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August 2, 2010 6:06:04 AM

I'd rather wall sized 1080p playback than wall sized 3D playback. = )
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August 2, 2010 6:09:58 AM

I would love to have a 3D system like this, unfortunately it's nCredibly expensive...
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August 2, 2010 6:14:11 AM

I don't care about 3D.
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August 2, 2010 6:57:44 AM

What about DLP 3D? the projector supports it, DLP-link glasses are cheaper and dont require a transmitter like the nvidia glasses.
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August 2, 2010 7:28:23 AM

"The whole experiment consisted of about $2500 worth of hardware and software, NOT including the PC driving the displays."

I cringed.
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August 2, 2010 8:07:48 AM

I own a acer h5360 and I agree, it is awesome watching 3d movies on it. 1080p? Dont even notice pixellation at 115 inch screen. 720p is fine and at a great price. 1080p 3d projectors will be extremely expensive for average consumers.
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August 2, 2010 8:18:29 AM

kolsky 3d is extremely expensive for average consumers.


Fixed.
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August 2, 2010 8:41:12 AM

Is this projector better than the Mitshibshi 73" 1080p dlp for $1100?
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August 2, 2010 8:56:40 AM

Im sorry, but 3d is NOT expensive. The acer 5360 can be bought for as low as 580 and the nvidia vision glasses kit can be bought for as low as 150. That is under 1,000... less than the cost of a 3D TV.
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August 2, 2010 9:08:14 AM

Interesting read, but ultimately all this 3D talk leaves me with a big question. I have a PS3 and if I upgrade my PC to a 3D vision enabled PC is there a projector (perhaps the one discussed in this article) that would allow me to enjoy the 3D from my PS3 and my PC? I understand if I would need a switch between devices or manually switch cables. I know NVIDIA is working on a 3DTV play tech that let's you use the glasses of 3D enabled HDTV to enjoy NVIDIA 3D Vision, but is there a similar option for projectors?
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August 2, 2010 9:22:36 AM

kolskyIm sorry, but 3d is NOT expensive. The acer 5360 can be bought for as low as 580 and the nvidia vision glasses kit can be bought for as low as 150. That is under 1,000... less than the cost of a 3D TV.


ATI/AMD will make it a lot cheaper without proprietary hugely expensive crap like nvidia.

http://www.digitalversus.com/3d-films-and-games-with-gl...
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August 2, 2010 9:53:25 AM

Saddest thing in the review: "and the software developers we've talked to have indicated that the dual-projector option is too fringe to justify development."

D-bags once again focusing on their limitations rather than options.

Glad I didn't waste my money on that 3D upgrade for PowerDVD or others until they get their act together to support both methods.

It's obviously already possible as shown by JVC last year (see end of clip);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbm0VoL845k&feature=chan...
but once again leave it to the small minded accountants running the companies to keep it held back.

Nice look as always though Don. :sol: 

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August 2, 2010 9:57:10 AM

kolsky said:
Im sorry, but 3d is NOT expensive. The acer 5360 can be bought for as low as 580 and the nvidia vision glasses kit can be bought for as low as 150. That is under 1,000... less than the cost of a 3D TV.


That's for one viewer, and then it's X amount for each additional viewer to have shutter glasses, expensive if you have friends, cheap if you're a loner.

Polarization is the way to go for a bunch of people.
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August 2, 2010 12:09:47 PM

I actually have a setup like this but I used a optoma GT700 and did a little messing with drivers to get the nvidia glasses to see it.. I don't really see a whole lot of "3d" though I guess maybe my eyes don't work well with the system.. I got to say though having a 135' screen to watch movies on is fun..
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August 2, 2010 12:20:08 PM

scrumworksATI/AMD will make it a lot cheaper without proprietary hugely expensive crap like nvidia. http://www.digitalversus.com/3d-fi [...] -1086.html

Well Nvidia's 3DTV Play will offer the same thing. HDMI 1.4a compatibility, no need to buy the Nvidia Vision kit, works with glasses provided by the display etc.
It's odd, that article you posted doesn't mention that.
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August 2, 2010 12:20:41 PM

Most Cinemas I have seem do not use 2 projecters to display 3D movies they use a single digital projecter that displays alternate frames, the Dolby system uses A spinning filter wheel betwean the projectors lamp and Imager, it alters the light up and down in frequency synced to the proper frame and passive RGB filter glasses allow only the corect eye to see the corect image (no special silver screan required because the light is not polerized ) RealD uses a switching circuler polarizer (called Z screan ) placed in front of the projecter and synced to the proper frame this system like all polerized systems requires a silver screan to mantain polarization of the image and is viewed with cicular polarized glasses (inexpensive) both systems use a single projecter and alternating frame sequence of the image projected, and passive glasses there are Active glasses systems as well but they are less comon.
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August 2, 2010 12:34:43 PM

Rickyw972Is this projector better than the Mitshibshi 73" 1080p dlp for $1100?

look up the gt700 its 720p but the nice thing about it is that its short throw. So you can put it in a 10x10 room and still get a really large picture..
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August 2, 2010 12:35:36 PM

Lets not forget that HDMI 1.4a does not have a mandatory standard for 3d at 1080p60. The HDMI chips are just too slow to handle the bandwidth. It's limited to 1080p24, 1080i60, or 720p60. So 3d Bluray playback will be fine on HDMI, but 3d gaming will be very limited on HDMI.
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August 2, 2010 1:27:49 PM

heads up for 3d vision..bt nVidia sucks for making it only geForce card compatible..
ATI cards would have given lot bttr results
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August 2, 2010 1:40:00 PM

Not interested in this.Your mileage may vary.
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August 2, 2010 1:51:34 PM

i just wanna know why nvidia always asks for a high price for everything they do? 3d vision and their gpus are overpriced, while ati relased infinity and they do not ask for a high price, i just hope nvidia stays behind ati so we can enjoy everything that the gpu market offers.
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August 2, 2010 1:53:19 PM

As usual, I was really looking forward to Monday's lead article. And then I saw this, safely applicable to but a tiny fraction of potential readers. With household median income in the US at around $50K, once extortion (income tax), the mortgage or rent, food, utilities, etc. are all paid, and dried-up credit and other economic realities are considered, a system like this is NOT readily affordable. Some people like to dream, and a few may like to drool, but I think even more would appreciate articles that are more financially conservative. Just my $.02.
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August 2, 2010 2:20:29 PM

Is there anyway to get this setup to be compatible with DirecTV's 3D channels? I don't do a lot of PC gaming and there are a very limited amount of 3D Blu-ray disks.
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August 2, 2010 3:57:35 PM

Rickyw972Is this projector better than the Mitshibshi 73" 1080p dlp for $1100?


What do you mean by the Mitsubishi 73" dlp? There is no such thing. If you mean the ~$1200 1080p Mitsu hc3800, then this projector is NO WHERE close. The hc3800 is miles ahead of the optoma hd20, which is miles ahead of this one. Analogy; Porsche 911 gt3 (Mitsu) vs Toyota Camry (this one). Of course, the Panasonic pt ae4000u is miles ahead of the hc3800, but thats a completely different ballgame...
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August 2, 2010 4:00:40 PM

excalibur1814http://www.projectorcentral.com/op [...] review.htm?


I think toms has a contract with newegg in which they get discounted prices for only buying from there. The hd66 most likely isn't stocked by newegg, and thus they were limited in their choices.
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August 2, 2010 4:22:37 PM

faraz1010heads up for 3d vision..bt nVidia sucks for making it only geForce card compatible..ATI cards would have given lot bttr results

So now Nvidia is supposed to write drivers for ATI? I think I've heard everything now.
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August 2, 2010 4:27:16 PM

redguard117What do you mean by the Mitsubishi 73" dlp? There is no such thing. If you mean the ~$1200 1080p Mitsu hc3800, then this projector is NO WHERE close. The hc3800 is miles ahead of the optoma hd20, which is miles ahead of this one. Analogy; Porsche 911 gt3 (Mitsu) vs Toyota Camry (this one). Of course, the Panasonic pt ae4000u is miles ahead of the hc3800, but thats a completely different ballgame...


He was talking about the Mitsubishi WD73638, which goes on sale weekly at various places for $1100-1200. I own the 65" model, and I can say without doubt that this 720p projector doesn't stand a chance for picture clarity.
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August 2, 2010 4:41:11 PM

What about DLP TV's? They can do 3D, Right? A 70" DLP is well under $2000.00, unless it's a laser DLP. I would like you to do some tests with DLP.
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August 2, 2010 4:56:59 PM

jimslaid2What about DLP TV's? They can do 3D, Right? A 70" DLP is well under $2000.00, unless it's a laser DLP. I would like you to do some tests with DLP.


3D DLP televisions can only offer a half-resolution 3D experience because they use the 'checkerboard' format.

See here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/blu-ray-3d-3d-visio...
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August 2, 2010 4:58:34 PM

redguard117I think toms has a contract with newegg in which they get discounted prices for only buying from there. The hd66 most likely isn't stocked by newegg, and thus they were limited in their choices.


Not really. in this case I just asked for the Acer projector. Is there a reason you think the HD66 would be a better test subject?
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August 2, 2010 5:29:39 PM

jtt283As usual, I was really looking forward to Monday's lead article. And then I saw this, safely applicable to but a tiny fraction of potential readers. With household median income in the US at around $50K, once extortion (income tax), the mortgage or rent, food, utilities, etc. are all paid, and dried-up credit and other economic realities are considered, a system like this is NOT readily affordable. Some people like to dream, and a few may like to drool, but I think even more would appreciate articles that are more financially conservative. Just my $.02.


Stop whining.
Stop smoking so much crack.
Sell the Explorer and get a 4-cyl Honda Accord.
Use crack money and all the money you saved in fuel to buy $1000 3D set-up in the time you would have spent crying.

Lastly, no one should be making purchases like these on credit, anyway. Not, saying that it's wrong...
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August 2, 2010 6:13:48 PM

Not interested in 1900x1200 wall sized screen and certainly not 3d (not yet anyway), but let me know when 1900x1200 projectors cost no more than $200 each and I'll go pick up a few 6 monitor ATI cards.
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August 2, 2010 6:24:56 PM

The ACER H7530D seems to have almost the exact same specs as the projector in this article except it is 1080p and isn't "3d vision" certified. Anyone have a guess as to why that might be and why it wouldn't work?
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August 2, 2010 6:25:10 PM

The ACER H7530D seems to have almost the exact same specs as the projector in this article except it is 1080p and isn't "3d vision" certified. Anyone have a guess as to why that might be and why it wouldn't work?
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August 2, 2010 6:56:23 PM

Regarding 3D Blu-ray on dual projector.

In the comments to previous article I pointed to StereoMovie Player that supports dual projector setup - http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stvply/index.html. This is free DirectShow player and DirectShow can read Blu-ray m2ts files.

Now there is H264StereoSource.dll that can read Blu-ray 3D MVC codec. It is references here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1412843
That thread is about converting 3D blu-rays to anaglyph. But can this software set be used to watch 3D blu-rays on StereoMovie Player or stereoscopic player? Or to convert Blu-ray to something that StereoMovie Player understands natively, like side-by-side MKV video file?

I think this is worth to try. I don't have dual projector though. Don, could you please try it?
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August 2, 2010 7:10:14 PM

In the year 2000, my cousin spent $900 on 29" CRT TV, which couldn't even display 720p.
Thus, 3D Vision is not that expensive.
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August 2, 2010 7:16:21 PM

Reply to DaFees,
Most newer home theatres, handle hdmi9 switching including 3D pass-through. I will someday implement 3D, I'm getting compatible equipment one piece at a time. I have the nice little Denon 600 watt theatre, buy appropriate speed hdmi cables for quality needed.
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August 2, 2010 8:06:27 PM

kolskyIm sorry, but 3d is NOT expensive. The acer 5360 can be bought for as low as 580 and the nvidia vision glasses kit can be bought for as low as 150. That is under 1,000... less than the cost of a 3D TV.

Of course, its not expensive for rich folks like you who can afford a couple 980X's here, some GTX 480's there, but for us lowly peasants, 580 bucks can buy a decent system. 3D isn't expensive my ass.
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August 2, 2010 8:13:07 PM

rtothedizzyThe ACER H7530D seems to have almost the exact same specs as the projector in this article except it is 1080p and isn't "3d vision" certified. Anyone have a guess as to why that might be and why it wouldn't work?


Because it's not a 120hz projector.
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August 2, 2010 8:55:23 PM

elkeinReply to DaFees,Most newer home theatres, handle hdmi9 switching including 3D pass-through. I will someday implement 3D, I'm getting compatible equipment one piece at a time. I have the nice little Denon 600 watt theatre, buy appropriate speed hdmi cables for quality needed.


Ok yes perhaps you can use an HDMI 1.4a receiver to connect a PS3 and PC to one display, but here's my main concern. Is there a 3D projector yet that like a 3DTV uses its own glasses. I mean how can I connect a PS3 and PC to a projector and get 3D?
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August 2, 2010 9:27:24 PM

I'm not appealed to 3D anyway, but spending 2.000 $ to play Crysis at 720p with cr4py settings makes no sense, and for sure erases any interest in 3D gaming for me.
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August 2, 2010 9:31:50 PM

hixbotBecause it's not a 120hz projector.


I see.

On Newegg they have the same refresh rate listed (50-80Hz) but on acer's site they have the correct refresh rates.

Thanks.
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August 2, 2010 9:34:42 PM

Seems pretty neat.
I just wish that it didn't cost so much.
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August 3, 2010 1:32:17 AM

This strikes me as biased against iz3d; try mtbs3d.com for more equitable reviews... I'm willing to bet that tomshardware took the default settings for iz3d, when anyone who uses iz3d knows that it's much better to tweak them. Also, I use an iz3d, and I have never had problems only seeing the mouse with one eye. I have tried several games, including Warcraft III and the Starcraft II Beta.
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August 3, 2010 1:56:33 AM

Considering the price of 3D HDTV's right now, this is a surprisingly affordable solution.
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August 3, 2010 3:09:53 AM

DaFeesOk yes perhaps you can use an HDMI 1.4a receiver to connect a PS3 and PC to one display, but here's my main concern. Is there a 3D projector yet that like a 3DTV uses its own glasses. I mean how can I connect a PS3 and PC to a projector and get 3D?



If you're asking if you can connect the PS3 to the projector and use it to watch 3D, the answer is no, you can't.

The PS3 would have to be 2D only.
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August 3, 2010 3:24:56 AM

AndernerdThis strikes me as biased against iz3d; try mtbs3d.com for more equitable reviews... I'm willing to bet that tomshardware took the default settings for iz3d, when anyone who uses iz3d knows that it's much better to tweak them.


There is no bias at all, I simply reported the results. I did tweak the drivers.


AndernerdAlso, I use an iz3d, and I have never had problems only seeing the mouse with one eye. I have tried several games, including Warcraft III and the Starcraft II Beta.


That's because we're talking dual-projector use here, not the iZ3D monitor. Don't assume a dual-projector polarized system works the same with the iZ3D driver as an iZ3D monitor.
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August 3, 2010 3:53:55 AM

totally agree with the 3d revolution but games should not be enjoyed on a projector and instead should rely on a 3d monitor and i totally dislike using 3 display monitors for that.
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