2009 4:26:51 PM

for the money you're willing to drop on this system, get an i7 and a Corsair H50, and an ATi 4890 for now and later an ATi 5870.

I know you said nothing from ATi but they are far, far ahead of nvidia, by around 3 to 4 quarters. and since it's AMD, you know it'll be cheap, around $250 for the gfx card. and just to add, that 5870's (1 GPU) specs would put it's performance close to the GTX 295 (2 GPU's), it would probably beat it by a fair margin when oc'ed for a lot less $, lower heat output and lower energy usage.

For the i7, the reason is that, i7's overclock better than dual cores, by a good bit, that corsair H50 should get you to 4.7GHz with ease, try 5GHz if you're willing to. In comparison the same cooler would get that E8400 to 4.4-4.5GHz.
July 21, 2009 5:45:30 PM

hecto said:
It would be easier to give recommendations if you were more specific about your intended usage. I assume it's for gaming based on your video card selection. What is your target screen resolution? Do you plan to overclock? Do you want SLI, or at least the option to SLI in the future? A Core 2 Duo build would probably be OK for a couple years (as well as costing you below $1000), but it may be a better option to go with a Core i7 since you budget would easily accommodate it.

On your current parts list:
1. There are better CPU coolers than the Zalman. The Ximgatek Dark Knight is a good alternative.
2. Your motherboard supports DDR2 memory, not the DDR3 you selected.
3. A Western Digital Caviar Black HDD is a better performance option, compared to the Green.



Yes it is for gaming. I was thinking of going for a Full HD 23" monitor sometime later this year, so 1920x1080 Otherwise i would like to play games like Crysis with at least 1280x800.
No i would not like to overclock. Instead I would like to use the money wisely in order not to overclock.
As for SLI, i'm not really sure what it means.
I looked for Core i7 but could only find a quad core, which i dont want. I want a strong dual core rather than a weak quad core since i heard its better for games that way.
As far as i know i'm not even sure if they have a dual core i7, all i know is that i live in Sweden so supplies are limited :p 

Would a Core i7 be compatibe with everything that i have?
What is the big differance between DDR2 and DDR3? Is it worth changing motherboard for?

As i said, i dont want to spend $2000, only if i feel its absolutely worth it. Lets keep the price at $1500 for now.

Thanks =)
July 21, 2009 5:51:30 PM

Even the lowest i7 out performs any dual core at EVERY task. With your budget you really should get an i7 920 build as the i7 does more per clock cycle than any other chip out there and easily beats chips clocked at over 3GHz before overclocking.

For an i7 you are going to need a different motherboard and ram and it is definitely do able within a 1500 budget.
July 21, 2009 6:15:05 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
for the money you're willing to drop on this system, get an i7 and a Corsair H50, and an ATi 4890 for now and later an ATi 5870.

I know you said nothing from ATi but they are far, far ahead of nvidia, by around 3 to 4 quarters. and since it's AMD, you know it'll be cheap, around $250 for the gfx card. and just to add, that 5870's (1 GPU) specs would put it's performance close to the GTX 295 (2 GPU's), it would probably beat it by a fair margin when oc'ed for a lot less $, lower heat output and lower energy usage.

For the i7, the reason is that, i7's overclock better than dual cores, by a good bit, that corsair H50 should get you to 4.7GHz with ease, try 5GHz if you're willing to. In comparison the same cooler would get that E8400 to 4.4-4.5GHz.


Dont ATI require 64-bit system?
And according to 3dsmark06 GTX 285 is better than 4890.
July 21, 2009 7:50:22 PM

hunter315 said:
Even the lowest i7 out performs any dual core at EVERY task. With your budget you really should get an i7 920 build as the i7 does more per clock cycle than any other chip out there and easily beats chips clocked at over 3GHz before overclocking.

For an i7 you are going to need a different motherboard and ram and it is definitely do able within a 1500 budget.



Could you recommend something good?

I'd prefer an ASUS motherboard and Kingston RAM
July 21, 2009 8:08:07 PM

bcake said:
Well AMD too, but no i meant ATI. Nono i'm planning on intense gaming. All i want to do is make smart decisions to save the money. Also i could get i7 but in that case i want a strong dual core rather than a weak quad core, which i cant find.

Thanks for your help



Its not a smart decision to to ignore the possibility of AMD and ATI which offer better value than intel in your price range .

Its also not smart to buy C2D when thats at the end of its product life and is being phased out
July 21, 2009 8:23:12 PM

Well i just dont want to have a 64 bit system. And AMD lives off 64-bits, so thats my concern.

Thanks for some vaild points =)
July 21, 2009 8:35:57 PM

You dont HAVE to have a 64 bit system, as all processors support 32 bit modes. However, in this day and age there is no good reason for refusing to get a 64 bit processor and a 64 bit OS as you cant use more than ~3.2GB of ram otherwise. Here is what i would suggest getting on your budget, someone else can suggest an after market cooler.

Asus p6t/i7 920 $480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

6GB OCZ Platinum CL7 $116
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

WD Caviar Black 1TB $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 850TX PSU $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 902 Case $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2xXFX 4890 1GB @ 900MHz $220 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Comes out to $1446 without shipping or rebates, if you insist on no ATI for some strange reason then you can also get 2 GTX 275's for $210 each but the 4890's will out perform them
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 21, 2009 8:52:16 PM

hunter315 said:
You dont HAVE to have a 64 bit system, as all processors support 32 bit modes. However, in this day and age there is no good reason for refusing to get a 64 bit processor and a 64 bit OS as you cant use more than ~3.2GB of ram otherwise. Here is what i would suggest getting on your budget, someone else can suggest an after market cooler.

Asus p6t/i7 920 $480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

6GB OCZ Platinum CL7 $116
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

WD Caviar Black 1TB $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 850TX PSU $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 902 Case $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2xXFX 4890 1GB @ 900MHz $220 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Comes out to $1446 without shipping or rebates, if you insist on no ATI for some strange reason then you can also get 2 GTX 275's for $210 each but the 4890's will out perform them
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Thank you for the effort.

So far i really dont see the point in getting 2 video cards. I'm not gonna use them both. Same with RAM, i'll get 3gb

Also as far as i know, in 3dsmark06 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 got 12482 points while ATI Radeon HD 4890 got 10778.

http://service.futuremark.com/hardware/graphicsCardsLis...

Lastly, everything else you suggested sounds great, but some of the products arent available in Sweden =(
I'll post an updated decision soon.
July 21, 2009 8:54:52 PM

bcake said:
Well i just dont want to have a 64 bit system. And AMD lives off 64-bits, so thats my concern.

Thanks for some vaild points =)



all intel processors are 64 bit now too , but just like AMD they run 32 bit without problems .

And of course with a 32 bit version of windows you will run into the RAM limit very quickly . Your computer will be able to see and use only about 3.3 gig of RAM INCLUDING THE RAM ON YOUR GFX CARD .
which means your gfx card selections strangle system performance even more .

All 32 bit applications run fine on 64 bit OS's so there is no reason to not plan a 64 bit OS computer , and there is no reason to rule AMD out of the picture

July 21, 2009 8:59:07 PM

You do realize you are using a synthetic benchmark to compare in game performance right? Look at benchmarks for the games that you want to play and see which card performs better in them, for example the 4890 beats a GTX 275 in Fallout 3 at 1920x1200 with max AA and AF but loses to it slightly in Farcry 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...

What sites in sweden are equivalent to newegg so that i can give you one with accurate prices.
July 21, 2009 8:59:56 PM

Outlander_04 said:
all intel processors are 64 bit now too , but just like AMD they run 32 bit without problems .

And of course with a 32 bit version of windows you will run into the RAM limit very quickly . Your computer will be able to see and use only about 3.3 gig of RAM INCLUDING THE RAM ON YOUR GFX CARD .
which means your gfx card selections strangle system performance even more .

All 32 bit applications run fine on 64 bit OS's so there is no reason to not plan a 64 bit OS computer , and there is no reason to rule AMD out of the picture


So what exactly is the downside to 64-bit systems?

I heard that there are a lot of compatibility problems. That if you're looking for a program you will have to find it for 64 bits.

You're telling me that this isnt true?
July 21, 2009 9:02:02 PM

hunter315 said:
You do realize you are using a synthetic benchmark to compare in game performance right? Look at benchmarks for the games that you want to play and see which card performs better in them, for example the 4890 beats a GTX 275 in Fallout 3 at 1920x1200 with max AA and AF but loses to it slightly in Farcry 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...

What sites in sweden are equivalent to newegg so that i can give you one with accurate prices.



www.netonnet.se is the best store here. I also live close the the warehouse, so i dont pay extra costs.
July 21, 2009 9:04:22 PM

nope, there were initial issues with windows xp 64 bit, but vista and windows 7 64 bit fixed those issues. You have to get 64 bit drivers, but you always have to carefully select your drivers, and 64 bit programs will run better but there are no more compatibility issues with a 64 bit os than with a 32 bit one. Windows 7 RC 64 bit has been quite stable for me so far.
July 21, 2009 9:07:58 PM

bcake said:
So what exactly is the downside to 64-bit systems?

I heard that there are a lot of compatibility problems. That if you're looking for a program you will have to find it for 64 bits.

You're telling me that this isnt true?



You dont need 64 bit programs . All the 32 bit programs run fine .

If you have older peripherals like say printers and scanner more than 2-3 years old then you might not be able to find a 64 bit driver . The manufacturers didnt write them because almost no one had 64 bit versions of windows .
Its very unlikely you would run in to that problem with any printer you bought today , but its a simple thing to check that a 64 bit driver is available for download .

July 21, 2009 9:43:03 PM

Heres a new list i thought of after hearing some good comments.


CHOICE 1:

Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 2.66 GHz

RAM: Kingston ValueRAM DDR3 PC10600 1333MHz 2GB + Kingston ValueRAM DDR3 PC10600 1333MHz 1GB

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD4890 1GB GDDR5

CPU Cooler: Xigmatek Red Scorpion S1283

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB SATA2

Case: Antec 902


CHOICE 2:

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 2.66 GHz

Motherboard: Asus M3A78 PRO

Video card: Radeon HD4890 1GB GDDR5

RAM: 4GB Kingston 800Mhz

HDD: 2x Western Digital Caviar Green 640GB SATA2 (green= quiet)

Case: Antec Three Hundred

Power Supply: Axpertec Xion 630W Version 2.20 SLI Ready


I should warn that a 64-bit system might make me use Xp, which has problems with 64-bit. Windows 7 isnt out yet in Sweden.


Give your opinions.

July 21, 2009 10:13:25 PM

That PSU is a no no, get something of a better brand like antec, seasonic, corsair, PC Power and Cooling or OCZ.

And that isnt even a choice, the second build has a chance in hell of catching up to the first because it is PHYSICALLY INCOMPATIBLE. You cannot put an i7 on an AMD motherboard, sockets arent even close.
July 21, 2009 10:26:47 PM

I'm not sure what the RAM market looks like in Sweden, but here in the US you can get a 6GB (3x2GB) kit for $100 or less. The i7 architecture has three RAM channels, so you want 3x1GB, 3x2GB, 6x2GB, etc. THG basically says that you won't see much benefit after 6GB, but I definitely wouldn't settle for 3GB on your budget (and would avoid 4GB like the plague).
July 21, 2009 10:27:14 PM

hunter315 said:
That PSU is a no no, get something of a better brand like antec, seasonic, corsair, PC Power and Cooling or OCZ.

And that isnt even a choice, the second build has a chance in hell of catching up to the first because it is PHYSICALLY INCOMPATIBLE. You cannot put an i7 on an AMD motherboard, sockets arent even close.


How can i change it in order to keep 64-bit system and the CPU?

And about the PSU, how many watts should one get these days?

Could you recommend one that will fit for both choices?
July 21, 2009 10:31:25 PM

drokkon said:
I'm not sure what the RAM market looks like in Sweden, but here in the US you can get a 6GB (3x2GB) kit for $100 or less. The i7 architecture has three RAM channels, so you want 3x1GB, 3x2GB, 6x2GB, etc. THG basically says that you won't see much benefit after 6GB, but I definitely wouldn't settle for 3GB on your budget (and would avoid 4GB like the plague).


Yeah its pretty much as u mentioned it here in sweden too.

What i dont want is 6gb of RAM, because i will never use it. Whats wrong with 4GB?
July 21, 2009 10:33:16 PM

Does the ATI video card work in the first choice?
July 21, 2009 10:34:31 PM

Get this memory kit instead(just checked the link, seems to bring you to the memory page, anyway i mean the one with 3 sticks), it costs more than the two sticks you were going to pick but gives you a significant performance increase over that weird ram configuration.
http://www.netonnet.se/index.asp?sid=1007257

I would also suggest getting this PSU instead, its significantly more expensive but thats because corsair makes good PSUs
http://www.netonnet.se/index.asp?sid=1007257

Im just ignoring your second choice all together because i cant salvage it without completely redoing it and my swedish isnt good enough to redo it. The ATI card will work in the first choice just fine.
July 21, 2009 10:53:28 PM

hunter315 said:
Get this memory kit instead(just checked the link, seems to bring you to the memory page, anyway i mean the one with 3 sticks), it costs more than the two sticks you were going to pick but gives you a significant performance increase over that weird ram configuration.
http://www.netonnet.se/index.asp?sid=1007257

I would also suggest getting this PSU instead, its significantly more expensive but thats because corsair makes good PSUs
http://www.netonnet.se/index.asp?sid=1007257

Im just ignoring your second choice all together because i cant salvage it without completely redoing it and my swedish isnt good enough to redo it. The ATI card will work in the first choice just fine.



The two links are the same. So get me a new link for the PSU, otherwise you can just give me the name.

Isnt the fist choice a 32-bit system? Now i'm confused, how can 6GB RAM work with that?
July 21, 2009 10:58:31 PM

I meant the corsair 650TX, and the Kingston Hyperx Ram.

A 32 bit system cannot make use of the full 6GB, only about 3.2ish, but the i7 uses triple channel ram, without using triple channel and by using modules of different sizes you take a significant performance loss and you will have to buy even more ram when you eventually do upgrade to a 64-bit system. It is obvious this is confusing for you, i suggest you read up on 64-bit systems and what makes an i7 run best.

The first choice will run a 64 or a 32 bit OS just fine, but you really should just pay the tiny bit extra for a 64 bit OS, there is no reason not to.
July 21, 2009 11:14:41 PM

hunter315 said:
I meant the corsair 650TX, and the Kingston Hyperx Ram.

A 32 bit system cannot make use of the full 6GB, only about 3.2ish, but the i7 uses triple channel ram, without using triple channel and by using modules of different sizes you take a significant performance loss and you will have to buy even more ram when you eventually do upgrade to a 64-bit system. It is obvious this is confusing for you, i suggest you read up on 64-bit systems and what makes an i7 run best.

The first choice will run a 64 or a 32 bit OS just fine, but you really should just pay the tiny bit extra for a 64 bit OS, there is no reason not to.


Ok i always thought that the hardware used determines either 32- or 64 bit. Didnt know that 64-bit compatible hardware could run 32-bit OS.
How would i know how many watts are good for the PSU? Could a bad PSU damage your other hardware components?

Thank you for all help, i may have a few questions by tomorrow. Gonna sleep now.
July 21, 2009 11:27:39 PM

A bad PSU can send a power surge through the system and take down every other component in the entire build. If you are running 1 4890 or GTX275 650 watts will be fine, if you want to run a second one you will need upgrade to the 750 watt corsair. I would stick with the corsair PSU's over the axpertec's and cooler master's because i have never heard of the first and corsair makes better power supplies than cooler master.
July 22, 2009 8:12:44 AM

hunter315 said:
A bad PSU can send a power surge through the system and take down every other component in the entire build. If you are running 1 4890 or GTX275 650 watts will be fine, if you want to run a second one you will need upgrade to the 750 watt corsair. I would stick with the corsair PSU's over the axpertec's and cooler master's because i have never heard of the first and corsair makes better power supplies than cooler master.


I feel like i have too much RAM, as far as i know i'm never gonna open Crysis, Assassin's Creed and Photoshop at the same time =P

Would it be a bad idea to get 2x 2GB? Since the i7 architecture has three RAM channels, is it ok to leave one of the channels empty? Its considerably cheaper this way.
July 22, 2009 9:17:59 AM

Nvm i found an upgrading packet containing

Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58
Corsair XMS 6GB DDR3 1333MHz
Intel Core i7 920 2.66 GHz
For $903
July 22, 2009 9:39:29 AM

Crysis uses a lot of ram, I've seen over 5GB of ram usage just running Crysis in vista64, and vista64 isn't as bad as what people make it out to be, especially when SP1 or SP2 is applied.

July 22, 2009 10:18:21 AM

UDPDATE:

Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 2.66 GHz

RAM: Corsair XMS 6GB DDR3 1333MHz

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD4890 1GB GDDR5

CPU Cooler: Xigmatek Red Scorpion S1283

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB SATA2

Case: Antec 902

Is the RAM only one stick of 6GB? Is that good?
July 22, 2009 11:04:26 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
Crysis uses a lot of ram, I've seen over 5GB of ram usage just running Crysis in vista64, and vista64 isn't as bad as what people make it out to be, especially when SP1 or SP2 is applied.


Vista is the biggest OS failure i've ever seen. My laptop came preinstalled with it, making me downgrade to XP. For this new 64-bit computer i'll have either Win7 or XP

btw whats you opinion on the RAM? Corsair XMS 6GB DDR3 1333MHz. Is it only one stick of 6GB? Is that good?

July 22, 2009 11:35:01 AM

Hi bcake

Another swede here :) 

There are only a few retailers i completely trust in sweden. I've had some bad luck with a few others and since there are a few that are damn good, then why shop around? Sometimes it's worth it to pay a few bucks extra for good support and next day delivery.

I either shop at http://www.komplett.se or preferably http://www.dustinhome.se
Most of my purchases have been from dustinhome and I've never had a single problem (have bought parts for a few PC's and a couple of netbooks and a lot of other stuff)
As long as you order before 14.00 and all the items are in stock then you are practically guaranteed next day delivery and you can track everything online.

The upgrade package you found is about the same as this one but this is a complete package
http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010308461.aspx
Price: 12295kr (about 1230 euros)

Components:
Antec Three Hundred Ultimate Gamer (art. nr. 5010142536)
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58 (art. nr. 5010206703)
Intel Core i7 920 (art. nr. 5010191763)
Corsair 6GB DDR3 XMS3 Intel (art. nr. 5010197229)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1TB (art. nr. 5010213276)
Asus Radeon HD4890 1GB (art. nr. 5010295872)
Zalman Silent 600W (art. nr. 5010099774)
Samsung DVD±RW 22x (art. nr. 5010317389)


Here is another package but this one is based on ADM CPU instead, a few thousand (kr) cheaper though. Should perform quite nicely.
http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010304752.aspx
Price: 8995 kr (about 900 euros)

Components:
Antec Three Hundred (art. nr. 5010142536)
Asus M4A78-E ATX (art. nr. 5010213500)
AMD Phenom II X4 940 (art. nr. 5010206414)
Corsair TX 650 Watt (art. nr. 5010132220)
ATI Radeon HD4890 1GB PCI-Express (art. nr. 5010267453)
Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MHz 4 GB (art. nr. 5010316145)
Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB S-ATA/300 (art. nr. 5010117670)
Samsung DVD±RW 22x Double Layer (art. nr. 5010317389)
July 22, 2009 12:42:20 PM

SweHtpc said:


The upgrade package you found is about the same as this one but this is a complete package
http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010308461.aspx
Price: 12295kr (about 1230 euros)

Components:
Antec Three Hundred Ultimate Gamer (art. nr. 5010142536)
Asus P6T Deluxe V2 X58 (art. nr. 5010206703)
Intel Core i7 920 (art. nr. 5010191763)
Corsair 6GB DDR3 XMS3 Intel (art. nr. 5010197229)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1TB (art. nr. 5010213276)
Asus Radeon HD4890 1GB (art. nr. 5010295872)
Zalman Silent 600W (art. nr. 5010099774)
Samsung DVD±RW 22x (art. nr. 5010317389)


Hi =D

Thanks you very much for the effort.

There are just a few things i am concerned about.
I wonder if the Antec Three Hundred has enough fans. Theres one on top and one behind. The other ones arent included. This way i'm not sure if i can overclock. Otherwise if would be great if u could recommend some cheap fans (2 for front, 1 for side) remember i dont want it to get too pricy.

Also i'm not sure if the PSU is good enough, dont u think it should be a 650W?

I've always bought computer parts from Netonnet. They are super cheap and i also live close to them, meaning i dont pay any extra costs.
I dont know if its a better option to buy all those parts from Netonnet individually, giving me a chance to get an Antec 902 and a Corsair CMPSU-650TXEU 650W.

What do you think?

btw i just realized that the product status has changed to "currently not for sale" in dustinhome. Lets hope its just temporary ;) 
July 22, 2009 1:40:10 PM

bcake said:

I wonder if the Antec Three Hundred has enough fans. Theres one on top and one behind. The other ones arent included. This way i'm not sure if i can overclock. Otherwise if would be great if u could recommend some cheap fans (2 for front, 1 for side) remember i dont want it to get too pricy.

Also i'm not sure if the PSU is good enough, dont u think it should be a 650W?

I've always bought computer parts from Netonnet. They are super cheap and i also live close to them, meaning i dont pay any extra costs.
I dont know if its a better option to buy all those parts from Netonnet individually, giving me a chance to get an Antec 902 and a Corsair CMPSU-650TXEU 650W.

What do you think?

btw i just realized that the product status has changed to "currently not for sale" in dustinhome. Lets hope its just temporary ;) 



--SweHtpc-- The suggestions that I posted were just if you wished to get decent components without having to examine every part in reviews etc. It looked like a decent build for a decent price. However if you wish to handpick every component, which is a pleasure in and of itself no arguments here, then go for the suggestions the other hardcore guys have posted in this thread. I just thought it could be helpfull for your first build. Dustin has built and tested the specs so they know that they are compatible and work fine.

About the fans:
NOCTUA NF-S12-1200 SILENT CASE FAN 120MM
http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010126136.aspx
Price: 220 kr (about 22 euros)
My experience with Noctua fans is that they are very quiet and has good airflow.
1x140 mm fan + 120 mm fan should move a lot of air to begin with and if you see that the temps are high then just add more :) 
I'm not sure how much heat this build will generate so that question will have to be answered by the other guys in the thread.
If you don't care about the noise then just add all the fans you can. Personally I like to keep things moderately quiet.

About the PSU:
600 should be enough for the components that are included but if you plan on maybe adding another 4890 in the future and maybe overclock your CPU then you will probably need a bit more.
I'm a litle rusty on how much power a typical gaming rig with decent performance components draw these days.

About where to buy:
If NetonNet's prices are about the same as other online retailers then why not buy the components there?
The package i listen from dustinhome only leaves warranty for the individual parts anyway.
You will have to (which is probably what you intend to do anyway) build the PC yourself regardless of which of these store you buy your stuff from.

About the stock issue on dustinhome:
Their packages (Bygg Själv-kit) are always "out of stock" because they only list the availability for the separate components.

And if you can avoid shipping costs if you buy from NetonNet then go ahead.
Gratis är gott ;) 
July 22, 2009 6:13:06 PM

SweHtpc said:

About the stock issue on dustinhome:
Their packages (Bygg Själv-kit) are always "out of stock" because they only list the availability for the separate components.

And if you can avoid shipping costs if you buy from NetonNet then go ahead.
Gratis är gott ;) 


Väljer du alltid postförskott hos Dustinhome? Eller betalning mot faktura?
July 22, 2009 9:22:29 PM

bcake said:
Väljer du alltid postförskott hos Dustinhome? Eller betalning mot faktura?
Ledsen för sent svar.
Jag körde förr postförskott men nu kör jag med kort så dras pengarna direkt så kan man bara se fram emot att få sina prylar sedan och då inte tänka på hur mycket man pröjsat :) 

Postförskott funkar bra, betala med kort funkar bra.
Faktura har jag aldrig provat.

July 22, 2009 9:30:36 PM

Ledsen för sent svar.
Jag körde förr postförskott men nu kör jag med kort så dras pengarna direkt så kan man bara se fram emot att få sina prylar sedan och då inte tänka på hur mycket man pröjsat

Postförskott funkar bra, betala med kort funkar bra.
Faktura har jag aldrig provat.
!