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July 31, 2009 6:18:07 AM

Ok, I've really been going back and forth over a new build. First let me list my current specs:

AMD X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz AM2 socket
Biostar AM2/AM2+ mobo
4 Gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2
XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX
430w PSU ThermalTake


I've been considering a completely new build and passing the parts listed above down the line to my brother. I have around $700-800 for a CPU, MoBo, Memory, GPU, and PSU.

I'm considering either the Q9550 or the new AMD Phenom II X4 955. That decision right there is the start of my problems :pt1cable: 

I've had many friends/co-workers voice there opinion and most go with the Intel (They see the 12 Mb L2 and go bonkers). Benchmarks for the two are pretty much split and I don't have any plans to do a serious (if at all) OC as this will be a multi-purpose everyday machine. (Visual Studio/Blu-Ray machine/Gaming rig)

I hesitate to go with the Q9550 as it is a end of life socket type and I've made that mistake before. The AMD is right up my alley until I get to GPU choices: I'm a NVIDIA fanboy and every build I've ever made has been an AMD/NVIDIA combo. I would like to get the AMD 955 and whatever GTX card I can afford. If I do that, I lose the ability to SLI the cards and would have to rely on 1 super card to keep up to date instead of popping in a second card in the future for a (cheaper) shot in the arm. Is SLI such a big deal that I should go with the Intel or should I just get the AMD/NVIDIA combo and later down the road just replace the one video card with a beefier one? Should I be considering ATI and crossfire?

For 700-800 can anyone help me with the build? Again, I have everything except the CPU, MoBo, GPU, Memory, and PSU.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

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July 31, 2009 6:45:56 AM

@Rocket254 SLI/ Crossfire is only required if a single powerful card cannot offer satisfactory performance...
What is the resolution of your monitor?? Choosing the graphics card would depend on them...

And ATI recently have the best value for money components...So even choosing crossfire route would only benefit you if you feel the need for higher powered graphics....
July 31, 2009 6:47:33 AM

I will be running a 23" monitor at 1920 x 1080
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July 31, 2009 6:52:55 AM

For that resolution, a single GTX 275/ HD 4890 would be suffice to run the current games @ High settigns...But if you want the absolute best image quality with all the settings @ Max with full AA and AF, then a single card might not be suffice (For games such as the Crysis, GTA4,...)
July 31, 2009 6:57:17 AM

Would you recommend the AMD or Intel?
July 31, 2009 7:02:46 AM

^ Both the intel Q9550 and the X4 955 are similar in performance...So going with either would not be a problem (Though the X4 955 has a slight edge with regards to the newer socket)...

But with either of those, the crossfire is the only best option if you are considering multiple cards later on as the SLI scales well only on X58 mobos...
July 31, 2009 7:06:36 AM

But if you are planning to single beefier card at a time, then going with nvidia would not hurt at all...
July 31, 2009 7:09:03 AM

And is 700-800 you budget only for these components - CPU, MoBo, GPU, Memory, and PSU ??
And what will you be using the PC primarily for???
July 31, 2009 7:10:22 AM

maybe an amd build along this line? (from newegg)


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


XFX HD-487A-ZHFC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 $149
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
XFX GX260NADFF GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 $169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
XFX GX275XAHFF GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 $209
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 $194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...;cf0A0A0313=E6A29BF!SVJBUVxhbGV4YW5kZXIud2V0enN0ZWluOml3YTrZZUQBSfeb2IvYnBsEZx8N

2x mushkin HP 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...;cf0A0A0313=E6A3294!SVJBUVxhbGV4YW5kZXIud2V0enN0ZWluOml3YTrZZUQBSfeb2IvYnBsEZx8N
or
2x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



average between $663 - $739

i'm just a noobie to this stuff but i was on and thought that might give you some idea's from what my limited knowledge is based upon :( 

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July 31, 2009 7:17:34 AM

^ That is a very good setup...But I doubt he would require 8GB of RAM...4GB is more than suffice...

And if you check newegg, you could find very good combo deals...
July 31, 2009 7:17:36 AM

gkay09 said:
And is 700-800 you budget only for these components - CPU, MoBo, GPU, Memory, and PSU ??
And what will you be using the PC primarily for???



@gkay09 That is correct. I already have the case, HDDs, etc... Just need the components listed.

I will use the build for everyday use. Some internet browsing as well as watch Blu-Rays. I am not a super hardcore gamer as I don't have the time for it but I would like to do a fair amount of gaming and have great quality speed/graphics when I do.
July 31, 2009 7:21:40 AM

taking out one set of ram would lower it another say 70 - 80$ which then could either be used to buy a better single card gpu or even go for 2x 4870's in crossfire if you go amd route? Although i don't know if that would require a higher power supply or not
July 31, 2009 7:33:38 AM
July 31, 2009 7:52:16 AM

Is the performance increase with the 285 over the 275 not worth the price difference?
a b À AMD
July 31, 2009 3:43:09 PM

How much do you need a quad core cpu?
At a clock rate of 3.0 or better, the vga card is much more important for gaming than the cpu.
At that level, overclocking is good for bragging, but it will not net you as much increase
in FPS as a better vga card will. Today, very few games can make use of more than two cores.
Flight simulator X and supreme commander are exceptions. It is not a trivial matter to code multi threaded programs,
and game vendors will not sell too many games that require quads to run.
I don't see this changing in the next couple of years.

If you have software that is multi core enabled, or if you do lots of cpu intensive multitasking, then a quad might be appropriate.

For games, a duo at 3.0 you can get very satisfactory game play. Read this article, and see where you fit:
http://www.guru3d.com/category/vga_charts_graw_2_fuel_w...
The cpu used there was a E8400@3.0. My sense is that as little as a GTX260 would give you very good gameplay in most titles.

If you are not urgently in need of a new build, wait for the i3 and i5 cpu's coming out this fall. If you have the itch and need to scratch now, then consider the following budget for $700-$800:
cpu i7-920 $280
X58 mobo $200
6gb ddr3 ram $75
psu $80
GTX260-216 $150.
______________
total $ 785.

Or, you can go with a E8500 based system for about $200 less.

July 31, 2009 5:39:27 PM

I got an AMD 955 with ati 4870 and I can preety much play all games max settings, I also got my 955 to 3.7ghz, I could proly got higher than that but thers no reason though.
a b À AMD
July 31, 2009 8:11:00 PM

K1ash3r said:
I got an AMD 955 with ati 4870 and I can preety much play all games max settings, I also got my 955 to 3.7ghz, I could proly got higher than that but thers no reason though.

Out of curiosity, how well do you do with your cpu at stock 3.2?
July 31, 2009 9:12:52 PM

Lets say I go with the 955. Would anyone recommend me getting a single 275 and later on down the line replace it with a new DX11 card or should I go the ATI route, getting one card now and adding a second one later on in XFire?

Also (stupid question alert) What happens if you put a GTX295 in an AMD board?
a b À AMD
July 31, 2009 9:21:56 PM

Rocket254 said:
Lets say I go with the 955. Would anyone recommend me getting a single 275 and later on down the line replace it with a new DX11 card or should I go the ATI route, getting one card now and adding a second one later on in XFire?

Also (stupid question alert) What happens if you put a GTX295 in an AMD board?

It will run just fine.
Do not worry about DX11. By the time many games are coded to use it, the vga card will be obsolete.

Do not anguish about ATI vs. Nvidia. You generally get what you pay for. Think instead about what you want/need. If you can use one good card for starters, do that and see how you do. Graphics cards are easy to sell and upgrade. You lose some on the old card, but the new cards get cheaper and/or better.
July 31, 2009 9:38:18 PM

So the 295 will actually run in SLI on the AMD mobo?

Really?
August 2, 2009 4:22:10 AM

although this is a couple days old if you are still looking for an answer... Far as i understand it the gtx 295 multi gpu does the sli on the card so it only takes up one slot and does not need sli from the mobo. Now if you wanted to sli two gtx 295's then your mobo would need to support sli but thats a lot of overkill :p 
August 2, 2009 6:55:01 AM

Do you see the "2 GPUs on 1 card" trend continuing in the future? If so, I wont worry about going with AMD and losing SLI support. I'll just keep a 295 in there :bounce: 
August 2, 2009 7:00:45 AM

from the looks of it ati has put out more daul gpu cards than nvidia but it does seem both companies want to have the fastest single card out there so i'm sure they will in the future. Most of the ati cards though are only a few fps behind the nvidia one's it seems but are also a bit cheaper so your not really losing a lot even if you went with ati
August 6, 2009 9:00:05 AM

geofelt said:
Out of curiosity, how well do you do with your cpu at stock 3.2?


umm well not bad but I did get a 10fps increase in GTA when i overcloked from 3.2 to 3.7
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