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July 22, 2009 7:31:42 PM

Greetings and salutations technophiles. After many years of tinkering with factory built systems, and the aggravation that went along with it, I have decided to save myself some cash and expand my personal repertoire of "doing-it-your-selfness".

Sad to say I've been out of the scene for quite some time (Pentium 4s just broke out). My own due diligence in getting up to speed to avoid sounding like a complete technological philistine has invariably led me to you fine people. So, with the prescribed format here is what I am looking to accomplish:


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:
All parts purchased within 30 days
BUDGET RANGE: US$ 1800


SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
Gaming (FPS, RTS) Crysis, World Conflict, etc ; Multimedia (Movies, Photo); Regular online hijinks; Heavy Multitasking; Ability to upgrade as needed


PARTS NOT REQUIRED:
Monitor (for now); Mouse; Keyboard


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
Newegg.com OR Tigerdirect.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: Only steadfast requirement is the i7 920

OVERCLOCKING: Yes (but once I've become comforatable/knowledgable enough), Yes to SLI OR CROSSFIRE (I'm sure it depends on the hardware but yes)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Eventually 1920 x 1200 but at the moment I'll be playing at 1024 x 768 ugh...


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
Just to reiterate, I would like a system that will allow to upgrade and OC (when comfortable) with relative ease. That is not to say that I want a paint by numbers no frills set up, I am looking forward to learning how to build my own 'rig' and be able to have a self-sufficiency that I haven't known up until this point.

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July 22, 2009 7:45:20 PM

With that budget i know we can fit a good monitor in, and 4890 crossfire should do well also.

Asus 25.5" 1920x1200 monitor $330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i7 920 and ASUS P6T $480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ Platinum 1600MHz CL7 3x2GB kit $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 900 $ 108
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 850TX $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x XFX 4890 overclocked to 900MHz $220 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1TB WD Caviar Black $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... caviar black

Total 1713 before MIR

Im not sure about aftermarket coolers, there are other people here who know more so i will let them suggest one.
July 22, 2009 7:56:57 PM

hunter315 said:
With that budget i know we can fit a good monitor in, and 4890 crossfire should do well also.

Asus 25.5" 1920x1200 monitor $330
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i7 920 and ASUS P6T $480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ Platinum 1600MHz CL7 3x2GB kit $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 900 $ 108
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 850TX $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x XFX 4890 overclocked to 900MHz $220 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1TB WD Caviar Black $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... caviar black

Total 1713 before MIR

Im not sure about aftermarket coolers, there are other people here who know more so i will let them suggest one.


Many thanks for the kick off to my thread. The biggest unknown for me is how the whole FSB/CPU clock speed and multiplier/RAM speed relationships work... It's easy enough to buy hardware but what separates the good builds from the heaps of smoldering scrap metal and silicon is the knowledge of how these pieces fit together without killing them.

I will need a good cooling system as the seasonal forecast for Los Angeles this time of year reads like Dante's Inferno.
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July 24, 2009 8:48:34 AM

Thanks for the advice. I've almost completed my components list and will submit for critique/review as soon as I have all the parts I would like to acquire.

However, I would like to have peoples' thoughts on optical drives (either CD/DVD combos or separate). I haven't found any good information about quality optical drives thus far.
July 24, 2009 3:16:10 PM

I wouldn't get dual 4890's, just get one, the 5870 is coming out soon which will make the 4890 obsolete.
July 24, 2009 7:10:46 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
You'll want to make sure the optical drive is SATA. I've had great luck with both Samsung and LG drives. This one would work great:

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $26.99



Great, thanks for the advice. I will be posting my specifications in about an hour to have people go through and see if my hardware checks out.
July 24, 2009 8:09:05 PM

Thank you to those who've assisted me in crafting the machine I intend to build. Below is the chosen list of hardware that I have gathered, some, from your suggestions and others through my own research.

I open the design up to you for your comments and advice on issues of compatibility, cost-effectiveness and the like. Thanks.


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: All parts purchased within 22 days

BUDGET RANGE: US$ 1800


SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (FPS, RTS) Crysis, World Conflict, etc ; Multimedia (Movies, Photo); Regular online hijinks; Heavy Multitasking; Ability to upgrade as needed


PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor (for now); Mouse; Keyboard


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.com OR Tigerdirect.com

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PARTS PREFERENCES: ALL FROM NEW EGG

CASE: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $130

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail $280

MOBO: ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $289

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail $139

RAM: OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail $114

Video: EVGA 017-P3-1295-AR CO-OP Edition GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported ... - Retail $400

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $75

OPTICAL: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM $27

MISC: 138
CASE: 130
CPU: 280
MOBO: 290
PSU: 139
RAM: 114
VIDEO: 400
HDD: 79
OPTICAL: 27

TOTAL: 1596 + California 9.75% tax & 7.00 shipping
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OVERCLOCKING: Yes (but once I've become comforatable/knowledgable enough), Yes to SLI OR CROSSFIRE (I'm sure it depends on the hardware but yes)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Eventually 1920 x 1200


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

Some of the reasoning behind a few part choices:

CASE: I like full tower cases with the extra room, airflow potential and the ability for better wire management. The Antec 1200 has all of this.

CPU: I would like to get in on the ground floor of the i7 genre which will allow future processor upgrades if I find it necessary.

PSU: Has great amperage on the rails that count and has great reviews

Vid Card: This will undoubtedly be a source of contention for the critics... From all I have read, this card will satisfy my needs for years to come with the ability down the road to SLi if I so desire. Performance ratings seem terrific, although there is evidence that other cards are comparable in performance for less... so I've chosen this component mostly for a conversation piece, and if you can convince me to go with something else then so be it.
July 24, 2009 8:15:45 PM

SLI to GTX275's, it will save you almost $100 and give you better performance as the GTX295 is 2 SLI'd underclocked GTX275's that use a single PCI-E slot.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or start with one now, and then wait for the 5800 series to come out from ATI, that will drop the prices on all of the video cards to stay competitive.
July 25, 2009 2:23:26 AM

Thanks for the tip. Is my system really that complete as to not garner any other suggestions? If so, excellent. I just would like to make sure that (1) I'm getting the most bang for the buck and (2) will not have compatibility or stability/power issues.

So please, anyone's comments?
July 25, 2009 2:38:16 AM

Do you have an Operating system? or do you plan on buying one, or maybe using win 7rc?
July 25, 2009 3:03:59 AM

crazyman9116 said:
Do you have an Operating system? or do you plan on buying one, or maybe using win 7rc?


Going to purchase the 64bit Vista OS and upgrade to Windows 7 when it comes as part of the transition deal going on now.
July 25, 2009 3:10:40 AM

I would not waste the money, Just use windows 7RC untill the real version comes out
July 25, 2009 3:33:29 AM

crazyman9116 said:
I would not waste the money, Just use windows 7RC untill the real version comes out

I have to disagree. You'll have to do a fresh install of Windows 7 when going from the RC and the Home Premium version is supposed to cost about $120. You can get Windows Vista with a free upgrade coupon to Windows 7 right now for $110. You can also do an upgrade from Windows Vista instead of a fresh install. I think your original idea of getting Vista with the upgrade coupon would be the best idea.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99
July 25, 2009 6:30:40 AM

shortstuff_mt said:
I have to disagree. You'll have to do a fresh install of Windows 7 when going from the RC and the Home Premium version is supposed to cost about $120. You can get Windows Vista with a free upgrade coupon to Windows 7 right now for $110. You can also do an upgrade from Windows Vista instead of a fresh install. I think your original idea of getting Vista with the upgrade coupon would be the best idea.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99



I do believe that this, like you say, is the best way to go. The cost would be the same if not a little cheaper plus I'm guaranteed to have an alpha OS to start with rather than a possible beta problem on second boot.
July 25, 2009 7:13:59 AM

As far as the video card non debate, I think I'll actually go with gtx 275s in SLi.

And, as before, thanks to those who've left comments and suggestions. I take it by the lack of response that there isn't an outstanding reason as to why this machine will not function properly. So it's off to purchase! Thank you for your thoughts. I'll write again with questions, but surely when I POST for the first time. Thanks.
July 25, 2009 3:08:49 PM

It depends heavily on what games he plays if he will get better performance as there are some games that perfer the nVidia architecture and will give significantly better performance, look at the cyber power dragon review where an i7 with GTX260's beat a PII with 4890's.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cyberpower-gamer-dr...
July 25, 2009 6:37:54 PM

Take a look at the comparison of the PII vs the i7 when they were both running ATI cards, the PII performed much closer to the i7 in a few of the tests than when the i7 was running nVidia cards. Read the articles on here that have done comparisons between them.

Oh and by the way it would be you who doesnt seem to realize that AM2+ and AM3 processors have their memory controller onboard the CPU just like the i7, nice try but that isnt what sets them apart.
July 25, 2009 8:21:10 PM

Here are two benchmarks to keep everything equal for you and show that some games favor nVidia architectures over ATI, but others show no real preference
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...
Stock GTX275 beats a stock 4890 by about 8 FPS, however on fallout 3 the case is different with the 4890 beating the GTX275 by 2 FPS
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...

It all depends on what games he wants to play, oh and next time someone states something that you believe to be false pull some facts out of your ass to back up your statements dont insult them.
July 25, 2009 8:35:50 PM

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Expensive Brick, your first time building a system? Good luck

Okay so bad choice on video cards, that guy has no idea of what he's talking about. Get 2 x 4890 (sapphire makes good cards) for around the same price with better performance, trust me I know.

Are you purchasing a monitor, if so which one?

Everything else you listed looks pretty good.
Also get the core contact freezer (cpu cooler) it is in the top 3 zone and it is cheap.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=227...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you need to purchase the 1366 bracket


As of now I'll be using an HDMI setup for my 32" LCD 720p. But 1920 x 1200 is not out of the question later on...
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