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August 25, 2011 8:51:07 AM

Hey, I'm building a new computer and was just looking to see if anyone had any tips or pointers for me! Thanks.

Here is my system:
Corsair obsidian 800D Case
EVGA GEforce gtx 570 HD
G.Skill Ripjaw X 8GB DDR3 2133 CAS 9
4 x 12" white cold cathode
11 x Xigmantec 120mm case fan
2 x Corsair force GT 60GB SSD in RAID 0
Asus p8z68 deluxe lga 1155 atx mobo
Intel i7-2600k CPU
Hitachi 1.5TB HDD
2x sunbeam 6 channel 30w/chan. Fan controller
Arctic silver 5
Cooler Master SPG 1000W modular PSU

WC components:

Switch apogee xt CPU block
Xspc rx480 rad
10ft white 1/2 ; 3/4 tubing
10ft black tubing
18 x mini hose clamps
12 x bits power g 1/4" fittings 1/2"
Silver coil
2 x enzotech 45° fitting 1/2"
Heatkiller GPU-x^3 gtx 570-580 GPU block
Xspc rx360
Swiftech mcp655-b pump
Bits power 5.25" black acetal bay res


Configuration:
Pump>RES>480>CPU>360>GPU>pump

Total cost: 2,676.00
Budget 2,700


Thank you! :hello: 

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August 25, 2011 9:11:29 AM

Make sure all your fittings match the Internal Diameter of the tubing (if tubing is 1/2" ID, then the fittings need to be 1/2" OD). I'd also go with a larger Rad than a single 120mm, look for at least a triple 120mm instead. Also pick up 2 "Y" splitters.

RAD>RES>Pump>Splitter>CPU&GPU>Splitter>RAD
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August 25, 2011 9:13:59 AM

All fittings are 1/2" and I have a 360 rad AND 120 rad! Thanks for the feedback!
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 1:59:27 PM

Why BIX rads? If you have a specific reason, that's fine, but just curious since people usually don't get those unless they are for a specific reason.

You are right on for the amount of rads you'll need...might consider more if you plan to overclock moderately or aggressively.

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I'd also go with a larger Rad than a single 120mm, look for at least a triple 120mm instead

He has a 360 and a 120 on the list...?

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Also pick up 2 "Y" splitters.

No, absolutely not. Only run in serial...no parallel splits.
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August 25, 2011 8:14:43 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Why BIX rads? If you have a specific reason, that's fine, but just curious since people usually don't get those unless they are for a specific reason.

You are right on for the amount of rads you'll need...might consider more if you plan to overclock moderately or aggressively.

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I'd also go with a larger Rad than a single 120mm, look for at least a triple 120mm instead

He has a 360 and a 120 on the list...?

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Also pick up 2 "Y" splitters.

No, absolutely not. Only run in serial...no parallel splits.


I chose bix because of there high fpi density as I am using 5200rpm / 240cfm fans. Black ice are said to be the best performing under these circumstances, unless I am wrong?

Also I think he mention to go parallel if I were running solely on a 120 as that would be the only option I could see, although it really wouldn't work anyways.
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August 25, 2011 8:22:37 PM

Do you really think I actully need more rads?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 9:06:50 PM

BIX rads are high FPI, you are correct, so running high CFM fans would be the best...but you realize, that is going to be incredibly loud...where are you finding fans that run that speed? I've seen some that run ~3000RPM...where do you find 5400RPM fans?

You could also just run a thicker rad with slower fans and get similar performance. I can't imagine those fans are cheap you are looking at...for what you are going to spend on fans and rads, you could run a much quieter setup that would perform the same or better.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 9:13:12 PM

Sure, can you link to the BIX rads you are looking at? Just wanted for comparison.

$30 a fan? Ouch.
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August 25, 2011 9:17:31 PM

Ya I know it's killer, but I really want this to be an optimal rig, and considering noctuas poor out at 35$ for 70 cfm at 17db and these at 1/2 speed are 100cfm at 21db I chose these but it is absolutly not set in stone so PLEASE recommend!
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 9:25:02 PM

http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-RX360-Triple-120mm-high-performance-radiator-pr-4384.html

XSPC RX series 360 rad...little thicker, less dense, $20 cheaper than your BIX360, would be a great alternative with medium speed fans...even better in push/pull with slower, cheaper fans. I wouldn't really recommend anything less than this one rad and at least 3 decent 1500-2000RPM fans for your 3x GPU loop. Should be enough for that, if you wanted to keep it simple, yet moderately effective. Look at bumping to a little bigger if you want better cooling...
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August 25, 2011 9:28:50 PM

So what about the 120, should I keep that for the GPU? Also I will be trying for 4.8-5ghz on the CPU, will that rad with slower fans work alright? If I decided to go for a 480 rad what do I use to hang it off the back of an 800D?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 9:34:18 PM

Hang on...single CPU and single GPU, correct? For some reason, I was thinking of another thread for a guy an 3x GPUs....my mistake.

You would be fine with a single XSPC RX360 for your CPU and GPU. Sorry for the confusion. However, with those clocks, you may consider at least an additional 120...if not 220 of those same rads. i5 2500k's get mighty hot above 4.5ghz...take this into consideration.

You could also go the route of getting the XSPC Rasa RX360 kit and adding to it unless you wanted the power of the D5/MCP655 pump...
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August 25, 2011 9:37:30 PM

Ya I don't really trust the kits quality, what about running a 480 off the back for the CPU and a 360 for the GPU (just in case I do expand to sli or even tri.) thanks for spending so much time with me this really is helpful. Could you recommend some fans aswell?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 9:42:00 PM

It's a very decent beginner kit, but the pump could be stronger.

A 480 and a 360 in that loop? That would give you a lot of cooling power and would give you some headway into at least another GPU...maybe squeezing in all 3.

I know there are some decent Xigmatek fans people are using lately...I'd have to look them up. A lot of die hards use Yate Loons or Gentle Typhoons, but they can be hard to find. Anything with decent CFM, RPM and noise level in conjunction with decent price should be your goal. There are a lot of good fans in the $10-$13 range...honestly, far too many to even begin listing.
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August 25, 2011 9:47:46 PM

I found these they seem to be very good price:noise:cfm I hear talking about static pressure all the time, do I have to look at that or is the cfm really the only thing that affects it? if I ran 8 on the 480 and 3 on the 360 would that provide good cooling?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 10:01:42 PM

Those are actually a good choice. That is a lot of fans...$110 on fans alone? I'm not trying to discourage you, but it will make that thick rad pretty fat, so make sure you have room. Otherwise, that would be excellent performance and airflow for that loop....enviable, actually.
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August 25, 2011 10:03:19 PM

Just wondering, and assuming you have 1, what's your loop consist of?

Also, how do I attach the 480 to the back of the case? Is there some sort of bracket?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 10:14:08 PM

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Also, how do I attach the 480 to the back of the case? Is there some sort of bracket?


Radbox is one option:http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2156/ex-rad-35/Swiftech_MCB-120_Revision_2_Radbox_RadiatorFan_Housing_-_Black.html

Xigmatek moves move air, but the Silverstone is quieter.

Copy/paste from my member config:

Q6600 @3.4ghz 1.2250 VID
BFG 1200w
eVGA 790i FTW
4gb Patriot DDR3
SLI GTX260 Core216
2x Raptor 74/1TB WD Black
Gigabyte Aurora Case
D-Tek v.2 CPU, 2x MCR320, 2x Swiftech MCW-60 VGA, MCP655
28" Hanns-G
MS Sidewinder & G15


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August 25, 2011 10:15:56 PM

That's sick!
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 10:17:04 PM

It's older hardware and older WC gear, but still runs great. SLI GTX 260's and a Q6600 @3.4ghz...runs great on 4gb RAM.
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August 25, 2011 10:20:58 PM

Will 1/4" cable sleeving with all 8 fans cables in it or do I need 2 separate sleeves.? I was thinking running 8 xigmantec on the outside and 3 siverstone on the inside as they are more thin.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 25, 2011 10:23:49 PM

Are you sleeving them individually, or making a sleeve to run all of them through? I personally may not know the best answer, just trying to get a feel of what you are wanting to do. Maybe Orangejuice will see your post...he just got done with a really clean build...may ask his advice...?
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August 25, 2011 10:52:21 PM

Should I get a fan controller for the fans? Even if they shouldn't be too loud believe it could be helpful for the external fans?
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August 25, 2011 11:05:52 PM

And where do I get screws? Like for grill>fan>rad>fan>bracket>case?
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a c 190 K Overclocking
August 26, 2011 6:05:00 AM

I use my local hardware guy for screws/bolts etc, buying them from pc sites is prohibitively expensive, one m8 screw, couple of pence, one m8 computer screw £1
fan controllers always useful for tweaking so I'd say go ahead, if you choose to quiet them down you can, or fullblast for cooling during gaming sesh's
one pre-requisite fror watercooling in my opinion is a degree of modding nous, you see that you need a bracket, then look at things in your house/shed/workplace, oh look, thats my new bracket for xxx :p 
Moto
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August 26, 2011 6:50:13 AM

I can get 100 black m8's for 4£ is that Good? Also the fan controllers are 40£ is that worth it?
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a c 190 K Overclocking
August 26, 2011 7:32:21 AM

Yeah, black M8's are nice on a modded build, I'll take a link for those if you dont mind? :p 
my fan controller was £26 I think,
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But then I modded it into a build
it depends on how many channels you want (how many fan running off it) and if you want a name, other things like lcd screens make nice touches too but cost
its down to what you want from the controller tbh, function or shinies :p 
Moto
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a c 190 K Overclocking
August 26, 2011 8:08:05 AM

F/C looks fine, maybe google 'xxname reviews' before you buy though
opaque tubing is a better option than using dyes,
bleeding will be impossible to visually identify, but if you persevere you should get most bubbles out in a day or two, watch for knocking noises/pump sounding like hell and your water level, top up as required,
sleep now (nightworker) I'll look in later though man, have a good day :) 
Moto
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August 26, 2011 8:16:12 AM

You too, thanks!
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August 26, 2011 8:57:52 AM

Also, what is the best coolant, should I use a feser, distiller pt nuke, distilled silver, ect? I'm leaning towards distilled silver.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 26, 2011 12:54:40 PM

Distilled water, silver killcoil and maybe some PTnuke. If you want color, go for colored tubing or some good dye...stay away from premixes/coolants...they won't benefit you at all and some break down in your loop.
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August 26, 2011 6:22:49 PM

There are 2 nukes 1 clear 1 blue-ish which one do I get?
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a c 324 K Overclocking
August 26, 2011 8:08:41 PM

Either is OK, the clear is what most people use (PHN).
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a b K Overclocking
August 30, 2011 12:17:00 AM

Sorry, just caught this thread today.

@OP- 8 fan cables sleeved together? how are you getting them together like this?

I would recommend individual sleeving, it is more work but worth it if you ever need to move a fan and they can be hidden a bit better.

I bought some really cheap sleeving when i did mine, i would recommend getting something that is better quality.. MDPC-X is great from what i have read.

You can buy some sleeving tools that will work to get the pins out of the fan connectors, but a tiny flat-head screwdriver works just as well.
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August 30, 2011 3:57:50 AM

Thank you very much for the advice
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September 2, 2011 4:08:30 AM

Best answer selected by Norton50.
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