Interesting things about the 5xxx series

From here
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=7641
•Battleforge DirectX 10/DirectX 10.1 performance improves of up to 50% with the largest gains in configurations using ATI CrossFireX™ technology.
•Company of Heroes DirectX 10 performance improves of up to 77%.

•Crysis DirectX 10 performance of ATI CrossFireX technology in dual mode improves of up to 10% and quad mode performance improves of up to 34%.

•Crysis Warhead DirectX 10 performance of ATI CrossFireX technology in dual mode improves of up to 7% and quad mode performance improves of up to 69%.
•Far Cry 2 DirectX 10 performance of ATI CrossFireX technology in dual mode improves of up to 50% and quad mode performance improves of up to 88%.

•Tom Clancy’s H.A.W.X. DirectX 10/DirectX 10.1 performance of ATI CrossFireX technology in dual mode improves of up to 40% and with quad mode performance improving of up to 60%.

•UnigineTropics OpenGL performance improvements of up to 20%.

•UnigineTropics DirectX 10 performance of ATI CrossFireX technology in quad mode improvements of up to 20%.

•World in Conflict DirectX 10 performance improvements of up to by 10%.


And more info here
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1040/1/
And a picture of the card












Rumor has it, the top card is 4 cored, imagine that

The last driver releases.
These new drivers were released yesterday
They help immensly with major increases, including quadfire

Or, possibly forced TSMC monster

I'm having a hard time comprehending 4 cores on one GPU. lol. That sounds great, but we've heard those rumors months ago about the 4 cores. I wouldn't doubt it. AMD has said their highest end chip would come later, of course. Can't wait!

If these release in Sep, then all new drivers? Fair enough
Having a triple link is odd, and having only half a slot for air cooling is even moreso, plus the length of the card, and all the rumors for the last 2 years, sounds ok too

Definately, like, if that is the 4 gpu card, you're telling me that little exhaust port is going to get rid of heat for four gpus ?

It probably couldn't do one gpu for that matter, and why use all those ports on the back ?

This isnt the top card. Its the same one chiphell did a pic of, and during the early DX11 demos.
Specualtion is, if this is a multi, its only a dual, or around the 295 perf, as rumor has it.
Take 2 4890s at 40nm, and dumb em down abit

What numbers?

look @ the top of the card JD you can see a PCB on the top of the card, why? if its not a dual PCB card

^^they would if it had 4 cores

Quad sli in a slot, considering the scaling that usually gets, even these new drivers ain't going to save that from being a waste of money.

It is a nasty way of doing it and I hope ATi have taken note of how not to do it from nvidia.

im wrong, if it was a dual PCB it would be @ the bottom not the top

Since this thread is a rumor thread, and theres no hard links, other rumors running is, the NDA holds thru Sep, and launch wont be til Oct 2nd week, but again, its a rumor, based on the invite only Sept 10th posting weve seen, meaning press mainly, with a few others.
Either way, its close

Here is another picture for you eagle eyed clue spotters http://translate.google.com/transl [...] en-co-vime

Its translated so i hope it links properly

Mactronix

It's like...the Ron Jeremy of video cards!

There are no final specs anywhere yet. Soon enough though..

It doesnt appear to be a sandwitch according to these
http://forums.techpowerup.com/show [...] ostcount=9

That little tesselation thing was awesome. Character went from not impressive, to an awesome model. Could be a nasty performance hit, but definitely something very easy to see that will impact realism and just the good looks of a game very quickly.

OK, more findings for more rumors heheh
The findings are (no link, lost it, bit its true) This gen of cards is the most radical change ATI has done since R600
OK, rumors, clocks are up. Whats does this mean? Core clocks are expected to be somewhat higher with the shrink, but possibly shader clocks no linger linked to core?

Looking at it, going on the overhang from the PCIE slot, it wont even be close to fitting in my case and its not like i have a small case either.

Mactronix

Radeon "7" Family (Evergreen) is 6 parts:
Trillian = "R800" + either multiple montior or 3-way GPU
Hemlock = "R800" Dual GPU
Cypress = "RV870" Single GPU
Juniper = "RV840"
Redwood = "RV830"
Cedar = "RV810"
Press date: Sept 10th, 2009 Event loc. San Fran, USA?
Hard release: Sept 24th. --> mid Nov. 2009
Price range: $500 (high-end) --> $50 (low-end Cedar)

Cypress (rv870) single gpu "HD5870" is:
HD2900XT PCB size
40nm
353mm^2 die size
19mm x 19mm at cost of $34 per die
2x 6pin PCI_E power connectors
DX11
1600SP
256bit bus
80TMU
32ROP
1024/2048mb mem configs
SIMD : 20
Shader Clock : 850 ???
Memory Clock : 1200 ???
Bandwidth : 153Gbps ???
~$350 MSRP
3dmark vantage performance:
Cypress ~P16xxx - P17xxx - P18xxx
aka ~HD4870X2 performance level
potentially an ~30% performance improvement in the same power profile vs. rv770

Hemlock (R800) dual gpu "HD5870x2" is:
larger than 4870x2 single PCB
40nm 353mm^2 die x 2
19mm x 19mm at cost of $34 per die
1 6pin + 1 8pin PCI_E power connectors
DX11
3200SP
256bit bus x 2
80TMU x 2
32ROP x 2
1024/2048mb x 2 mem configs ???
~$500 MSRP
3dmark vantage performance:
(2x Cypress) theoretical P34xxx ???

Juniper/Redwood HD5850, HD5830, HD5770?
Partial shroud HSF design
40nm
181mm^2 die size
14mm x 14mm die
1 6pin PCI_E power connector
DX11
800SP on Redwood
640SP on Juniper
128bit bus
40TMU
16ROP
512/1024mb mem configs???
~$199/$149 MSRP
3dmark vantage performance:
Juniper XT ~P95xx
Redwood ~P46xx
About the speed of a HD4870 & HD3870

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] 623&page=7
May be true, who knows, but some rumors from a Chinese site said about ATI not being able to do something because of TSMCs 40nm process, which now appears to be a 4 core card, so they settled with 3?

The more info i see the more its starting to look like a non event for me. Of course it still remains to be seen whats actually what but its going to come down to what the Juniper/Redwood stats actually are. The other cards look to be either too big or too power hungry to be of interest to myself and i can see many feeling the same way. Sure as an upgrade from a lesser card they would make perfect sense but for someone with a 4 series card already it could turn out to be a pointless exercise.
Im coming from a Price/Power/Perf point of view here, sure a lot of you guys, true enthusiasts i guess are quite happy to swap out a GPU to get the latset and greatest but i need to see a solid reason for doing so.
As i have said before, if we end up with parts that are basically the 4 series with DX11 then as far as the mainstream goes then they missed the boat. depends what DX11 does though of course.
Those better cards sure look like they are going to make things interesting at the top end though, im still looking forward to the launch and seeing what they can do, just think i may sit this round out and wait for a refresh/ respin before i join in.

Mactronix

September 10th is most likely just a PR event. I am hearing second hand that the 24th may be a much more interesting date for those of us interested.

Been thinking about what youve said mac, but its going against the grains of everything Ive been reading, even come straight from ATI, in that this gen of cards has the most changes since the R600 series, so I guess if you consider that just a tack on with few improvements, and think the confidence in ATI and what theyve shown, is that most everyone doesnt want a much better perf, maybe youre right, but Im reading it all different

I dont know about you guys but I am excited, just because it seems this time ATI prepared a whole line of cards abroad the whole spectre. This will allow probably over 80% of new buyers to select card suiting their demand but with dx11 capability and that will be the real blow to nVidia with the launch of the Win 7.

Yes, sure the enthusiasts will be happy with the new radeons, mainstreams will be happy. Thats only 1 part of the story. The bigger more important for ati is continuing to grab share from nVidia while they are in the advantage point. nVidia can be hurt badly even for few months only as with every new Windows released there is a huge bump in sales. And Win 7 is the most anticipated since XP probably.

Can ATI turn the table - I think its possible. If they play their cards wisely, they can be the dictators in the next few years. But they should be carefull, noone even knows what is GT300 going to look like.

1600 SP comes as a sweet surprise for me as I didnt expected them to double the SPs. More than doubling the TMUs and ROPs also is a best case scenario. My expectance is 5870 to be about 2x perf or 4890 (may be even more in Dx11 titles).

if that is true, then we will see a HUGE jump in performance which will give developers room for more advanced , cool looking games in the future, and lets hope NEAR future