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August 1, 2009 12:55:06 PM

I am new to the Homebuilt PC thing and was recommended to do it by a friend. I am not exactly sure what I am doing or what parts I need but I have researched and selected a few. Any comments/tips would be greatly appreciated. To be honest, I am not even sure if the parts are 100% compatible with each other. I NEED HELP!

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=211053149&lis... - Video Card

http://www.infotechnow.com/product_info.php?products_id... - CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Hard Drive

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027VSS9K?tag=dynadat... - Network Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Cooling System

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Disc Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Sound Card

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August 1, 2009 1:03:53 PM

What do you want to do with this PC?

You've picked a lot of ridiculously expensive components.
August 1, 2009 1:27:25 PM

People are going to need to know some more info to get you the best PC they can
1.Price range you are willing to spend or can spend

2. Monitor rez 1680x1050 ect

3 what’s the PC going to be used

4 what parts you already have

5. Do you want to OC the CPU

6. Do you want or need SLI or Xfire
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August 1, 2009 1:31:29 PM

1. Can spend around 2k

2. Don't have a monitor

3. Lots of gaming, Video editing and etc.

4. None

5. Yes (I'm going to OC)

6. Umm I don't no. SLI?
August 1, 2009 1:52:41 PM

What size monitor would you like ? 22 24 mayhbe a 30 ?

SLI and Xfire is used to connect 2 GPU together to make them work together ( I would read up on it before making a descission on it )
anyways ATI uses xfire and nvidia is sli

If you have to have sli or xfire people need to know in order to pick the best mobo that fits

also it would help if you can tell us what stores you will be shopping. like is there a frys or microcenter buy you ? have any problems with newegg or tirgerdirect ect
August 1, 2009 2:29:53 PM

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151188
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment


(expand for options)

$28.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811119197
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


HDD Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
74.99 X 2 For raid 0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS VW246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824236049
Return Policy: Monitor Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

$219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 100269VXL Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102841
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$20.00 Instant $239.99
$219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817139006
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$60.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$179.99
$119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail
Item #: N82E16835186020
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$7.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227365
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$40.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate
$139.99
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131359
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$10.00 Instant $249.99
$239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115202
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
-$9.00 Instant $288.99
$279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Try Micro center its 200 there


Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835608007
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$71.99
Subtotal: $1,558.87

Here is a built to get you started ( note 2 HDD for raid 0 ) use the free win 7 then buy it when its out
I dont think you need that SC and NIC Card but if you do add them in still under 2K

And the CPU @ microcenter is 200 save some green if you have one close buy
August 1, 2009 6:43:15 PM

To be honest I've never heard of this microcenter. Thanks for the complete computer. (really helpful). I'm going to go with an SLI configuration if I do link CPUs in the future but I didn't think that the core i7s could link two. But I don't know.
August 1, 2009 6:49:47 PM

I'm going to be doing ALOT of visual affects on this computer so I'm wondering if there is a higher end video card that I can install. I am probably going to put in more than one and price isn't a HUGE issue. Soooo, any ideas?
August 2, 2009 12:25:29 AM

asuperjanitor said:
I'm going to be doing ALOT of visual affects on this computer so I'm wondering if there is a higher end video card that I can install. I am probably going to put in more than one and price isn't a HUGE issue. Soooo, any ideas?

If you want a more powerful video card then you could get the ATI Radeon 4870 X2 for 300+ dollars. It is quite expensive though or wait until directx 11 comes out.
August 2, 2009 1:46:01 AM

What about two Geforce GTX 275s? They were recommended by a friend. Made by ASUS I think.
August 2, 2009 2:07:05 AM

Yes those would work. I personally like nvidia better too...
August 2, 2009 11:05:58 AM

What about like cooling. Is a liquid cooling kit worth it at all or should I just by fans?
August 2, 2009 12:55:27 PM

It depends if you are going to do some heavy overclocking. I personally don't think you would need it because the core contact freezer should do.
August 2, 2009 1:54:35 PM

I think then liquid because I will definitely be overclocking this PC
August 2, 2009 2:36:58 PM

asuperjanitor said:
I think then liquid because I will definitely be overclocking this PC

Thats fine but it is expensive and you should check o

http://img149.yfrog.com/img149/7213/14y1fuq.gifut overshocked's overclocking.

He got 4.53 on air with core contact freezer at a stable speed but it is up to you.
August 2, 2009 2:38:09 PM

I just clicked on the link and it doesn't work... But check out an overclocking thread and there is a pic of his overclocking in his signature.
August 2, 2009 9:55:45 PM

asuperjanitor said:
To be honest I've never heard of this microcenter. Thanks for the complete computer. (really helpful). I'm going to go with an SLI configuration if I do link CPUs in the future but I didn't think that the core i7s could link two. But I don't know.

?????????? SLI links GPUs and NOT CPUs. What do you mean by "but I didn't think that the core i7s could link two. But I don't know"?
August 2, 2009 9:58:12 PM

asuperjanitor said:
I'm going to be doing ALOT of visual affects on this computer so I'm wondering if there is a higher end video card that I can install. I am probably going to put in more than one and price isn't a HUGE issue. Soooo, any ideas?

Are you talking about some thing like 3DSMax,MAYA,CS3/CS4? If so, you are more dependent on CPU, NOT GPU for those apps. You'll be fine with even a 9600GT for that kind of work (assuming you will limit gaming res,etc).
August 3, 2009 12:19:23 AM

Look, I'm new. I actually had never even thought of BUILDING a PC until two weeks ago so I'm still learning some stuff and some terms. Sorry for my lack of knowledge!
August 3, 2009 1:02:06 AM

^Sorry. I wasn't trying to be mean.

Few questions:
1. What software do you plan to run for your visual effect work?
2. What games?
August 3, 2009 1:09:10 AM

Shadow does have a good point, if your using the programs he listed you don't really need a powerful graphics card...
August 3, 2009 2:49:14 AM

^ Unless he plans to play Crysis on high of course :D 
August 3, 2009 2:54:13 AM

asuperjanitor said:
I think then liquid because I will definitely be overclocking this PC

Going Liquid cooling is not simple. It will be ~$250+ for just cooling the CPU. DO NOT get any kits from Thermaltake,etc. If you are trully intrested in going water cooling see:
Conumdrum said:
I'll just snip the whole thing, I just redid parts of it.

Us guys have done the WC thing, there are basics you gotta know. Take a look, don't take it as a diss on you or a rebuttal, look at as a friend saying "Dude, you gotta know what to say and how to communicate".
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CPU HS $65
GPU HS and air HS for vram and mosfets $95, full cover block, $100-$200
Radiator $60 min, up to $130
Pump $50 +
Resiviour $25
Hose, some barbs and clamps etc (min $25, more like $35)
Fans $15-30

I went top notch and spent close to $600 to cool my CPU and GPU.
First you gotta learn about WC. It's not like walking into Best Buy.
Spend a while (weeks is best for your sanity) at these links.
Look at the hundreds of loops close to your case and components in the stickies, read a couple 50 or so threads over the next week or so, you'll be on the ball to make the right choices and by then know how to put it together.
Not 'Roket Sience', but basic knowledge is required.
And you should spend a few hours on the listed sites reading threads. It's how we learn. Once the goodies show up on your doorstep your on your own.
For your benefit please spend a few days reading a LOT. At the busiest places for WC masters. Guys who have done it for YEARS at OC Forums and xtreme forums. It took me a while (I was OCing on air, aftermarket stuff, bios settings, best chipsets etc etc) to learn the language and the tricks to a easy install.

Don't expect miracles or SUPER DOOPER over clocks. What you will get is a quiet system that can handle OC to the max of your hardware IF you buy quality and buy smart. And minor maintenance too, a bonus for the water cooler.

Also while there please read on case mods etc. The radiators are not for small cases, pumps and hose routing, wire management and other things are important. Google your planned case and the word water-cooled in one line. You might get lucky.
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Edit: The next paragraph was from 2008. With the advent of the HOT i7 and bigger GPU's, it has changed. A 220 size MIN rad for an i7, you want big overclocks, better go 320 sized rad.
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IF you just cool your CPU and your NB if you want, you can get by with a 120.2 sized radiator (RAD). And MAYBE fit in inside depending on your mod skillz. You want to cool your GPU too, you'll need a 120.3 sized rad, and it probably won't fit inside. The rear external rad really works great. No matter what your adding 10lbs to your PC.

Once you got an idea of what is good/bad then start getting your system for WC put together and we'll be glad to help.
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Here is the poop on solid info on air/water temps. The link is to an MCR320.
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/Swifte...20-Review.html
Scroll half way down and you can see the in/out air diff on the chart. It depends, like I said on fannage what the out air temp vs. the in temp is.

You can also see the water in/out is very close in temps. No more than 1.5 C. Amazing eh? I thought so too once I deciphered the charts.

So if you put a second rad with good airflow, you still get good results. Fannage needs to be higher to compensate for the increased air restriction. Meaning double fans on the rad setup, but it's a viable solution.

Equilibrium (tough word) means with a set heat load (idle/load) after an amount of time temps in a WC loop will stabilize. The heat load is the same, ambient air is the same, fannage is the same, pumps are the same, size of rads are the same, temps will stabilize for those conditions. Any of these parameters change, it has to stabilize. …………………………………………………………
Cleaning a loop, not a new loop: I do this once a year, I drain and refill at 6 months, the next time I do this……..

Wash hands very well, getting rid of hand oils.
For pumps and blocks, fittings, clamps, acrylic res/block parts.... not hose, tear it to smallest pieces, put in a bowl, heat water up not to boiling add 10% vinegar, when hot, pour over parts. Rinse in 10 min or so. Put aside.
The bocks will probably have some black oxidation. Take the copper parts out of the pile of parts you took out of the water. Dry well and pour ketchup on them, and set aside. Only the copper parts need this.
Rad cleaning: fill with very almost boiling hot water. Let sit 10 minutes, drain half out and shake for 5 min. Repeat till liquid is clean.
All the pump, block, fittings, and clamps, inspect, get in the tiniest corners with a tooth brush. Kind of meditative, time consuming, you learn a lot about o-ring size, how it all feels. Run a rag using a caat hanger and dish soap through the tubing, rinse well.
Rinse all the parts and hose with distilled, dry then really dry with an air compressor (nice extra step to get rid of water spots). Don’t need to dry the inside of the hose.
Now on to the copper parts, they should have been soaking an hour or two. A toothbrush and ketchup should clean much of the oxidation. It probably won’t be like new, but pretty darn good. Rinse, dry, and blow the parts.
That’s it.
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Benching software and such is very varied. I use these for each purpose:
These are pretty standard and used by many.
Monitoring the PC temps overall: HWmonitor aka hardware monitor
CPUZ for CPU info
GPUZ for GPU info
CPU only: RealTemp
GPU only: ATI Tool, I have a Nivida GTX280, so it works on Nvidia

Loading/benching tools:
CPU loaders: Prime95 and OCCT
GPU Loaders: ATI Tool and the best one is Furmark, nothing pushes the GPU harder right now.
Benching for overall graphics/gaming performance is 3DMark06
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Guides
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... Pretty up to date info and buying guide
 verclocking-and-cooling&Itemid=86" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gilgameshreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten... Another good guide
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... What to do once all the stuff is in the door

Forums
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/ Decent site

Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22... More rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/ Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/ Test results, very technical


Stores
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252455-29-water-coole...


I highly recommend you stick with air for the first few months. Then read up on liquid cooling. It took me about 2-2.5 weeks of reading to do my first loop, and even then I was missing quite a bit of info that I learned quite recently (~6-9 months ago).
August 3, 2009 11:00:13 AM

Yeah. Thanks. I ain't advanced enough yet. And I will be doing ALOT of gaming as well so I def need good graphic cards. Thanks for the help though.
August 3, 2009 11:01:25 AM

I am not sure about what software because my friend is giving it to me.
August 3, 2009 1:16:15 PM

Yeah watercooling looks kinda tough but what do I know...
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