So this is a question I have for the community. I have been a Nvidia man for all my life and never even glanced at Radeon. I recently looked at some Radeon cards and was in a state of shock for a minute as I looked at the specs, all of which were superior to Nvidia. The Radeon cards had a incredibly high number of "stream processing units" as compared to Nvidia's "stream processors" and the clocks were slightly higher as well on top of Radeon's DDR5 memory. Reality hit me then and I remembered that from all the comparisons of the two companies cards that for the most part they were on par with each being ahead and behind in certain aspects but at the surface it looks as though Radeon should blow Nvidia away but obviously this isn't true so my question is whats the truth. Is there a difference between "stream processing units" and "stream processors" and why is it with the specs of the Radeon cards are they on par with Nvidia. I'm sitting here thinking if Nvidia had those specs we would be blown away and then some. Any insight is greatly appreciated and please try to keep it unbiased.
the architecture of the two types of cards are completely different, there is no worth comparing clocks, or numbers of shaders... just simple they are straight up different, as different as ATI is red and nvidia is green. Its like comparing a muscle car to an asian import... US got the engine displacement, and the hondas got 12000 RPM... you cant look at those specs and compare them because there are just too many factors. This whole Mhz and, MB, and shaders can only be measured together, and thats the FPS you get on your screen... there is no use to wreck ur brains trying to figure which is better using that data, just look at benchmarks
i've been bouncing the companies for ever, because each one at one time suited my need and my budget....
this is in the chronological order Radeon 7000, Radeon 9250, Nvidia 7950gt, Nvidia 8400gt ( stop laughing, i had it for a week when my 7950 caught on fire), Radeon 4850, another Radeon 4850
Message edited by xc0mmiex on 08-21-2009 at 07:41:53 AM
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Agreed on what xc0mmiex said. Benchmarks are the real deal when comparing
performance. Also, try to gather as much info as possible from different sources. That
is, compare benchmarks from different sites, check the CPU and MBs they use, etc.
As youve seen in reviews, the arch and makeup favors certain games of each. Without a ton of tech info, it really comes down to that. In a perfect world, or a perfectly designed game for ATI, it would win out, almost no matter what, vs a comparable priced nVidia card, and vice versa.
Games are done in certain ways, ATI and nVidia each have their own approach, and The Way Its Meant To Be Played program has served nVidia well, as its kept them slightly ahead at times it shouldnt have, and ahead when they had the upper hand to begin with
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xc0mmiex hit it right on the nose. There is no way to compare the cards spces it comes down to testing them in the real world. Sometimes ATI wins and sometimes Nvidia wins.
Nvidia wins more often then ATI but ati always makes a very strong show and isn't usually to far behind but are always priced better. As I have stated on here many times before I think it is unreal that you can get 2 ati 4870 x2 cards for around the same price as 1 GTX 295.
Putting speed aside for one moment and going down a more vague and colloquial direction I've always found when I've owned a Radeon the ATI image quaility has always proven better then Nvidia's, colours just look more vibrant on Radeon cards then they do on the same Geforce equivalent.
Other differences to consider is the quality of after care you get from each of the respective partners. It's not unusual for Nvidia partners to offer life time warranties, step up programmes or double life time warranties with their products, where as ATI board partners until very recently gave you just the basic 1 year warranty (Nvidia has always given 2 year or 3 year depending on where you live in the world) but just recently I've noitced 2 years has become more of the norm with ATI boards now (seemed to co-inside with XFX's arrival on the ATI scene, looks like it gave everyone a kick up the backside).
The GDDR5 is a huge advantage for ATI, yes, but Nvidia makes up for it with the incredibly wide memory buses. As for stream processors, Nvidias are quite a bit more powerful (but also larger and more power hungry) than ATIs. On the whole though, the cards end up pretty comparable, with ATI having the better deal at most price points right now (though they don't have anything that can quite touch the 295 for the extreme high end).
The GDDR5 is a huge advantage for ATI, yes, but Nvidia makes up for it with the incredibly wide memory buses. As for stream processors, Nvidias are quite a bit more powerful (but also larger and more power hungry) than ATIs. On the whole though, the cards end up pretty comparable, with ATI having the better deal at most price points right now (though they don't have anything that can quite touch the 295 for the extreme high end).
From most reviews and benchmarks I have seen between the two they trade off blows but the 4890's in CF tend to pull ahead in the higher res With way they are always either within a few fps of eachother or in some cases the 295 will flatten the CF but this are usually when you have a game that is heavily biases to Nvidia.
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I think what cjl meant was a single card solution, and he is right, the closest you can get is the 4870x2.
I think the 4870 just changed graphics cards so much, forced nvidia to drop pricess drastically. I love their competition, makes life better for us end users
Message edited by meewog on 08-22-2009 at 09:28:44 AM
lets explain how ati an nvidia go bout making cards nvidia will build a limo an give it to you on the open road (bigger bus width slower memory moderate clocks) ati will will build you a ferrari an put you in traffic (smaller bus width faster memory an faster clocks) end of the day they end up covering the same distance but one is clearly slower an the other much faster but its those minor details wich change performance
4890CF beats the 295, yes. I was saying they don't have a single card that competes on the very high end though. I probably wouldn't buy a 295, personally, since a pair of lower end cards can beat it for less money, but it is pretty much unchallenged as the single fastest card available.
As for the analogy Obsidian86 had, I think a better one would be more like this:
You have 2 roads, one has 6 lanes and a 35mph limit, and one has 3 lanes and a 70mph limit. At the end of the day, they can both move roughly equal amounts of traffic. The 35mph 6 lane road is like Nvidia's solution, and the 3 lane 70mph road is like ATI - Nvidia can have more links at once, with less capability for any given link. ATI has faster links, but fewer of them.
Message edited by cjl on 08-22-2009 at 10:38:13 AM
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-Adopting newer tech faster/on time and normally before NVIDIA does (normally ATI tried harder to be more innovative with newer tech or coming up with something new) -normally offers decent/good performance cards at a lower price than NVIDIA (focus on best bang for buck or the sweet spot) -offer high-end multiple GPU solution at cheaper price than NVIDIA -Crossfire allows different card model to be crossfire -normally has good marketing brand names and less confusing in respect to NVIDIA
Disadvantages of ATI:
-normally doesn't offer fastest high end card as a single GPU card but as a multi GPU solution, thus risking to have micro-stuttering effect issue -normally has slightly slower single GPU card than NVIDIA -drivers are buggy (based on what many people had mentioned but I am not quite sure)
Advantages of NVIDIA:
-supporting game developers with (TWIMTBP) -having good drivers support -normally offers the fastest single GPU card than ATI (but much more expensive than ATI) -NVIDIA's high-end cards normally doesn't suffer from micro-stuttering effect since they are single GPU cards
Disadvantages of NVIDIA:
-adopting the newer tech slowly -tends to/depended on overclocking the next-gen card instead of using new tech, thus ended up rebranding the old architecture cards (not being innovative enough) -TWIMTBP program is sometimes for NVIDIA's political reason and could be seen as anti-competitive practice like refusing to adopt DX 10.1 in time or urging game devs to remove DX 10.1 from PC game Assassin's Creed to avoid rival ATI's DX 10.1 advantages. -the price of some cards are sometimes too expensive and would rip your wallet or doesn't have a good price/performance offer maybe due to failing to die shrinking the GPU. -confusing brand names that could mislead customers
These are some informations I normally heard but I don't guarantee how legitimate the informations I posted are. You are welcome to correct me if you think that I am wrong. I tried to be unbiased too....
Message edited by Techno-boy on 08-22-2009 at 01:52:34 PM