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August 1, 2009 9:22:28 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Mid August

BUDGET RANGE: under $1,000

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: GAMING! surfing the web and little movie watching

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, os, and maybe optical drive (dvd reader)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: i usually go for newegg, but if you find a better cheaper site its fine

PARTS PREFERENCES: since all my past computers had radeon, im willing to try a nvidia gpu since this game will be focus most in gaming

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, after i learn more about it SLI OR CROSSFIRE: no, for now

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x12000 would be nice

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: i have another computer that its mostly entertainment, and i want to focus this build on more gaming, and my budget its 1k so i want to maximize everything out of it

mobo:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$134.99

CPU: i need help on this, i was looking at q9550, but i read somewhere if its gaming a core duo should do but im not sure can someone enlighten me on this

CPU cooler: dunno if ill need one, if i go for a q9550 ill prob keep the stock one, but if im going for a duo one i might end up trying to overclock it so i might need a good cooler but we'll see

GPU:
EVGA 896-P3-1257-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$188.99

hd:
HITACHI 0A38016 1TB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99

case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$99.99

memory:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$54.99

for the os ill be using Vista 64bit that my bro has.
thats what i could come up with, im hoping you guys can shed some light on my build and help me maximize my budget to build a nice gaming rig

thanks for your time

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August 1, 2009 9:43:58 PM

I'd try to spec out an AMD 955 build, but newegg reset all the combo deals last night and it will take a week for them to repopulate. That being said, here's a few things to consider:

Intel socket 775 wont have any new products to upgrade to. An AMD AM3 based system with DDR3 has lots of upgrade life for a few years I think.

If you want to use and Nvidia card and have the option for SLI, you'll have to get a different mobo. AMD CPUs don't have good SLI boards available and the Intel CPUs need a nforce 750, 780, or 790 sli motherboard. Since you're not overclocking, they can work well enough. If you do overclock, these boards don't have the best reputation. This is the lowest level I'd go, and the 780s and 790s are more expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1920x1200 is a bit of a stretch for a 260 OC. The 275 is a better fit for that resolution. AMD can offer the 4870 1gb (just a little underpowered for 19x12) or the 4890.

If you do go AMD for the CPU and nvidia for the gpu, get a AMD 770 AM3 mobo.

If you want crossfire options with the AMD CPU, then a 790gx with a 4870 1gb is good performance/price options.

So I'd say go AMD AM3/DDR3 if you can, or wait till i5s are out and see what the prices do. Those will be able to SLI or Crossfire.
August 1, 2009 11:06:52 PM

skora thanks alot for your advice, right now im researching on AMD since you seem to be confident that i should take that route, by AMD AM3/DDR3 you mean like a AMD Phenom X4 Quad-Core? sorry for my ignorance im a computer noob and bearly know stuff about intel and nothing about AMD

once again thanks for you time
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August 1, 2009 11:32:52 PM

Yes, Skora is talking about an AMD Phenom II x4 build. Be sure it's II though.
August 1, 2009 11:47:10 PM

Yeah, build will look something like this:

CPU: AMD 955 x4 $$215

Mobo: MSI 770 AM3 $65 amir

GPU: GTX 275 $185-$210 amir

DDR3 4gigs: Gskill 1333 cas 7 1.5-1.6v $75

HSF: Sunbeam core contact freezer $25 amir

Case: Antec 900 $100

PSU: Corsair 650TX $90 amir

DVD Burner: $30

HDD: WD Caviar black 640 $75

Totals for upper end around $900. Combos should be able to shave some off too.
August 2, 2009 12:27:21 AM

aimlessnub said:
skora thanks alot for your advice, right now im researching on AMD since you seem to be confident that i should take that route, by AMD AM3/DDR3 you mean like a AMD Phenom X4 Quad-Core? sorry for my ignorance im a computer noob and bearly know stuff about intel and nothing about AMD

once again thanks for you time



AMD cpu/mb's are either AM3 or AM2

AM2 mb's use DDR2 ram and can accept AM2 OR AM3 cpu.

AM3 mb's use DDR3 and cannot be run with AM2 processors

Its a little confusing , but it does help people who already had AM2 mb's update their processors .

AM3 is the future . The best mb's have 790 series north bridge and 750 south bridge
The budget boards have 770 nb and 710 sb. Performance is similar but the 770 mb's have fewer expansion slots
The only AMD mb's that can SLI have nVidia chipsets . None of them are AM3 , since nVidia stopped selling mb chipsets before the AM3 platform was released .
790 series mb's support Crossfire though so its a smart option to chose an ATI gfx card with an AMD phenom if you want the potential of adding a second gfx card .

The Phenom quads and triple cores perform very well in gaming
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenom2_955/8.h...

Since these benchmarks AMD have released an AM3 version of the 940 which is called the 945 . You would also be looking at the 955 .
Combined with an ATI 4890 you'd get great performance with a 24 inch monitor
August 2, 2009 1:37:58 AM

Thanks jbakerlent, and special thanks to skora for the build layout and Outlander_04 for sharing your knowledge. I am definitely going for the AMD 955 x4 :D  The mobo that skora suggested (Mobo: MSI 770 AM3 $65 amir) not to sound spoiled but it seems kinda cheap, the reason why i think that way its becaused i heard that "you should spend good amount of money on the mobo since everything plugs into it". And those that mobo have the nVidia chipset? or thats only if im planning on SLI?

Outlander_04 thanks also for your advice on the ATI gpu but im trying to get a Nvidia card since i never expirienced one, and usually (my experience) find the hardcore gamers going for nvidia.

Thanks guys i REALLY appreciate your help
August 2, 2009 1:49:03 AM

its 6GB of DDR3 an overkill? if my build ends up less than my budget i might just crank the memory from 4gb to 6gb, but im not sure

skora, the hdd you suggested its a 640, the one i put in the beginning (HITACHI 0A38016 1TB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive) for the same price, im wondering why you suggested a WD HDD, its hitachi a bad company?

thanks
August 2, 2009 2:01:42 AM

a 2 x 2 gig dual channel RAM kit is right for the Phenom

Theres no advantage in games by using more



August 2, 2009 2:40:00 AM

You'll actually be at a dissadvantage running 6 gigs. To run in dual channel, you need the dimms paired off. Buying a 3x2gb kit makes all 3 run in single channel mode so you don't get the same bandwith you would in dual channel. And as Outlander is so very correct, current gaming doesn't use anywhere near 2.5-3 gigs (whats left over after vista is loaded.) 4 gigs dual channel is much faster than 6 gigs single channel.

That's fine that you'd rather grab a more rohbust mobo. I'm not going to judge you for valuing a higher level component than I am comfortable with. The 770 is a capable chipset, but the 790 is better. Since you are limited to a single GPU with nvidia, get the 790GX or 790X. The GPU will get x16 lanes since it is the only graphic card in there. No need to waste money on the FX.

I offered up the WD caviar black because it is one of the best performers out there right now for the price. If you can accept the lower capacity, its worth the performance boost. Most people won't come close to filling a 500gb unless they are torent happy. That and the WD black is a better quality HDD. 5 year warranty vs the 3 on the Hitachi.
August 2, 2009 3:07:20 AM

Thanks for the quick replies :D 

EVGA 896-P3-1170-AR GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$249.99
VS.
MSI N275GTX TwinFrozr OC GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$199.99

they are both GTX 275 video cards made by diff brands? thats a $50 difference that i could be spending on the mobo, i dont understand how can a GTX275 in prices

if im getting the cheaper GPU then ill prob get a better mobo like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
the 790x you talked about

dang my build got completely changed (which means i got to learn a lot)
August 2, 2009 3:09:33 AM

ooops now that i looked more carefully the mobo i put does not support DDR3... -_- noob mistake.. hmm gots to look at 790GX then
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