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July 27, 2009 8:41:03 AM

Hello everyone, i am planning on building this system around mid September. Its main use will be for gaming, and my goal is to be able to run Crysis on ultra high (CCC mod). My budget is $800 before taxes and shipping, and this is almost exactly that. This is what i came up with:
(oh, and please note, i already have Windows 7 Ultimate. thanks orbit30. :p )

Case: NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case [$69.99]
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W [$109.99]
Motherboard: Foxconn AM3 790GX ATX AMD Motherboard [$223.99 - Combo Deal w/ CPU]
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz [$223.99 - Combo Deal w/ CPU]
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB [$158.99]
DDR3 RAM [4x2GB]: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 SDRAM [x2] [$115.98]
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM [$59.99]
CD Drive: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD w/ Lightscribe [OEM] [$28.99]
(The CPU and Motherboard are part of a package with $70 off)

Here's the links (all from Newegg):
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146025
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186168
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675
CPU and Mobo Combo Package: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.212205
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433
DDR3 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395
CD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151188

Thanks for the input guys, let me know if you have any improvements, or I forgot anything.
July 27, 2009 9:17:08 AM

^ The components that you have chosen are good...but you wont need 750W for that setup of yours...A high quality 500W PSU can do the job...

And as you are planning for September, I would suggest you keep your options open for the CPU, Mobo...Reeason is that intel is launching mainstream Core i5 CPUs during September...So first check out its performance and then make the purchase...
http://www.slashgear.com/intel-core-i5-750-i7-860-and-i...

And a general suggestion - It would be better if you go with ATI cards with an AMD CPU because most of the mobos support crossfire and hence you can add one more card later...
If you go with nvidia cards, then you can only stick with single card configuration...
July 27, 2009 9:28:47 AM

ahh, but i have chosen that PSU for more headroom when it comes time to upgrade. also, i do not have any interest in SLI/Crossfire. and seeing as the CPU i have chosen does support HT, it is the more viable choice for my price point. Also, i doubt the i5's will overclock nearly as well as the AM3 chipset does, so that is why i have chosen it. oh, and would you guys believe that i am 13?
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July 27, 2009 9:42:54 AM

^ I feel you are overshooting the power requirements...

To give you an idea - People use that PSU for running an overclocked CPU + 2x GTX 275s/ HD 4890s + 2+ HDDs, DVD...

And looking that you don't have interest in SLI/ Crossfire, under any circumstances, your system's power consumption wont go over 500W...
Check for yourself...
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Choose the components and capacitor aging to 25%-30%...

And am not saying that the X4 945 is bad chip...but just saying that you can get better options...
and FYI, the 945 wont overclock so well as its Black Edition counterparts because of its locked multiplier...So you should either look at the X4 955/ X4 940(AM2+)...

And are you really 13 :p  ...
July 27, 2009 9:47:08 AM

And HT is supported by most of the AMD CPUs(Even the lower-end) It is just a company specific technology...
Same like intel's HT - Hyper-Threading...
I don't think you should take that as one of the main reasons to go with a CPU...
July 27, 2009 9:54:39 AM

oh, i know for a fact that i am overshooting the power requirements, but if i want to keep that PSU around for a while for future upgrades/builds, and i know that it is reliable. you are probably right. i couldnt decide to go AM3 or LGA 1366, but i think i might look into i5's now. when are they supposed to come out? oh, and i was just looking into SLI and Crossfire, and it might be an option for upgrading later on.

and yes, i am 13. look at my profile. i have the link to my myspace. [thats how you know im a kid. :p ]
July 27, 2009 10:18:20 AM

^ Hmm...still 750W is an overkill...and surely is for a 13yr old :p 

The i5s are coming out this September (most probably on 6Th)...

And yes SLI/ crossfires are good options if you want more performance...but in many situations, they are not that effective...So before going with those options, first check if they would be a worthy option...
July 27, 2009 10:23:57 AM

i have been looking and comparing i5 to AM3, and still think it is a more viable option for price - performance ratio. and seeing as i plan on building between september 9-16, i think that is too early to go out and buy the chip. i am the person that buys it months after it comes out. im not exactly an enthusiast. (can't afford to be one. :p )
July 27, 2009 10:55:17 AM

^ I am not saying you to buy the i5...And as for AM3, even I would say they are very good...
I said to wait till September because you can even expect much lower prices for higher spec CPUs and maybe even AMD might launch new ones...And as rule of the thumb, the older CPUs would get a price drop when newer CPUs are released...So you can expect the X4 955 for the price of the X4 945/ 940 or even lower...
July 27, 2009 11:02:47 AM

Yeah, this is exactly what im expecting to happen. haha. did you request me on myspace, or was that some random kid from montana?
July 27, 2009 11:15:53 AM

^ No...And am not a kid :p ...Am 24 Yrs old...
July 27, 2009 11:19:14 AM

haha, just wondering. dont usually get requests from people that are my age and live in montana at 4 in the morning. haha. and i didnt think you were a kid, but would you have thought that i was a kid if i didnt say that i was?
July 27, 2009 11:32:33 AM

^ Hmm...that is internet... You can easily hide yourself and show what you are not...
July 27, 2009 11:35:00 AM

I recommend going with DDR3 1600mhz. The cheapest ones go for about $75 and you can save $40 that way. That $40 can go towards an ATI HD 4890 ($200). That GPU competes with the Geforce GTX 275 and 285 and it smokes the 260. The 4890 also has some features of DX11, BUT does not have PhysX and CUDA that Nvidia offers. With DX11 cards to be released around September/October, you can also expect the prices of GPUs to drop. It might be better to delay the purchase of your system by a few weeks and save some money to buy extras like a nice headset.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Although it's not necessary for your system, I still recommend you get the 750W PSU. Remember it only works at around 80% efficiency at max, so it will provide 600W. On another note, I'm sure it's safe to say spending $100 on a 750W PSU is better than spending $50 for a 500W PSU then having to spend another $100+ on a higher wattage PSU in the future. That's just my two cents.

If you hadn't mentioned your age, you wouldn't have seemed like a 13 yr old, but because you did, you only reinforce that you are 13. I think it's great you're getting involved with something this "complex" at 13. I wouldn't have even comprehended all the strings attached to building a system at that age. [:lectrocrew:7]

**Edit: Oops my mistake, I didn't see that you are planning to buy 8GB of RAM. You aren't even going with an i7 build so you wouldn't even need 6GB of RAM. You honestly don't need more than 4GB of RAM if all you'll be doing is gaming and other basic applications.
July 27, 2009 11:35:17 AM

or show what i am, which is a 13 year old computer protege going into the 8th grade with all honors and a grade level ahead in math. haha.
July 27, 2009 11:47:21 AM

Let's keep this forum to computers and not c0ck measuring. :sarcastic:  It's great you're all honors, but high school and especially college is on a different scale from middle school.

**Edit: Also don't forget your thermal paste. You can just search up how to apply it to the CPU, but you'll need it. If you know about this already, then ignore this edit.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 27, 2009 8:15:52 PM

lol. this isnt my first time build, or my second. im just building one for my self this time, and i have the basics, like a 19" LCD, 5.1 Speakers, and i do have some arctic silver laying around, and i know how to apply it. :p 

oh, and the 8GB of RAM is for future proofing. I plan on keeping this PC for a while, and its really not that much more to get 8GB. i might however wait on that and get the other 4GB later. and i don't only do gaming, i do video editing and photo editing on the side for fun. (CS4 Master Collection) :D 
July 27, 2009 8:20:12 PM

just letting you know, the GTX 260 Superclocked does match up with the GTX 280 in many aspects, but i think i might just wait it out and let the prices drop. Either that, or step up program FTW.
July 27, 2009 8:23:22 PM

if you arent building until september the is no use in finding values now, with the 965 coming out soon hopefully and the i5's in september the entire pricing scheme is going to shift greatly. Also the HT on amd processors is hyper transport technology not hyper threading. Hyper transport serves the purpose of a FSB, hyperthreading creates a second logical core for each physical core, very different technology.
July 27, 2009 9:22:53 PM

ahh, now this is true. something i have overlooked. hyper threading sounds like it is very beneficial, is it really worth it though with a quad core CPU?
July 27, 2009 9:33:03 PM

depends what you are doing, if it supports 8 threads then yes, if what you are doing only supports 4 threads it can actually be detrimental because windows isnt good at assigning threads to the physical cores before the logical cores yet.
July 27, 2009 11:18:29 PM

Since I read your earlier post mentioning you do some video editing as such, maybe a more powerful system would be recommended for your needs...Straight gaming, you don't need to spend gobs of money for great performance...A $150 4870 will handle almost all games at high settings, and a Phenom II X2 550 dual core would perform quite competently for gaming since most games can't take advantage of more than two cores. If you are doing things like video editing however, especially CS4, then the extra two cores might serve you better. If it were me (and it is me, this summer), I'd go with the $100 Phenom II X2 and sink the cash I'd save from a high-end quad for a better graphics card...Like, say, a 4890? Definitely a kickass card and will last longer as newer games come out.

EDIT: Since I'm really budget-conscious with my gaming build, I will only be gaming @ 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD. If you don't plan on upgrading your monitor anytime soon, like me, a Radeon 4850 would probably perform quite competently at that res. A 4890's overkill for that resolution IMO.
July 27, 2009 11:55:34 PM

well, for what i found, that $215 CPU and mobo combo is a great deal, considering the phenominal price - performance ratio. (3Gz stock quad core AM3, which will OC to at least 3.6 easily, and the SLI/Crossfire mobo) i think that this is an incredible find, and i dont believe i will pass it up.

oh, and my LCD is 1600x1050 i believe. so yeah.. and i am not too big on the editing, but i know my choices would be more than sufficient for anything i throw at it.
July 29, 2009 8:34:29 PM

GX boards can't fully go 16x, so when you do SLI or Crossfire it will go down to 8x not that it will really affect your performance.

Btw, I found a nice combo, you'll get a better brand for your mobo, you'll get faster DDR3 RAM, and 1TB of HDD, instead of just 500GB.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
July 30, 2009 3:30:56 AM

kokin said:
GX boards can't fully go 16x, so when you do SLI or Crossfire it will go down to 8x not that it will really affect your performance.

Btw, I found a nice combo, you'll get a better brand for your mobo, you'll get faster DDR3 RAM, and 1TB of HDD, instead of just 500GB.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



NICE FIND! :D 
i definitely will take that into consideration.
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